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  1. I would be inclined to utilize the situation to present an alternative concept and admonish my child that she/he knows that those books are collections of fairly-tales frequently used by controlling rulers to exploit the masses. I would do this loudly and clearly as the "gift" is presented so that all may hear.
  2. Nope. And the reason is once I embraced science and reality to explain the world relying on religion is, clearly, a major step backwards. No offense to those who are "into" other religions and can get something out of them - as long as it harms no one.
  3. I keep mine in a drawer because there are so many notes in the margins. Notes like "WTF???" So...so many WTF's.
  4. Kudos to you for coming forward and getting that off you chest, @Jace. I was apprehensive about coming out to my wife and, yes, it was emotional. But things smoothed out over a few weeks. Two + years into it things are back to normal....most of the time. But I sure feel much better for being honest. Now when ANYONE asked why I don't goto church I simply sate that I am an atheist. To quote Tony the Tiger (sorta), Feels grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
  5. Hey @Myrkhoos, Sorry you're felling icky. We've all been there. You are going through the struggle that, unfortunately, is just part of eschewing mind-control. Brain washing, if you will. This is perfectly normal and things WILL get better. I've been were you are and, the more you realize that xianity is a man-made enterprise, the less you will fear Hell, judgement and Fundy-ass family members. It takes time to de-program just as it took time to program in the first place. Your brain evolved this way because, apparently, this is the best means of survival. This way the brain does not have to cope with everything that comes at it - just the important (repeated) stuff. Keep visiting here and reading/posting. And hit those books suggested here as well - both from members and from the advertisements here and there. @webmdave put them there, not just for the site's survival, but because they have value. Reach out to us.
  6. Welcome to the forums, @Tricia556. Kudos to you for having the strength and courage to extract yourself from the mind-control. Finding like-minded people certainly helps with the deprogramming. My take on this is that humans are social animals who rely on others for all sorts of things - validation begin one of them. Even a screem'n introvert like me must admit this at some level. Welcome again and hope to hear more from you. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  7. Welcome to Ex-C, @Luke6188. Regarding the anthology that you put together (are putting together?)? Have you presented it to your fams? I'm interested in their responses as attempts to introduce concepts from Carrier, Hitchens, Hawkins, Minwel et al to family members have led me to the conclusion that folks have to be questioning already to really appreciate enlightenment on that level. Perhaps the mere mention will cause them to question - down the road. Fodder for another topic, that. Welcome again and hope to hear more from you. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  8. @TinMan, You post containing the video of people having experiences that made them turn back to (or to for the first time) Christianity, and now this post where an author is informing those who are in the process of enlightening themselves of why they are falling and and how to stop it and turn it around, make me think you your whole purpose for posting on this site is to bring us breath'n heath'ns back to xanity. True?
  9. @TinMan, 1. Those people are convinced they actually had a real encounter because they had very vivid dreams. That can happen for all sorts of reasons from fever to drugs to being overly tired or stressed about something. 2. You keep having doubt because you keep thinking about Hell. STOP IT! The scare goes away. Really. 3. The xitan doctrine goes from "just believe in jebus" to "oh but there's WORKS too" to "well you aren't saved unless you speak in tongues" to ???? That's for the purpose of jacking with and controlling the masses. And those two things, my friend, are what religions are all about. Now, to bed with you...and don't let the bed bugs give you any personal tours...
  10. Some folks are so dog-maned emotional and hopelessly narcissistic at the same time that they are prime candidates for the cult-think. Some of them are even quite logical and rational in other aspects of their lives. Not all, or even most, but many. Take Mrs. MOHO for example. As a top-rated paralegal who did all of the law and motion work for one of Orange County's most successful law firms, her ability to apply the law and see through bullshit is uncanny. However, the diluted jebus speak is so incredibly impactful on her that she morphs into an evangelical nightmarish humanoid - right before my eyes! On a regular basis! One minute we're talking politics and home-improvement and then the topic comes up and we have to part company for a few hours. The transformation is truly shocking. And with that I do believe that we have successfully and completely hijacked this thread from the original poster. So, @Mothernature, have you told Mr. Nature that he is simply bat-shit crazy and he should get professional help? I have told Mrs. MOHO just that, a few times, and the response is something along the lines of actually considering what I said. Sometimes a slap in the face (I mean that figuratively - not directly - of course) is good medicine!
  11. Yes. If they READ, keep an open mind and, oh yeah, read something OTHER than the Bible, then enlightenment will ensue. This is encouraging news, @jupiter789!
  12. Good thing there are no instances of insane leaders actually doing any harm in the world. </sarc>
  13. here 'ya go, @Rickswordfish, https://icebreakerideas.com/telephone-game/
  14. MOHO

    Hello all!

    Welcome to Ex-C, @WillT. Looking forward to your extimony. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  15. @Xtina, I signed up for the crazy 20+ years ago whilst dating Mrs. MOHO. It wasn't too awful as, at the time, she was not an over-the-top, in-your-face, totally controlled by Jesus, proselytizing Xtian. But now she is. OK, there are weeks when it's bad and weeks when she just goes to church on Sunday. But the God Virus is there to stay and it influences her decision making process which, in turn, negatively impacts our life together. The most annoying/harmful is the hopee, prayee thing instead of taking the reins and implementing a solution to problems. It has been my personal experience that the fundies that give God/Jesus credit for overcoming their addiction(s) are the most obnoxious and least likely to recover from their new found addiction. After all - they have daily support from the rest of the crazy crowd. If you are not religious then beat it! I know 9 years is a lot to throw away but do you really want to wait another 9 years only to watch him stay in the crazy? Do you really have time left in your life to throw some of it away when you could find a non-religious person to enjoy THIS life with? - MOHO (Mind Of HIs Own)
  16. It was my personal observation when I was attending services that folks did not seem to be too overly concerned with lyrics. They had a certain proclivity for morphing the meaning into what made sense to them at the time. I wonder where THAT comes from!
  17. It's not. Been there. Rejected that. (both) It is puzzling, @Geezer, how xtians flat-out reject Mormonism but remain steadfast to their own crazy-ass beliefs. I had to set Mrs. MOHO straight last week on the fact that Mormons believe in the same Bible as xitans - they just have another book that refutes, confuses, contradicts (yeah..I know), overrules, and generally relegates both the old and new testicles to also-ran status. Fundies: "Mormons can't be God!" "Only Jesus can be God!" MOHO: "How can Jesus be God?" Fundies: "Because he's God's son!" MOHO: "So are we...according to the Mormon doctrine." Fundies: "Mormon doctrine is made up!" MOHO: "And xiantiy is..." Fundies: "Stop it!" "Shut up!" "It's in the Bible!" "Read the Bible!" "Get behind me, Satan!" Of course, with Mrs. MOHO, serious nastiness and general hate ensues. I'm sure this is fueled by fear and I told her as much in our last convo.
  18. The religious mindset. The political party mindset. The, seemingly, human mindset of us-against-them. It's a constant effort to avoid falling into those traps and I suspect most of us do, a little bit, each and every day. But yes, the religious indoctrination is very much one of control and manipulation which relies heavily on group-think. Black and White. You are either all-in or all-out.
  19. Welcome @NuckChorris. Glad you found Ex-C. That's quite an "extimony" there and much of it is echoed throughout this site. You are not alone. That's a huge step - revealing your unbelief - and requires a great deal of courage for most of us. When I came out (twice) I was certain that divorce would be the eventual result. Nope. As far as pretending to speak in tongues goes I have no doubt that all of those who do so are very much aware that they are pretending. Pastor ass-hat did this to me a few short years ago when I confessed my difficulty with faith. It really creeped me out and served as a catalyst for formulating even more doubt and prompted me to research the origins of Christianity - outside of faith based sources. Congrats on your throwing off the chains of indoctrination and hope to hear more from you. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  20. Welcome, @formerpk_biblebelt. Glad you found us and congrats on thinking your way out of the mind-control! Getting over the fear of Hell. This took time and realizing that the is a man-made concept. Gagging when people say "God Bless you" "Praise God" (this one is still in progress and Mrs. MOHO uses those phrases regularly.) Journey Free website and Dr. Marlene Winell's book Leaving the Fold. Other books by Hitchens, Carrier, Dawkins, Ehrman, and Fitzgerald. This web site and the myriad of helpful, caring folks I have "met" here. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  21. Hey @BlindFaith, Finding/building a new social fabric is a toughy when one spouse is still a completely indoctrinated, over-the-top, no other life than Jebus, in-your-face, obnoxious funday-ass! (Where did THAT come from? ) I'm not social myself but Mrs. MOHO is the social director and she, her adult son from a previous marriage, his entire family, and a few Jesus freaky folk comprise the all of it. DougTucky co. OR is the Bible Belt of the Pacific Northwest and it's hard to avoid them here too. I think I'll just watch this thread and see if I can pick something up too.
  22. but, yeah, getting back to Hell. Obviously, the definition of Hell, and even it's very existence, mutated over time not due to further revelations from God, but because it became useful to keep the sheeple in the fold and further manipulate them.
  23. "Religions and beliefs change over time." This is because they are the absolute, inerrant, word of God who, despite being perfect, changes his position over time because he did not get his position correct he first time. Or the second time, or... Poppycock. (I was unaware that flowers had... ) Anyway I experienced this first hand growing up LDS. We were told that blacks could not hold the priesthood because they farged up, royally, in the "pre-existence". Eventually they discontinued this racist practice as the world is an ever changing place and holding steadfast to these beliefs would do nothing to foster conversion from the black community. They explained the change, however, as enough blacks having been born and deceased that the glut of evil soles had now been purged. Yes all blacks, from now on, were OK!. Lest anyone get the wrong impression - I am not stating the Mormonism is wrong because it allows blacks in the priesthood but, rather, because it changed it's interpretation of scripture, and it's bylaws, due to human events - not God's supposed word.
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