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  1. In addition, and according to Mr. Hawkins (he's the one that learned Greek so he could read the "Dead Sea Scrolls", yes?) sections of the Bible were redacted for hundreds of years. Try as I may to get xtians to listen to the actual origins of the book and the fact that large sections were changed years after the original authoring they will NOT listen. Don't want to know, they.
  2. Indeed, sir. and the standard excuse is that people did not know how to write in those days. We have accurate accounts of the eruption of mt. Vesuvius in 79AD which would have been 40 or so years later, however. Amazing how much those folks learned about journalism in such a short period of time, eh?
  3. Sounds like you need to fix this at your present company, @Simone, so you'll have a favorable reputation if you find yourself in the job market. Here in the states companies are only supposed to validate employment dates now. This can be gotten around, however. I know because I do this on a regular basis hiring techs and coders for my department. I manage to get to the employee's former direct report (manager) and even some co-workers. If I really feel I will value a perspective employee and there was bad blood with a former company I will confront the applicant and ask them how they feel about the criticism. If they are sorry and understand how their behavior impacted their old company then I'm good. If they bitch and moan and blame blame blame then we're NOT good. I really feel you can fix this and that your boss will appreciate the effort.
  4. Hey, @decafaholic! Welcome back. Spirituality. Too deep for THIS dime-store cowboy but I cannot honestly deny it's existence. I like your narratives and sense of humor. Hope to read more from you... - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  5. Guilt or embarrassment? Hey, we all got sucked into that garbage and did some stuff we regret - so don't' feel alone or stupid or too uncomfortable. The others gave some good advise and I'm sure that when you speak with those you proselytized to and explain that you were under the effects of the indoctrination you will all have a good laugh. I think people generally understand how powerful mind-control techniques can be - especially when they have been refined for years and years. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  6. So, is this an admission that faith is useless and that it is actually action that has value?
  7. Cheaper too. Especially when the "enemy" owns half of your stuff.
  8. Welcome to the forums, @confused00. Glad you fund us. Most of us here experienced the "Oh my GOD! What have I done!" Initially after proclaiming our doubt or outright rejection of the doctrine. That fear goes away over time but it does take some time as your brain has been "trained" to think one way for years. It takes time to "re-wire" your brain. This is why indoctrination is to powerful and why indoctrinating little children is so abusive. I don't know if you have ever been exposed to network marketing but that's were a salesman gets a commission from each sale from each new salesman he brings to the company. This way his income grows and grows. Christianity is much like that. The church and it's leaders very much desire money and power and a growing church provides more of those things. Knowing this the focus of most Christian entities is on evangelizing. That is also why the doctrine state that you MUST bring more people to Christianity in order to by "saved" from the eternal torture that the religion created in the first place. Fear is humanities most powerful emotion and is exploited by a number of clergy, politicians, leaders, and corporate managers. Now that you know this we want you to get out there and spread this web site to all of your friends and family. If you fail in this task we will force you to watch Fast and Furious on Blue ray.
  9. Hey @Dandilion. Honesty is the best policy - with the exception of our dear old mum on her death bed. I went to church with Mrs. MOHO for a couple hears after deconverting and not telling anyone. I could stand, no more one day, sitting there listening to the rapid-fire bullshit and becoming more aware of my frowny face and wrinkled brow. I finally realized I was sending a silent signal to all around me that I was not in control of my life...and quit. Mrs. MOHO, instead of asking for a divorce, simply stated that she questioned my faith all along. When I asked if she questioned hers and, if so, why, the fecal matter slammed headlong into the Sears and Roebuck 18" oscillator. This was, much to my surprise and delight, the only fallout. I happily enjoy my Sunday AM's now with her at church and me at home. My marriage is strong. She still sends emails with church crap and when I reply I get yelled at but that's about it. We hang out with Christian friends because I like them - and they me. I realize I have focused your thread on myself but only to illustrate to you and any non-member readers that outcomes are seldom as bad as we anticipate and it is most often better to be forth-coming. If your fams annoy you over this then simply spend less time around them. They'll get it. They'll back off. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  10. I don't believe there is a concept of pay taxes OR pray as far as any legitimate religion goes. The Bible clearly indicates paying taxes (and tithing by the way) are commanded. I'm too lazy to lookup the passages but they are easily found on the Interwebs.
  11. Stupid that they did not realize that the Bible instructs the sheeple to pay taxes and obey rulers and lawmakers. Selfish that they don't realize their taxes pay for the services they use. Most states or countries demand too much $$ but not paying taxes altogether is not the best approach. So, did they really expect the taxman to rollover and are they truly earnest in their beliefs or did they just make a feeble-minded attempt at bullshiting the courts?
  12. I hadn't thought about that aspect, @FreeFromGuilt. Good point and prudent to point that out to those contemplating coming out.
  13. Thank you for posting your extimoney, @FreeFromGuilt. I think that it is really swell that your hubby admitted his lack of faith when you opened up to him about yours. Readers should be advised that heir actual mileage may very, like it did for me, but this is very encouraging and I wonder how many families would have a similar revelation if one member should choose to start the dominoes. Kudos to you for thinking your way out of the mind-control. That takes courage and, frequently, tenacity!
  14. Correct. So many xtians, when I point out the fact that the xtian church was violent - especially with respect to Muslims during the Crusades, I get the reply "THAT was the Catholic church! Those people are NOT Christians!" Of course, being the instigator that I am, I point out that, since belief that Christ is/was the Messiah makes one a Christian, that so are the Mormons. This particular approach frequently results in blown head gaskets. Good clean fun!
  15. No! No! No! That was the Catholic church you silly goose!
  16. Yup. That's whey I cringe when the fundy fams get to preaching and saying "praise the lord" or "praise god" or "You're not walking with the lord" or a host of other diatribes. That's why it's a tall order sometimes to just live and let live. You know - just tolerate them. Anyway, that was a lot of work, @Steviejay! is that post all of your own words? I mean besides the bible quotes?
  17. MOHO


    Well WE like you a lot, @Tsathoggua9! When I was young, grade-school age, I regarded hell and the devil as cartoons and not real. But after going full-on fundy in the early 2000's I began to have anxiety over the potential legitimacy of hell. Being the type that always analyzes everything I quickly came to the conclusion that this part the the doctrine was strong indication that it was added to the books at some point in order to solidify the grip that the mind-control had/has on people. Fear is our strongest emotion and fire is our greatest fear so...
  18. Welcome, @GrandmaDeeDee. Nice to meet you and it's good to have a talented writer on board. Hope you stick around and read/write more.
  19. It is quite disturbing to listen to Mrs. MOHO's ( okay their mine too) friends doing the group-think gig surrounding Covid, vaccines, and large band-with services. They get themselves worked into a tizzy but when I pull one aside they calm right down and begin to think. I have never been a joiner so, even though I sometimes find myself getting sucked in just a little, I find it both interesting and scary to watch this phenomenon. At least my lovely wife takes the time to do research on these conspiracies. There's some confirmation bias but at least she's researching. I hope this become a trend that influences here entire life.
  20. Welcome to Ex-C, @wombat17. I like to think we are a good source of support and marginal advice. Kidding. There are some smart folks here. Good plan to seek employment that will allow you to provide for yourself before pushing back against the indoctrination and the cult. I notice your interests are hanging out with friends and gaming. Is that conducive to achieving your goal? Would career guidance counseling and education be more helpful engagements? Welcome again and I hope you stick around and read/post some more. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  21. Under-developed, unsophisticated little minds like mine or going to require some splain'n here.
  22. Hmmmmmmm... You mean like associating, or tacking on, a belief in a deity to really uplifting, happy, upbeat music? Kinda like Pavlov's dogs?
  23. Well then, @Steviejay, if one takes the word of the Bible literally, then your assertion makes a whole lot of sense. To torture someone for eternity for simply coming to a conclusion, based on what we know and that said conclusion is out of our control, certainly is the most horrific, senseless, narcissistic, and psychopathic concept that the human mind can possible conceive. Definitely a view into the minds of the pricks that wrote some of those books, eh? And when this concept is pressed to the believers they almost always respond with "God does not send anyone to Hell. They send themselves there." Or God does not send anyone to Hell it just happens" or "No, Satan sends you to Hell." or "God did not create Hell - Satan did." But the most compelling and disturbing response is the one I received from Mrs. MOHO once. "If you don't believe in God and Jesus then you deserve to go to Hell!"
  24. Yup. Mrs. MOHO "studies" the Bible by relying ONLY on those study books that not only direct the reader to certain scripture but interpret it for her. MOHO: "Why don't your just read the Bible from start to finish. You can even make it easy on yourself by starting in Mathew." Mrs. MOHO: "I AM READING THE BIBLE!" MOHO: "k"
  25. I have been present when conversations of this type have taken place between the sheeple and pastor ass-hat. His response is that this passage/concept is taken too literally and the term "marriage" is used conceptually. I'm not sure what concept he meant. The concept of being the bride of Jesus or any other deity - real or imagined - is one of many creepy, illogical, irrational things that set me to thinking...
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