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  1. The ability to say "I don't know" is a truly valuable quality. It helps protect against the impulse to embrace fallacies to stave off the discomfort of not knowing. Coupled with curiosity, it's a huge incentive to do the hard work of seeking out evidenced based answers. And if the question is not answerable, or not answerable in our lifetime, or not answerable by you, or just not answerable yet, not knowing is so much better than believing something you don't have good reason to believe.
  2. There seemed to be a couple of fairly common patterns here, not necessarily mutually exclusive: 1) People without a religious background who had just never thought about religion much. A "none" who may not explicitly call themselves atheist or agnostic, or a cultural christian/deist. 2) A drift toward the mores, beliefs, or practices of a group that they are spending time with. 3) A fairly rapid conversion in response to a trauma. If you want a good read, check out "Amazing Conversions: Why Some Turn to Faith and Others Abandon Religion" by Bob Altemeyer and Bruce Hunsberger.
  3. I had read it through the first time by my mid-teens for the Royal Rangers Bible badge. Between the archaic language (KJV), boring material, my young age, and shit that just couldn't register because it didn't make sense, or didn't mesh, it was kind of a blur that I just glossed over. It was far better on the second full read many years later as an atheist with a more readable translation and critical thinking skills.
  4. This is worthy of another comment, even though it is late. I happen to doubt that anyone was harmed in any way from this particular thread, but the statement that people who are damaged because they realized their best friend is imaginary are weak simply cannot be left without further challenge. In addition to what Lucy has already expressed so well, I might add that deprogramming oneself from this indoctrination from the cradle, ingrained from our parents, our most trusted adult authority figures, and the society at large, is usually a long process, often taking years. Gaining the traction to follow the truth, wherever it leads is an act of tremendous courage for those who have been brainwashed to not question their faith at risk of forfeiting their eternal salvation for eternal torment in Hell. There are people here at all stages of deconversion, and some of them are dealing with very real damage wrought by their programming. Speaking of Hell, some of them still have their brainwashing reassert itself with the fear that they made a mistake, even when they have started to become much more strongly grounded in reality. Fortunately, such residual trauma usually does go away over time. Weak? Hell no! To the contrary, dealing with all the aftermath that many ex-christians are left with is an expression of strength. There are so many, including both those who are still dealing with damage and those who have dealt with it and moved on, who are both strong and courageous.
  5. The flagrant disdain for anything that is just, or fair, or right in this case, not to mention that Texas jurisprudence allows such a travesty to advance and possibly prevail simply nauseates me.
  6. It's more than just that. Take prayers for healing and the natural progression of disease as an example. Whether you pray or not, you're going to get worse, get better, or stay the same, but even then with good days and bad days. It all but guarantees that if you're searching for a sign that you're prayers are answered, you will find it, whether it is an appeal to whatever god you believe in or simply the act of wearing your lucky socks. It's works even better, far better, when you have a god that might say yes or might say no, but is attributed with knowing the Big Picture when you do not.
  7. I think the best thing to do is to continue to be honest with them. They're already getting glimpses of reality that can ultimately reassure them of their fears like the unedited bible stories. You used to honestly challenge everything but religion and taught them to do the same. Why did religion, and specifically the religious tradition that you were following, get a free pass? Now, with your eyes open, you know that it is absurd to give one's religion a free pass, and you know why, and I'm sure you have insight into why you and others exempted their own beliefs from reason when you were still in the fold. We don't stop growing and learning and gaining insight just because we get our adult cards, and by the time they're teenagers, kids have lost their allusions that their parents are all-knowing (statically all-knowing, at that). When you talk to them honestly about what you've learned through you deconversion process, it will probably eventually become a little tough for them to hold on to the guise that you are now going to hell because you no longer believe, especially since they are still young. Be reassuring, and I think your honesty will still pay off, as it has in the past. At least that's my opinion. I know it's scary that they're not guaranteed to break free of the delusion that you're going to hell.
  8. That is a glorious t-shirt. I love it too!
  9. Yes! You found it! That's it exactly. Now there's a TRUE Christian!
  10. He should have read Leviticus 19:27: "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." It is yet another a problem if you want to be a True ChristianTM. There's a work-around for this one, though, sort of: You need to wear your hair like Ben Franklin would look like if his pate was short and fuzzy rather than bald, and if he had a big, bushy beard, with no trimmed "edges." Then, you'd have the beard that God is concerned with, and at least technically, you'd have the short hair that he wanted you to have when he channeled his will through Paul and hair not cut on the sides, like he demands in Leviticus. I looked for a picture to illustrate, but I couldn't find any. Guess there aren't many True Christians out there. Interestingly, Justin Bieber did pop up, who is clean shaven with with long hair on top cropped short on the sides. Guess he isn't a True Christian, either.
  11. He should have read Leviticus 19:27: "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
  12. So god creates rainbows to remind himself not to flood the world when he gets pissed off because everyone turns gay because of the rainbows he created!
  13. Basic morality: Not hurting anyone else or yourself listening to xian music: check. Can't think of any other moral argument why this would be considered "not OK": check Crazy ideas from xianity that are often used to argue something is "not OK": Not going to hell for listening to xian music: check. Demons won't come flying out of the speakers to possess you because you listen to xian music: check. Will not otherwise piss off some magic deity in the sky who is obsessed with your choice of music: check. As long as you enjoy it, I can't think of anything that would make it "not OK." IDK, someone who was in a phase of deconversion where something like this was causing them angst, then maybe, but otherwise, if that's what you like, enjoy!
  14. In a way, it's enviable for them that they can't truly empathize, but they might learn a little about what it's really like to have been indoctrinated, and to be an ex-christian.
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