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  1. Strawman. That is not what is being argued here by anyone or by the articles posted. Try not to shitstorm every topic you post in.
  2. Relevant article regarding IQ I spoke about earlier: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech
  3. @Joshpantera The research and opinions on IQ as it pertains to race is, as far as I can tell, largely mistaken. There appear to be larger differences within populations than between them. But more to the point is the idea that race IQ is genetically inherited and the research simply does not support that. I have a great article saved at home I'll post for your perusal later. For this reason I find Molyneaux's views on this topic seriously flawed. I would have preferred a well research seasoned debater in a public forum discussing with these two rather than the rage mob we got. But by and large people here didn't want them. I have noted Molyneaux is talking about "the coming war". I haven't looked into it. Does anyone know what he's on about, and is this a bit.... revelations apocalypse predictions?
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    Hi I'm on a mission to help a christian in the kitchen.

    Hi... welcome to Ex-C I'd like to help, but like the others I haven't a clue what you need help with. You mentioned not believing satan was real.... maybe just go one further and ask whether God is real?
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    Creationisim rumoured to be taught in an NZ school

    I would say after the last election the Maori parties were decimated. Their own people rejected them. The Maori party failed to gain a single seat, Mana was obliterated. The flipping TOP party gained more votes. However I think Labour Maori candidates took all the Maori seats? Yep, Labour took all Maori seats (7/7) Act only got a seat because National gifted to them as per the previous years strategies.
  6. An argument against allowing anyone to just say whatever they like: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-07-2018/all-the-times-our-new-free-speech-coalition-really-hated-free-speech/ The crux of it is that these free speech advocates are not really free speech advocates - they just want stuff they want to hear allowed as free speech. It's an interesting position. The only rational position is free speech absolutist when talking about free speech - anything else and you are simply talking about acceptable speech. And the problem there is acceptable to whom?
  7. More news: It's cancelled again. (Apparently powerful forces at work) I know some Maori groups didn't want them because apparently Molyneux made some disparaging remarks about Australian Aborigines'. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/southern-and-molyneuxs-speaking-event-cancelled/ar-BBLqC6z?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=ientp Question is, is racist views part of free speech? I guess so.
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    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    No text or phone call... and I'm pretty sure I'd be one of the first to know. Will visually check tomorrow.
  9. I do note a worrying trend where people are saying "experts" are pretty much always wrong, therefore any idea from anyone is of equal value. These people think they are properly sceptical when they are actually cynical and the distinction is important. It's not just happening here, but across wider society, and not just in science. Trump has given licence to people here (In NZ... yes its exists) to simply proclaim any view they don't like is "FAKE NEWS". It's not just happening on fringe internet boards, but in mainstream society. So what we are heading to is that everyone's opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. Experts are really experts, they don't know much more than you but they have a fancy piece of paper from a corrupt organisation. This view of course gets straw-manned into "Oh you think scientists and experts have the TRUTH" NO! But I recognise my own knowledge limitations and the fact that over time scientists generally sort out what is more true to reality from garbage. /Rant over
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    The weirdest thing is happening to me

    You realise the only sources we have for Jesus on a cross are from four contradictory self serving letters written by people trying to convince other people of their "truth"? Even if it was historically unambiguous that a man named Jesus who claimed to be Christ was crucified, that in no way tells you whether he actually was the son of God. Here's another thought - why is Christianity so much like other religions if its God inspired and the one true religion? Other religions had God's having sons, and gods dying and rising long before the gospels were written. Why is God copying humanity? You go read God myths from the surrounding Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, and Egyptians and tell me that the stories told in the bible are different and unique. They aren't - they are the same stories simply rehashed by the people for their audience.
  11. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/molyneux-and-southern-protests-planned-for-outside-venue/ar-BBLpJfS?ocid=ientp Well they are coming here and protests are planned. Duncan Garner says give them a TV slot with a good debate team. I agree. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/give-far-right-pair-a-primetime-tv-slot-garner/ar-BBLq7Nu?ocid=ientp
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    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    Father I must confess for I have sinned... I have actually thought about doing something like this. But I don't because I think its just morally and ethically wrong, even if you are not "forcing" people you are still intentionally taking advantage of peoples gullibility.
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    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    It's like asking did you know Santa Claus or believe in the tooth fairy. Sure... when I was a kid and didn't know any better. Same with God. I thought I knew God and had a personal relationship, I thought he spoke to me, but ask me now and well no, I didn't actually know God because it appears God does not exist except in the minds of believers. Yes yes, you have stories about how you've prayed for people and they've been healed (My friend has rang to say his fingers are back by the way), you've seen people saved etc. But if you bother to look past your own confirmation bias and four walls you'd realise these stories are dime a dozen. Competing Christian sects have them, Muslims have them, Hindus have them... and they all attribute whatever they think happened to their God/s. So I ask you how is anyone from the outside supposed to tell which is real and which is fake when they all produce essentially the same evidence? One, you realize you are talking to Ex-Christians right? Some of us might have been Christians longer than you've lived depending on your age. Two - that's basically a No True Scotsman fallacy. Congratulations on committing a logical fallacy (Drum roll please) More stories. Like I said my friends fingers are still missing. Surly with all this power and healing God can spare one healing to convince a lost soul? I've seen lots of videos, I've never seen one where I've actually thought it was real. Some of them are outright scams, conning gullible people. You'd need to establish the existence of demons before making a claim that "people were delivered from them". And no I don't think the majority use actors, though some do, I think that some people sincerely believe they can heal, and people sincerely bevel they are healed. The measure of sincerity in a belief is in no way related to its truth however. Again my friends fingers, and I'm going to repeat this every time you mention healing. If God is real then he would know that those fingers growing back would convince me. It's not something that can be mistaken... oh is the finger 5mm longer today? No, it not there! Put it back... all four of them. Lady with cancer. Yep, cancer survival stories are many. Sometimes against all odds. It's a known medical happening. Again you have in no way shown a link between your particular God and a healing. Catholics have these stories, Muslims, heck even atheists probably have miracle stories. (BTW are you Pentecostal? You sound Pentecostal - that's part of my background and we pretty much used to talk like you do.) Speaking of which, how do we know you are not sent from the evil one? He is a deceiver and a worker of miracles. Revelations speaks of an antichrist who will perform wonders - perhaps it is you?
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    The weirdest thing is happening to me

    Says the guy who cannot show the holy spirit to anyone. I don't think anyone has the author of truth. No one has a justifiable claim to 100% knowledge. Truth is only what we say is real based on current knowledge. Re spiritual matters: No one, not even my spiritually minded friends have managed to convince me of anything spiritual that is outside our material existence. The closest is the argument for consciousness but the data seems to point to consciousness being directly tied to the material brain. Since you and the holy spirit are on good terms perhaps you could start by asking the HS to reveal the names of the gospel writers? The actual writers not the names put on by the later church.