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  1. And let this be an example to viewers of this site as to why so many of us left religion. It gave us a false hope. If that works for you - so be it. For those who would rather confront reality, either by choice or because reality is thrust upon all of us, kudos!
  2. @Christopherhays, I too am more comfortable with "traditional" family life and sometimes feel that marriages are either that or an "ultra-modern" situation with a minimalist (Sorry, @DanForsman ) household, " open", "I don't cook or do laundry!" marriage where one partner would rather picket the local GOP headquarters than assist with yard-work. Not true I'm finding - a bit too late. I should point out, at this point, that Mrs. MOHO is a fine partner who is always there for me and I for her. However, early on, when she made it clear she only dated Christians I had no clue what that entailed. I figured going to church once/month, as she was doing at that point, and having a diverse collection of friends. The day we landed in Roseburg, OR she found the local right-wing chapter of the Westborough Baptist Church of the Pacific Northwest. Yes, I'm exaggerating but it feels like that sometimes. Anyway she went off the deep end and is never coming back. She lacks formal education beyond the 10th grade and possesses a complete disdain for too much learning beyond what pastor asshat recommends. It is highly unlikely that divorce is even a remote possibility but that is because we had 15 or so years on the books before I came out. I am of the firm belief that had I proclaimed my atheism after 5 years we would not now be married. I also hold that had I really known Christianity, especially the fundamentalist variety, for what it is 20+ years ago there would never even have been the first date. Looking back I would have made very different decisions then (hind-sight is 20/20, eh?) and I would be happier today. Do not get involved with someone who's basic belief system is so different than yours that tension is a probability. Do not lie to anyone about your lack of belief. I have found that there are plenty of potential partners and friends who are neither fundamentalist or "out there" with the green hair, no interest in home economics, and spending all of their time engaged in radical politics and party party party. Good luck. Don't be in a hurry and keep us updated.
  3. I get the peace on Earth, good will toward men thing and would embrace it vigorously. But, my hopelessly indoctrinated fams would drag out the "remember the TRUE meaning of Christmas!" mantra and ruin the whole thing for me.
  4. Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!
  5. HI @Unsure, Welcome to Ex-Chrisitan. You are 100% accurate on both accounts. Letting go was scary. This is why I don't press the issue with Mrs. MOHO. If she spends her life as a Jesus Freak - Oh well. Getting over letting go, and the ensuing enlightenment, resulted in a freedom I cannot describe. No longer having to worry about going to Hell for things far beyond my control. This is why I wish Mrs MOHO would let go then work beyond the initial discomfort of doing so. Catch - 22! - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  6. Received an invitation to the annual xman office party. Replied DECLINE for reason that I do not wish to participate in religious events. Hope there's no fallout.
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    Hey @Will, Welcome to Ex-C! Glad you found your way out of the mind-control and cultism. Interesting how some of us come completely away from any religion or woo woo or the like while others turn to some other form of belief system (for lack of a more appropriate term?). Hope you stick around and read/post. - MOHO(Mind Of His Own)
  8. Thanx for checking in, @RealityCheck. Glad to hear things are looking up for you. There really IS life after religion!
  9. I would welcome that accomplishment and put a silhouette on the side of my truck to signify one successful mission. Then...on to more. Now we just need some inspiration for said silhouette. Any ideas? you know...like the ones on the front fuselage of a fighter plane.
  10. Straight up, @Geezer! And that explains the very frustration with those closest to us. "Wake up!" "Think!" "Snap out of it!" Don't work. I've tried.
  11. Wow! No dogs. No cats. No mold. Just extra pious stepson saying grace and over-the-top fundy wife saying "Yes Jesus!" to every word. Granddaughter made a peanut butter chocolate pie that was not destroyed by anything except my fork. No talk of religion. We've been there and they know they cannot refute anything I say w/out resorting to "You can't deny god!" "You can't deny Jesus!" You know...shit like that. "I can and I will unless you can prove the existence of either."
  12. Believe in woo? No. Not for an instant. If there is a force/being/beings/entity that created the universe that it would have had to use science to perform said creating. Once something really takes place it is no longer woo. Is it something we do not, at this time, posses the knowledge to explain. yes. But still science/reality. Is there a god? Not likely. Is the bible god real. Not likely. At least not in the classical sense that this being possesses special powers. Special knowledge? well maybe. But if that's the case and this begin is not using that knowledge to end suffering then what fucking prick!
  13. @Blood Thankx for your post. You might know more about this particular subject than Mr. Seidel! Perhaps you could have an email convo with him on this. I think, in the end, whether or not the concept of mitigating the influence of religion on legislation was even a thing 200 years ago, it is surely prudent.
  14. I see where your are coming from, @Myrkhoos. We can only achieve a pure separation if we can guarantee no influence of religion in governance and vice-versa. I think the best we can due here is to avoid (ban?) legislation where the primary motivator is religion. Examples... No retail stores may open on Sunday so we can observe the Sabbath. Abortions are banned BECAUSE it is murder ACCORDING TO <add favorite religion here> We must bomb Iraq BECAUSE there is an on-going war between our religions (xiantiy) and there's (Shia Islam ?) City ordnance will ban the sale and consumption of coffee as it violates the Word of Wisdom. Gender reassignment surgery, or whatever the hell we are commanded to call it this year, is banned as it is an abomination to god. If a reasonable argument for any of these can be made - sans religion - then we're good to go - at least from a separation of church and state standpoint.
  15. Just finished Mr. Seidel's The Founding Myth. In a nutshell it makes a very good case that the founding fathers of the U.S., weather pious our not, largely agreed that government should not be influenced by any particular religion. It also demonstrates the myriad of contrast between, Christianity and the Ten Commandments, and the intentions and application of the American form of democracy. This morning I noticed a book sitting on top of Mrs. MOHO's purse entitled The 5000 Year Leap by Cleon Skousen. Thumbing through it I came to the conclusion that it attempts to make the case that there certainly was, and should have been, a consorted effort to ensure Christianity's influence on government. We have seen the potentially horrific and disastrous impact to humanity associated with the alliance between devout (begin kind here) religious beliefs and a system of government. I am not certain how anyone could read the latter aforementioned publication and come away not being very afraid.
  16. @Renora Welcome to Ex-C! Sorry you're going through some nasty stuffs. Helps to talk about it. Let 'er rip when you are ready. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  17. We give to the local mission every year because all of the money goes to run the place and they have the best success at getting bums off the street. That said: I LOVE Chick-fil-a and will continue patronizing them. The food is good. The service is stellar. The employees are polite, friendly, and not covered in tats.
  18. Good points @older and @TEG nonbeliever or not religious are more socially acceptable terms.
  19. I tell people all the time I'm not a fundy or an Xtian. In fact I tell them straight away that I am an atheist - family, friends, acquaintances, co-workers. I get responses... 1. met too! 2. you should reconsider that. 3. I believe in god but not Christ. 4. I am spiritual 5. I will change your mind ("good luck, penis breath!") 6. blank stare You know What?... I live through it. It usually is not awkward. I stay married (your actual mileage may vary) I am still friends and on speaking terms will all So buck up and let it rip. You'll feel better! <<HUG>> - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  20. welcome to the forums, @TakamatsuMark.
  21. Hi @faithevoloved. Welcome to Ex-C! Glad to have you aboard. Like @nontheistpilgrim said you have begun the journey. This can take months or years or you can stay right were you are. If you choose to continue you will find valuable information from some of the smart kids here and there are references to books, studies, and videos to help your on your travels. - MOHO(Mind Of His Own)
  22. I am currently reading Andrew Seidel's The Founding Myth. Now THAT will motivate one to join separation movements. Planning on joining the Freedom from Religion folks when I'm done with the book. https://ffrf.org/
  23. @WWOAC Welcome to Ex-C! Reading, studying the books recommended here will help you decide if your doubts are legitimate. The one book that helped me the most was the bible. After reading the NT from Mathew to Revelations in a few months I was done. Reading large section of the OT was also revealing but I think that most reasonable humans will assume the NT to be man-made stories straight away. As for your question regarding bible prophecies that have come true: could you please elaborate and give us some examples? thnx, - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
  24. Hi @Makawe, Welcome to Ex-C. Many religions have a "don't do THIS or you will receive <insert horrible punishment! here>!" clause somewhere in their doctrine in order to coerce total and unwavering control over their subjects. Christianity is no exception despite the ubiquitous claim that they are all about love. Mrs. MOHO would argue that last comment saying that the xitian god is a vengeful god. (She says this with a look on her face that creeps me out.) Anyway, that discrepancy alone should not exist if xanity had any credibility. So, stop worrying about what blasphemy is and focus on reclaiming your life. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
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