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  1. The big issue with these how to respond list is that they think we must always "assume god" in all of our conversations with believers. By "assuming god" we automatically lose. They automatically get to control the arguement. They will always be able to come up with some sort of apologetics, or spin to support their beilef set against whatever we choose to present. It is just not productive, nor worrh the effort. Instead, make them justify their god concept to you....and shoot down the logical fallacies like ducks at an arcade when they send them your way. Never ever cede the burden of proof for nothing in return.
  2. No magic book got me to the point of understanding the process. It was my cognitive processes, examining my life experiences, those of others, and the response patterns of these folks; bouncing the responses off of fact and reality, and reprocessing it all over again. It was exhausting. But, I got "there" after a few years. Now, my mind is very much at peace with it all.
  3. I tire of the "something from nothing" argument. How does anyone know that a state of "nothing" has occurred? The evidence before us strongly suggests there always has be "something". So the state of "nothing" is not provable. It has to been assumed. We should not allow it to be thrown out on the table as an obvious fact.
  4. In the week after I processed the self posed questions of "What if God is imaginary? What would this imply for the people around me and the how/why they interact the way they do" I feverishly researched online to see if others had a similar revelation. During this feverish search I ran across the "Why does god not heal amputees" website". I completed the deconstruction process five days previously, now fully understanding that god did not exist (I had dismissed bible god four years prior). But, this site was the first to hit my brain with the thought "Oh my! It is so clear and obvious. How could I of been sooooo stupid to fall for all of this. How could I stay stuck in this crap for 25 adult years?" This, in turn, sent me on a much longer search to answer the "why did/does this happen to me and others?" question, which Fuego is so well versed and articulate in. I now am confident I have a firm grasp on most all of the processes that lead folks to a state of being programmed/indoctrinated. I like being at this place in my knowledge.
  5. Thanks again for your almost always well thought out and spot on thoughts. I am quite thrilled that maybe I have this observed quasi contradiction figured out. I have been bothered for some time why my response to deconstruction was so immediate, and different, than so many others. What you are saying makes a lot of sense. It is the trauma, real and remembered, that generates the anxiety. For me, removing my religious programming was an action that firewalled off most all of the trama. There is nothing else in my life, sans religious advertising/social media, insisting I relive and reprocess their abusive mental garbage. Few childhood memories, out side of Sunday School, to reprocess. And, most importantly, no family interjecting along the way, one of the few bonuses that comes from losing all immediate birth family at only age 45. It makes sense. I am open to all discussion on this, confirming or noncomfirming. Eight years without anxiety whatsoever. Life is so much better.
  6. For a long time, close to 8 years now, I have been trying to reconcile my personal experience of a complete, and immediately, elimination of an adult life of medically controlled anxiety at deconversion versus the continued anxiety I read from soooo many who have rejected faith. I think, maybe, I have found a possible explanation. My dad was an agnostic. He used to tell me he prayed to god everynight "just in case he was there", yet he also railed against the church hypocrites. Unfortunately, for me, i ended up in Sunday school...."free babysitting", followed by indoctrination by fundys as a young adult. So, today, it occurred to me while reading a parent vs child testimony on another ex-christian site that maybe my anxiety disappeared as I had no family reinforcing the anxiety once I deconverted.....but these others folks, still dealing with anxiety, have actual and/or past programming from being raised in a family fully consumption by the church mindfuck. It haughts them in ways that do not impact me Does this sound reasonable? Is this the explanation I have been seeking for so long? Your thoughts are greatly valued. Thank you so much.
  7. Agree. Tells us little about them. Except, that they are dislussional. Very very dislussional.
  8. We don't exist. Then we do exist. Then we don't exist. Given we are all held to facts above, expressing and executing empathy for our fellow travelers stuck with the same finite reality would seem to be a very high, and worthy, purpose.
  9. Amway ambushes! Man, I forgot about the four times I was lied to in my Fundy 20's and ended up at one of these.
  10. Maybe it is the competition, such as r/exchristian
  11. Your entire list is sooo relatable to me. But, this one was the hook that kept me around for soooo long. Twice I got on my knees, in tears, "knowing" only sincere specific prayer was answered. Both times these prayers were "answered" in very direct, and prompt ways, via sources and people far removed from the church. The unlikelihood of it all dominated my mental operating system for almost 20 years. It was my personal "proof" of god. It kept me tethered to the cult in the face of soooo much conflucting data/evidence. Such a strong hook too. Damn hard to move on when one's young adult social set is in place. I still have a few pieces of my old social set in my life. But, I was lucky that we got hooked up with a non believing couple in our early 30s over youth baseball. They were are contrary example to the cult. They blew us away. They exhibited all ofvthe "good stuff", without any of the disengenious judgment and manipulation. Now they, and two other couples with a mutual interest in camping, make up our core relationships. And, it all is sooooo much better. Would be perfect if I could delete the religion triggers stuck in my mind.
  12. After reading, I am not seeing how the responses you have received are flawed.
  13. Delete your profile, an anonymous profile? Who does that benefit?
  14. So encouraging. I wish him well.
  15. Yes. And the quicker you get completely this point, the more content happy years you will have. Don't recommend following my example by waiting until you are 50.
  16. I am willing to be your wingman, if so desired.
  17. Yes, faith is never based upon a blind nothingness. It is based on indoctrination, programming, and wishful thinking. Yes, it has an object. The folks the brainwashing, or our own cognitive dissonance and/or existential anxiety. It takes experiencing both sides of this coin to completely comprehend.
  18. No more tolerating these creeps. You are paying the freight for this service. Stop them onsentence one or two, and escort them out of the room. No discussion. Make them go.
  19. No. Witnessed "Karma" looks more like "regression to the mean" to me.
  20. So sorry for your loss and the reflective pain and emotions you are going through. I lost my last parent and my last sibling 14 years ago when I was 45. I can honestly assure you that timing passing helps. Regard the things we carry, it is a awful choice that soooo many folks choose. Adding "things undone"; we all can effort to uncarry these burdens. I have been working hard on this. Now my carry list is very small.
  21. Hyper, as the former Treasurer of a 200 member church, less than 10% gave 10%. It was especially true of the adult lay leaders who preached tithing. A significant part of my history that created a significant amount of cognitive dissonance.
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