Daffodil

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  1. You would think the Vatican would have done something about this a long time ago considering how much time and effort it took to keep hiding it for so long . . . http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/13/church-commissioned-report-german-catholic-priests-abused-more-than-3600-kids/
  2. There's always New Age Spiritualism. I think Oprah is a fan.
  3. Maybe, but change really is in the air. These investigations are spreading across the globe, children are a much more sympathy-inducing population than adult women harmed by the church, and the internet has succeeded in teaching the newest generations not to trust everything their elders tell them. Though I know religion will likely never completely die because of what you mentioned, I do believe it is becoming more and more marginalized every day. But then I am an eternal optimist with pragmatic tendencies and a realist bent 😉.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Have you thought about doing the DNA testing? I am really curious about that, but haven't done it because it makes me a little nervous about a corporation having that data on me. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid, but I really would be curious to know. We have traced one side of the family back to the 1700s and they are French and English. The other side is at least partly English, but my maternal great-grandfather was adopted, so we don't even have a surname we can trace for him.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Missions minded groups have switched from forced conversions to "carrot" conversions. Oh, you don't have any clean water to drink? You don't have a home anymore? Your children are starving? Well, come let us teach you about our god and jesus and sin and such and we will give you those things. And while we are at it, we'll take your precious children who you struggle to provide for, put school uniforms on them, and indoctrinate them so they become good little adult Christians (I'm talking to you, Compassion Int.!).
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    Gawd I hope not! Just think for a moment what kinds of things could be classified as “indoctrination”. Who gets to decide what is “indoctrination”? Despite the damage this stuff causes, beware the unintended consequences of laws.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    Let it become a steamroller across the states! After awhile, any state that does not initiate an investigation is going to become suspect for collusion.
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    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    No offense, but are you saying anything to counteract this indoctrination? As their father, if you are actually living with them (I don't know your domestic situation), I would be taking every possible opportunity to throw a few logic wrenches into their crazy ideas. It doesn't even have to be very obvious. Just ask thoughtful questions such as, "So what makes for a 'real' Christian?" "If you can't see inside her mind, how do you know what your friend really believes? After all, Christianity is about faith, not works, so how can you know?" Just get them to think a little bit in a way they're not currently doing. Again, I don't know your domestic situation or whether you are "out" to your family, but it seems to me that rather than insulting your young impressionable children, you should be actively trying to minimize the damage their mother is doing to them and giving them at least a chance at a life outside of the insanity. And even if they are teenagers, they are still impressionable. So do some impressing!
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    Didn't see that one coming...

    Fuego, that's a beautiful way to put it!
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    I didn't mean to imply anything abnormal about homosexuality, was just trying to make the syntax a bit simpler. You may be right, though. The catholic church has always found homosexuality to be abnormal/sinful and anyone steeped in that religion would likely have some serious psychological issues with sexuality. Heck, people with hetero inclinations would have psychological issues with all the "sex is dirty and to be done ONLY for procreation" crap they teach.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    I disagree but have no research to back it up. I just can't see how a young man of 16 who would have completely normal interests in the opposite sex would grow into an older man who has completely abnormal interests in 8-year-old boys. Perhaps it's more of a situation where the teenager has abnormal interests already, is very religious and thinks becoming a priest will help him control those urges, only to find that they were not controlled so much as suppressed and things suppressed always find a way to resurface. I don't know, of course, but would also be really interested in the psychology of these predator priests.
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    Advice?

    I had a similar thing happen to me a few months ago. Old college friend who we used to support as a missionary took a break from missions work and is now apparently starting up again. Hadn't heard from him in years. Then suddenly he sends an email asking how things are going and have I heard from this or that person (people we went to college with), and we should get together and reminisce. I responded in a friendly manner, telling him about our lives the last few years. Next email from him was the pitch. "Hey, I'm starting a new missions position and wondered if you all might be interested in joining our support team?" After a fairly long response in my first email to him, my second response was just two lines. "I'm sorry, but we are not interested in supporting anyone. Thanks for thinking of us." He quickly bounced back apologizing and hoping this would not damage our friendship. I rolled my eyes because not having heard from them in years, how is it that we still have a friendship? I chose not to respond again and have not heard from him since. It really does get easier as you get older and more at ease with yourself. At my age, I just don't give a f*** anymore, though I will always be cordial and respectful.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    This is what makes no sense to me - the idea that allowing priests to marry would fix this problem. Riiiiiight. All those sick men who prey on kids would suddenly stop with relief and say, "Whew! Now I can have sex with my wife and never feel the need to molest a child again!" Complete BS! This religion attracts pedophiles because they can hide who they are. Out in the real world, people look askance at 45 year old men who have never married or had girlfriends or boyfriends, and everyone assumes (whether fair or not) that there is something "questionable" about that. If they are priests, no one bats an eye. They get paid to be the center of attention, practically worshiped, and have parents happily offering their children to them believing they are a good influence! It's the perfect occupation for a pedophile!
  14. Confidentiality is definitely part of the problem, but there is actually a whole web of issues making this a perfect storm for abuse. First, the belief that no sin is any worse than any other. So lying, gluttony, rape, coveting, using the Lord's name in vain, murder, stealing, etc. are all equal in their eyes, so equally forgivable. Second, the belief that God will forgive any sin and "erase" it from existence. Third, that repentance can "cure" any sin. Fourth, that prayer actually works and changes both people and God's mind. Fifth, that God can "change hearts" and make people "good", preventing them from ever committing the sin again. It's just a perfectly formed system for propagating evil, ironically! I can do almost anything the world would look down on, confess and ask forgiveness, do a little penance, everyone will think I am "all better", then go do the bad thing again and start the vicious cycle over again. What could be better for someone who is naturally inclined to doing evil, illegal things?
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    Are Christians more materialistic than atheists?

    Whether Christian or not, I think it depends on what you expose yourself to, and what you value in life. Once we gave up commercial TV and stopped buying magazines, we stopped wanting everything we saw. The kids even had difficulty thinking of things they wanted for Christmas and birthdays! And I think some people do find their self-worth in the things they surround themselves with and the people they associate with. If they work/party with people that drive brand new cars and live in big houses and take expensive vacations, they will likely want or think they need those things to be fulfilled. My husband is blue-collar (police) and we have never been car people, so we always get 2-year-old cars and then drive them for 10 years or until they cost too much to maintain. We also never felt the need or desire to impress other people. I don't know. Maybe it's a personality thing to some extent.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    Pray, fast, ask for forgiveness to your heart's content. Unless you DO something to make amends and stop the continuing abuses, your precious religion will disappear at a faster and faster rate until it is all but forgotten. After all, if there were 300 abusing priests and 1,000+ victims at just ONE diocese, what is happening at all the others!?! Oh wait, just saw this: http://click1.mail.patheos.com/jfrqhdrnvmkwhrdbwtshtwzqqqwnfptvspvfjmsbtnmmnr_vgmpgyryp.html Yup, it's time to expose this beast for what it is.
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    Canceled Dinner Engagement

    I'm surprised they're meeting at a place that serves <gasp!> alcohol! What kind of backsliding fake christians are these!?!
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    Are Christians more materialistic than atheists?

    Agreed, but aren't there different kinds of science, as well? There is the science that is testable, such as physics, and then there is the science that is not exactly testable, but more based on pure observation, such as Egyptology. Apart from carbon dating, what other testing is done in the sciences of ancient peoples? It's almost entirely conjecture. That's not to lessen its significance or trustworthiness, but it's one of the less "solid" sciences and therefore more open to complete reversal of formerly held assumptions. ETA: Ooops, I thought I was responding in the other thread about ancient building techniques. Sorry! Feel free to disregard!
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    Wow

    The list of countries I will never visit just gets longer and longer.
  20. How is this school getting state funding!?! The rules don't concern me. All private schools have silly rules like that. The father should have read the rules and known what was coming, but a religious school getting taxpayer money!?!
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    So is his reputation, that started to be promoted the moment he was chosen, a product of a propaganda blitz? It seemed that he was ticking off a number of people at the Vatican when he started out and was impressing the pants off of progressive Catholics. Was it all an elaborate ruse to distract from issues with the previous pope? I'm feeling more and more that there is something very suspicious about him.
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    300 "Predator Priests" / Grand Jury Report

    The shocking thing to me is why so many Catholics continue to attend Mass and call themselves Catholic. And protestants are not immune to pedophilia. More and more denominations are waking up to their own scandals, they just are not organized under one massive umbrella like Catholicism, so they can't hide it as well. I thought Pope Francis was this wonderful, truly humble, progressive figurehead who was going to help Catholicism regain some dignity? Has he said a word about this yet? Does he care?
  23. Nice try, Mormons. Changing your name will not make the world forget what you are.
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    Creepy

    Forget pooping, what about sex? Masturbating? Just watching the sex scenes in R-rated movies!? The thought of him always watching me messed me up too, and not even just in those issues. If I passed a homeless person asking for a handout and did not stop, I would instantly feel guilty, thinking that God watched me just pass by someone in need and not help. It really is a mindf---.
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    Are Christians more materialistic than atheists?

    I think that any time you associate with others on a regular basis, you tend to compare yourselves to each other. Since you see the same people in church every Sunday and are invited into homes for small groups and such, it's easy to get a little envious of what other people have. It also makes it easier to justify having a lot of material things when you see people you look up to with a lot of "stuff". There is also tons of Christian trinkets and decor advertised everywhere. I remember going into some homes and seeing Christian "markers" all over the walls - sayings, plaques, picture frames, etc. For some, the more Christian paraphernalia you have, the more "spiritual" you are. There is definitely the perception that if you have wealth and health, you are blessed by god. When I got into minimalism, I was still a Christian, though already in the process of deconverting. I scoured the internet for inspiration and though there were a very few Christian folks advocating it, most were clearly secular.