JenniferG

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About JenniferG

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    Wherever I go, there I am. I'll be relocating to beautiful Vancouver Island. I'm going on a permanent vacation!
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    writing, reading, fascinated by Science, enjoy cooking gourmet food as well as growing herbs. I travel a lot.
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    It took me almost 60 years to liberate my brain from religious indoctrination. I am married, mother of 2 and grandmother of 5 gorgeous grand girls and one adorable grand boy. I am an author, writer and writing workshop instructor. I'm glad I found this site!

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  1. JenniferG

    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    In the later 80s I attended a Southern Baptist church in Savannah, GA, as a guest. Most of the congregation was white. I was with my husband and my beautiful East Indian friend. (I am brown-skinned too) After the service, Brother Bubba Baptist, donning a lavender blazer, came over to us to "welcome" us. After asking us where we were from, he said that he had always been partial to dark skinned people (in foreign far-flung lands where he had been a missionary). Talk about making me feel like a piece of chicken! "What part of the chicken would you like, Brother?" "Oh, I'll have the drumstick - I've always been partial to dark meat!" Christians say the darndest things!
  2. JenniferG

    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    No, they get spooked when a sheeple dares to challenge their faith, their holy book and their whole house of cards. They'd rather circle their wagons, gossip, pity the poor wife whose husband had grown horns and turned into the devil. That's how my former Xtian brain would have perceived the situation. "Oh let's pray and pray and pray for brother L.B. - he'll return to the fold." Baa-baa!
  3. JenniferG

    My Tongue Is Sore From All The Biting.

    It's horrible to imprison a child's mind like that. I'm still traumatized by PTSD earworms of those inane Sunday School songs that randomly pop up when I'm minding my own business: "The B I B L E, yes that's the book for me I love to hear the stories of the B I B L E" My heart was black as sin Until the Savior came in His precious blood I know Has washed me white as snow For in his book I'm to-oh-old The streets are paved with go-oh-old A wonderful, wonderful day He took my sins away Also, there was one I learned in South Africa as a child: "The most precious book is the Bible The most precious book is the Bible If you read it every day You'll always be safe (on your way) Yes, the most precious book is the Bible. (This is translated from Afrikaans - so that it doesn't quite rhyme well in prose) P.S. How much more beautiful would my mind have been if I had memorized Shakespeare, and the works and thoughts of other great writers and minds than the archaic crap I was forced to do. We had to memorize The Lord's Prayer and a few Psalms in the public school when Religion was included in the curriculum. Thank goodness I didn't learn science till High School although they taught neither Creationism nor Evolution - just a splattering of chemistry and the usual High School experiments of the day. I'm so glad I can contribute scientific thought to my grandchildren when they talk about god. (Their parents are nominal Catholic believers.)
  4. JenniferG

    New Here

    Welcome Jenn. One of our members wrote this book about what it was like to be a Mormon. It's really well written. I enjoyed the read. It's called "A Danger to God Himself" https://amzn.to/2LoGdpS
  5. JenniferG

    Is it normal?

    My deconversion took place when I attended my last Easter service 4 years ago when I could no longer stand the abuse of the pastor telling the congregation how wicked, sinful and disobedient we collectively were, falling short of god's grace and favour. I came away from church feeling shitty about myself every Sunday. That Easter, I had simply had enough. Also Christopher Hitchens' quote about God CREATING us sick and DEMANDING us to get well, was the proverbial nail in the coffin. I read Hitchens, Dawkins, Barker, Ehrman, Richard Carrier, Valerie Tarico and Marlene Winnell. After that Sunday I declared myself an atheist and I felt really free and relieved that I didn't have to pray, say grace before a meal, read the bible or go to church ever again! Check out Marlene's website: http://marlenewinell.net/recovery-religion I also highly recommend Marlene Winnell's book, Leaving the Fold https://amzn.to/2wg1aO4
  6. JenniferG

    Video: What Happens When You Die?

    You're not capable of caring or catching on that you're dead because you're the function of your brain. When your brain dies and you're buried or cremated, you cease to exist. What is it Jesus who said about life being fleeting? Consider the flower in the field. It is there one moment and the next it is gone "and it's place knows it no more."
  7. JenniferG

    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Toe the line as in drawing a line in the sand with your toe, I presume. Must Google it to confirm.
  8. JenniferG

    HOW I RESPONDED TO A CHRISTIAN FRIEND

    Yes, it's very liberating to be free to be oneself. To belong to oneself and claim one's own goodness. It's liberating to be free of bowing and scraping and perpetually begging for forgiveness and living with perpetual fear of pissing off an invisible god. Christianity sure messes up your mind.
  9. JenniferG

    HOW I RESPONDED TO A CHRISTIAN FRIEND

    "I am sorry you feel I am judgemental we are all judgemental at times" What kind of apology is this?? She's sorry I feel she's judgmental, but she's going to continue to be judgmental (if we continue our friendship.) "We have been friends for 25 years and have spoke about many things, I thought? I did notice that the sign off was without the love this time does this means its over for you? No need to be rude or nasty because we disagree. I don't give up my friends that easily, Christian or not, I have many friends that are not christians and we get along just fine. Hopefully our friendship can continue. love, always!" In her book it's NOT rude and nasty to be judgmental. But it is when I speak my truth. I didn't sign off "with love" because I didn't feel love for her. But of course she takes the moral high ground and hits me with her unconditional LOVE ALWAYS (of god, no doubt) I've always known her to be manipulative, controlling and judgmental. This friendship is over!
  10. My response to her is in blue. Dear Jennifer, Dear Brenda, We're doing some sight-seeing on beautiful VI before we move into our house on August 16! Too much moving! Here's my response to your reply: I have long suspected your departure from Christianiy. Oh, you've kept a judgmental eye on me, did you? What gave me away? Not walking the walk and talking the talk anymore, eh? I will continue to love you and be your friend but of course the dymanic will change because my life belongs to CHRIST. As you know my conversations will always include HIM.Gets a bit tedious, don't you think, when there are other disciplines to talk about such as science, religion, history of religion, art, literature, culinary art, sociology, archaeology, travel, movies, etc. etc. I am not indoctrinated as you suggest, When you're told that the bible is the infallible word of God, you're indoctrinated When you're told if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour, you'll go to hell, you're indoctrinated When you're told you have to go to church Sunday after Sunday for more indoctrination, you're indoctrinated When you're told you can only study the bible within the confines of the bible, you're indoctrinated When you're told you can't use reason, logic and modern scientific evidence to test your beliefs, you're indoctrinated When you're told to use your brain is to sell your soul to the devil, you're indoctrinated When you believe in mythical beings such as Yahwh, Jesus, The Holy Ghost, Satan, Zeus, Apollo, Thor and the gazillion man-created gods that have existed since time immemorial, you're indoctrinated When you're told you're special and favoured by god and others are not, you're indoctrinated I can remember when I had my conversion experience, it was real and I always say there wasn't a Baptist around when it happen, there was no religious person around to tell me what to do or how to do it. Likewise, there was no atheist around to tell me that the bible was cobbled together by ancient, superstitious old MEN who had little knowledge of science. (They relied on superstitions, myths and fables to make sense of how the world worked.) In fact, I used Jesus' own exhortation - "Seek and you will find..." I sought with all my heart and mind and found out that Fundamentalist Christianity is a bunch of nasty, contradictory crock as are all religions. I did not even know what really happened to me but when I cried out to GOD and told HIM to help me and I would do anything including giving HIM my life, He took it at that time and changed me. I could not have done this by myself that is how I KNOW THIS IS REAL!!!! Yes you could have done it by yourself. Thousands of people do (who have never even heard of the Christian god). Most who seek the help of therapists/psychologist/ psychiatrists find that it's not the professionals who actually help them, per se, but by connecting them to a healthy cognitive understanding of themselves, they can find that inner strength and understanding in order to bring about positive change in their lives. I am not sure if I ever told you about my conversion but maybe someday you would let me tell you. Only if I'm allowed to tell you of my deconversion. I am sorry that you have been exposed to a form of christianity that has dissolutioned you. It didn't only disillusion me, it was downright toxic and psychologically unhealthy! The bible teachings about personal unworthiness - not to mention sexism, racism, homophobia, condoning incest, condoning rape, condoning slavery and child sacrifice opened my eyes to see what a horrible religion Christianity is. I read the bible cover to cover for over 50 years! In my searching, I read it without the pastors telling me to ignore the horrendous parts and indoctrinate myself on the good parts.We are all fallible and do things to hurt one another that is why we strive for perfect but will not attain it until we see HIM face to face and He changes us. Thank goodness I don't have to strive for perfection anymore! I'm free to be me - warts and all. Perfectionism is a psychological flaw that more often than not leads to anxiety, panic attacks and depression. I know you have heard this all before because you have sat in the pews of many churches but I fear HE did not convert you. And how would YOU know, Brenda? You went along with the form of religion for whatever reason and you never really belonged to HIM. And YOU know this because you and God are as thick as thieves and God REVEALED this to you? It is not something that you decide but it is what GOD decides to do to you. Yeah, god does horrible stuff to people! You have no choice in the matter. So if I have no choice in the matter, why bother to seek him then? Of course you can stray away and be angry for a time but HE will never let you be alone. Wait, you're contradicting yourself. You just said "you never really belonged to HIM" Thank goodness, I don't BELONG to anyone anymore. I am free at last. Why do you assume I'm angry? I'm the most peaceful I've ever been in my life! And why would "HE never let me be alone" when I never really belonged to him? I suspect you never had a true conversion experience, this is not being judgemental this is just the truth. Yes, it IS fucking judgmental! Meaning you're a better person than me! (Well at least in your and your god's eyes) We can even fool ourselves that we are Christians, So how do you know that you're not fooling yourself? and I have have come in contact with several people that introduced themselfs as Christian and for all intended purposes they look on the outside like they were, but I sensed that there was something wrong, So what did you sense that was WRONG? I didn't talk the talk and walk the walk, like perfect Brenda did - was that it? I don't blame you, Brenda, because that's what Christianity and other religions do to their followers - makes them smug and judgmental. I regret the fact that I was once like that. As a matter of fact, I am a much better, more honest person now than when I was a Christian. I did not say anything of course took them at thier word and years later they did have a conversion and were born again. You cannot explain this to someone who has not experienced it. What about 1 Peter3:15 "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." When I buy a car, I don't only want to SEE only the shiny metal exterior. I want the salesperson or mechanic to let me see what's under the hood and EXPLAIN to me how the engine and all the parts work before I buy the car. Same it is with FAITH. Otherwise it will be BLIND faith and you can end up with a crock. ( I CAN explain my deconversion to you because it's based on logic and reason, but I suspect you'll refuse to listen because your bible says " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11: 1) Hope and faith are NOT EVIDENCE. When I was a Christian, I always thought that scripture was so profound. It sounded nice - but I had no idea what it REALLY meant, but I went along with the pastor's babble, because it made me feel good. I know! I swallowed that stuff hook, line and sinker. I was born and baptized into it. There are many who say LORD, LORD but He has said I never knew you.There will always be a remnet. The word is remnant. So you're part of the remnant, Brenda? Oh, no, wait a minute, you're part of God's IN-crowd! You and all the other Fundamentalists/Evangelicals whom "HE CHOSE". From my experience it is usually the Atheist that take up and run from the friendship. In my experience it's the Christian that takes up and runs because "How can light associate with darkness now, isn't that so? As far as Christians are concerned, Atheists are these nasty Enemies and Haters of god, not so? That's what I was indoctrinated with regarding atheists. Christians typically spout that kind of propaganda to demonize atheists. It's been going on for millennia. In Medieval times atheists were burned at the stake. So much for a loving god and those who do his bidding! I am stronger than that because my strength comes from GOD. So to your disappointment I'm not in the least disappointed. I'm totally neutral. I am SO much STRONGER because I believe in ME! I am not running any where, I do hope our friendship will continue and you do not put limitations on it like our conversations that will include the most important person to me, JESUS. Excuse me, but you're the one putting limitations on future conversations by saying that you'll be talking about Jesus. So long as you don't get pissed off when I debunk the Jesus and the Christianity myth. I love you and I hope we have many more good times together now that you are closer in distance. Please call me anytime, looking forward to what is next with our friendship. Yeah, time will tell how the friendship evolves, eh? Stay well, J. love, Brenda Dear Jennifer, You never did tell me what city you have moved to on the Island? send your address, later send pictures ,where are you staying now? Will you also be exploring the main land? do do want help from me to unpack or maybe once you are settled I can go over on the Island I can go to see your new place like I have at other places? still remember my trip thought it was too short to Mobile AL. You have had such an exciting adventurous life with all your moves, though it is harder as we age as I know. I am sorry you feel I am judgemental we are all judgemental at times.I really do not want to argue for fight about this difference we have in our opinion. We have been friends for 25 years and have spoke about many things, I thought? I did notice that the sign off was without the love this time does this means its over for you? No need to be rude or nasty because we disagree. I don't give up my friends that easily, Christian or not, I have many friends that are not christians and we get along just fine. Hopefully our friendship can continue. love, always! MY RESPONSE: "I am sorry you feel I am judgemental we are all judgemental at times" I think it's rude and arrogant of you to take the moral high ground and judge me. That's the ugliness of Fundamentalist Christianity that I'm so glad I'm unshackled from. I am very mindful to NOT judge people. "I really do not want to argue for fight about this difference we have in our opinion." I don't want to fight, but in a friendship I look to having open discourse about ideas and not a one-track topic conversation about "My boyfriend, Jesus, with whom I'm SO in love." Thanks for your offer to help unpack, but we're really okay in that regard. Have a great summer! J.
  11. JenniferG

    How Do I respond to Christian Friend?

    Is she EVER a control freak! Her poor husband is like a whipped puppy dog - I feel sorry for him
  12. JenniferG

    How Do I respond to Christian Friend?

    Oh boy, IS SHE EVER NON-FUN to be around!!
  13. JenniferG

    How Do I respond to Christian Friend?

    Thanks for that, Daffodil. I dare say she will say she has special knowledge and favour from her God because of how he saved her when she cried out to him for help when her life was shitty and he changed her instantly - without any christian witnessing to her. So she KNOWS for sure that her god, particularly Jesus is very real to her. I do intend to "hammer her insanity back to her." 😀
  14. JenniferG

    How Do I respond to Christian Friend?

    "It's easier to let these types of friendships die a natural death, move on and find meaningful ones to replace them." Totally agree.
  15. JenniferG

    How Do I respond to Christian Friend?

    Haven't heard that one! Lol