Daffodil

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    Leaving religious family

    Wow, I totally came out all preachy, there, lol. Sorry!
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    Leaving religious family

    You're in the right place, because we've all been where you are now, and some of us have yet to "come out" to our loved ones. It's ok. What I told Samuel is the same for you. It's not your fault that they have allowed a fantasy to take over their thoughts and feelings, and it's not your fault if they are "hurt" by your disbelief. They have done that to themselves. Love them as any child should love their parents, but be gently firm in your resolve. The more logical and unemotional you are when you tell them, the less they will be able to guilt you or manipulate you. I don't know your situation or how fundamentalist your parents are, but the deeper they are in beliefs, the more likely they are to react strongly and try to guilt you. My mother isn't a fundamentalist, but even she threw some whoppers at me. Just be matter-of-fact about it and refuse to be drawn into a debate about any of it. Maybe you enjoy debate, but I would suggest that with family and all the emotions that tend to be involved, debate really isn't a great idea. Just keep telling them that you just don't believe it anymore and you hope that they can respect your lack of belief and know that this does not change how you feel about them.
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    Leaving religious family

    Baby steps are still steps. Keep your eyes open and trust your instincts. If it sounds like BS, it probably is. And you don't have to live her life, nor do you owe her your allegiance to her faith. You are your own person and your own health and sanity should be your focus. Family, especially heavily indoctrinated family, can be very manipulative. If you feel you are being manipulated, step away from them. Don't let guilt get to you. She did her job getting you to adulthood. That doesn't give her the right to dictate how you live your adulthood. Clearly, your brain fights against indoctrination, so go with it!
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    Trip to Rome

    Never been outside the US, but love to watch videos of other people giving ideas and what to think about. My understanding is that Europe as a whole has been inundated with tourists because of cheaper airfare, rewards credit cards, the economic improvement of the Chinese, etc. so the typical tourist sites are overcrowded and unpleasant. If I ever get across the pond, I plan to go to lesser known areas and maybe stay in an AIRBnb situation away from the hotels and such. Here's one site you might check: https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/11-hidden-gems-in-rome-even-the-locals-dont-know-about/ I also hear that pick pockets are rampant and have all kinds of creative ways to get to your valuables, so be extra wary and read up on that.
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    God cannot be judged by human standards

    Want to shut them down? Try this: You’re right! I can’t judge something that does not exist.
  6. It is annoying that in times of need, often the most helpful/attentive are Christians. They shower you with food and sympathy, and it just feels really nice to be cared for during those times. I've often wondered what would happen now that we're out, if one of us got cancer or died. Outside of family, would anyone notice or care?
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    Actually, according to his version of the story, he is “quite willing” to use whatever pronouns an individual wants him to use, he just does not think the university or any other entity should force him to do so. He has said that on several occasions and I agree with him on that note.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    This may be more simplistic than it is, but I still think the best way to instill it is to just keep using the Golden Rule. If you wouldn't want it done to you, don't do it to anyone else! Except for the extreme sociopaths and psychopaths, I think that pretty much covers it. Also, can we refute some of these darn fallacies, please? I mean, if you say you are a Christ Follower and you proceed to do the exact opposite of everything he ever said to do, you are NOT a true Christ Follower! Sheesh!
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    Jordan Peterson - The Problem With Atheism

    You're welcome! 😀
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    They're so interested because he is somewhat on the side of the alt-right, and they are looking for intelligent people they can quote. I say "somewhat" because he denies some of the things that can be easily inferred from what he has said. It is one of the things that I find most irritating about him. How many times have I heard him say, "Oh, but I didn't say that!" and then go off on another word salad.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    Maybe the problem IS that he is highly intelligent and learned. Maybe he's just drunk his own KoolAid.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    This is what I don't get about JP. He's highly intelligent and learned. He must know that secular humanists exist and do good without any prompting from a higher power. How can he insist that without that higher power, we would all turn into self-centered pricks? Surely he is not swayed by the fear factor? And he has demonstrated his willingness to step well outside the comforts of the "in" group. I just don't get him.
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    Jordan Peterson - The Problem With Atheism

    Nobody Nobody No Yes Yes
  14. Ultimately it doesn't really matter. He's covering all the bases at the end of his life. Sucks for the rest of us atheists that he did this publicly, but it doesn't prove or disprove anything and I bet he's not the first to do this.
  15. You would think the Vatican would have done something about this a long time ago considering how much time and effort it took to keep hiding it for so long . . . http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/13/church-commissioned-report-german-catholic-priests-abused-more-than-3600-kids/
  16. There's always New Age Spiritualism. I think Oprah is a fan.
  17. Maybe, but change really is in the air. These investigations are spreading across the globe, children are a much more sympathy-inducing population than adult women harmed by the church, and the internet has succeeded in teaching the newest generations not to trust everything their elders tell them. Though I know religion will likely never completely die because of what you mentioned, I do believe it is becoming more and more marginalized every day. But then I am an eternal optimist with pragmatic tendencies and a realist bent 😉.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Have you thought about doing the DNA testing? I am really curious about that, but haven't done it because it makes me a little nervous about a corporation having that data on me. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid, but I really would be curious to know. We have traced one side of the family back to the 1700s and they are French and English. The other side is at least partly English, but my maternal great-grandfather was adopted, so we don't even have a surname we can trace for him.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Missions minded groups have switched from forced conversions to "carrot" conversions. Oh, you don't have any clean water to drink? You don't have a home anymore? Your children are starving? Well, come let us teach you about our god and jesus and sin and such and we will give you those things. And while we are at it, we'll take your precious children who you struggle to provide for, put school uniforms on them, and indoctrinate them so they become good little adult Christians (I'm talking to you, Compassion Int.!).
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Gawd I hope not! Just think for a moment what kinds of things could be classified as “indoctrination”. Who gets to decide what is “indoctrination”? Despite the damage this stuff causes, beware the unintended consequences of laws.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    Let it become a steamroller across the states! After awhile, any state that does not initiate an investigation is going to become suspect for collusion.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    No offense, but are you saying anything to counteract this indoctrination? As their father, if you are actually living with them (I don't know your domestic situation), I would be taking every possible opportunity to throw a few logic wrenches into their crazy ideas. It doesn't even have to be very obvious. Just ask thoughtful questions such as, "So what makes for a 'real' Christian?" "If you can't see inside her mind, how do you know what your friend really believes? After all, Christianity is about faith, not works, so how can you know?" Just get them to think a little bit in a way they're not currently doing. Again, I don't know your domestic situation or whether you are "out" to your family, but it seems to me that rather than insulting your young impressionable children, you should be actively trying to minimize the damage their mother is doing to them and giving them at least a chance at a life outside of the insanity. And even if they are teenagers, they are still impressionable. So do some impressing!
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    Didn't see that one coming...

    Fuego, that's a beautiful way to put it!
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    I didn't mean to imply anything abnormal about homosexuality, was just trying to make the syntax a bit simpler. You may be right, though. The catholic church has always found homosexuality to be abnormal/sinful and anyone steeped in that religion would likely have some serious psychological issues with sexuality. Heck, people with hetero inclinations would have psychological issues with all the "sex is dirty and to be done ONLY for procreation" crap they teach.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    I disagree but have no research to back it up. I just can't see how a young man of 16 who would have completely normal interests in the opposite sex would grow into an older man who has completely abnormal interests in 8-year-old boys. Perhaps it's more of a situation where the teenager has abnormal interests already, is very religious and thinks becoming a priest will help him control those urges, only to find that they were not controlled so much as suppressed and things suppressed always find a way to resurface. I don't know, of course, but would also be really interested in the psychology of these predator priests.