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  1. Hi Bavinck and welcome to Ex-C Yep, I've been there, I think most of us have on one way or another. Wishing you al the best on your journey out of religion and freeing yourself of the God virus which seems to have inflicted so many of us for pretty much most of our written history. Hope to see you around. LF
  2. There is a little quote I like to use when people say they "know" something. It's along the lines of "If you can't show it, then you don't know it". This is basically saying that if you can't provide evidence for what you "know" then you don't really know it. And claims presented without evidence can be dismissed without consideration. That's another quote - from Hitchens I believe. I'm not a biologist, but even I can tell you have a gross misunderstanding of what DNA is. Also if you think life is intelligently designed then consider the fact a giraffes laryngeal nerve travels a path far longer than logic and design would dictate The Laryngeal Nerve of the Giraffe is Proof of Natural Selection | ScienceBlogs. The fact that a certain species of pig grows tusks that curve and end up growing into the brain. The fact that there are lifeforms that must burrow into the eye of a human in order to reproduce. There are many other examples. If it's made by a designer then that designer is a bumbling fool. I generally don't tell people there is no god. If they tell me there is one I ask for evidence. Still waiting. And occasionally I will probe as to the reasons why they believe in their particular favourite deity. What strikes me is that you have referred to your God as "he/him/his" These are gender terminologies humans use to differentiate between sexes and genders depending on context. These are defined by characteristics such as having ovaries or testes, breasts or penis's etc. So can you explain to me what sexual characteristics your God has that leads you to refer to it in the male sense? If you are not willing to consider the possibility, however remote you think it is, that you might be wrong then discussion is pointless. It was telling in the debate between Bill Nye (Science educator) and Ken Ham (Creationist extraordinaire) they were asked what would make them change their mind about their world views, particularly in regards to evolution. Bill Nye's answer: "A rabbit fossil in the Cambrian layer" Ken Ham's answer "Nothing will ever convince me..." If your answer is nothing will ever convince you, then you are unreasonable by definition.
  3. Well I'm confused. I advocate mask wearing based on evidence that it slows the spread of the disease (And thus helps in a number of areas such as the medical system, lessening impact on the economy etc So in response to my post you said: "It may slow the spread to some degree but the argument is that these masks haven't, nor can they stop the spread. For X reasons. It can be slowed by factors and yet never go away" So, the POINT, as referred to above I think is that while masks do not stop the virus, they, in conjunction with other tools such as vaccines and lockdowns, help slow the spread and protect the population therefore being a net benefit. So saying that masks don't "stop" the virus I think misses the point. Have I missed the point? That's my point, care to clarify what you think the point is?
  4. Who is arguing they can stop it completely? That isn't a strawman over there on the field is it? If anyone is arguing that vaccines and masks and prayer can 100% stop covid they are wrong, but that would be missing the point. And here in this thread it would be a strawman.
  5. Earlier in this thread we were discussing whether masks help slow the spread of Covid. We have a new large study: Largest study of masks yet details their importance in fighting Covid-19 (nbcnews.com) A link to the actual study for those so inclined to delve into the methods etc Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf (poverty-action.org)
  6. So more update: Spoke to the doctor. He thinks it was likely the jab that caused it because migraines are related to inflammatory forces and the 2nd jab does cause a decent inflammatory response. However its normal and nothing to be concerned about, especially since the last two days I've been fine. He thinks I'm now out of the reaction period.
  7. Sorry to hear that mate. I do have an update: Not sure if this is related to the vaccine or just something that happens. I get migraines every so often. Normally every 6 months. I haven't had one for a bout 6 months. I reported on Saturday I was fine and dandy. Saturday night I got a migraine. It wasn't severe. I was fine on Sunday, Monday had bad headaches and felt nauseous, then on Tuesday I got another migraine. Now, none of that is particularly unusual. I get migraines and headaches, and I've had back to back migraines before and generally feel shitting for a day or two after getting one. But due to the proximity of my 2nd shot I thought I'd report it. @DarkBishop Hoping you get through it like a breeze mate. From what I've heard, any side effects are better than the actual thing. We have 8 cases in ICU in NZ - and we are locked down! Hate to see case numbers if we weren't locked down.
  8. As I previously asked - what are you calling spiritual? I cannot answer your question until you give me your working definition of what you mean by spiritual? From a religious point of view I don't have 'spiritual' needs so therefore no need to satisfy them. I have emotional needs, physical needs. And everlasting itch to go fishing. I enjoy breath-taking scenery, beautiful sun rises and sets, and symphonic metal. I have a range of emotional experiences during these experiences some of which can be described as euphoric. Is that spiritual to you? Or are we talking about something else?
  9. And I've answered, several times. I told them that we believe mostly the same things apart from God. Got no response. Then we got onto the spiritual question to which I requested a definition from the 'interviewer' to further the conversation. I didn't get that and if you have a look a lot of the responses are a few word responses. Hence my last post. Also they didn't state they are here to interview us. They said "My reason for joining is I'm interested in what Ex Christians believe after they apostatize." So I was attempting conversation that would lead down those lines, but meaningful conversations only work if both parties contribute sufficiently. Or else it is, dare I say it again, a waste-of-time. (Definition previously given) And if you think that's me being combative... wait until you see me really combative
  10. Haha, it is a bit ominous I guess. Biology mate. People react differently to different things. That's the really short basic answer.
  11. Bang on. @DarkBishop This will be likely my final report. By the evening of the second day, (so about 30 hours in) I was feeling more tired than usual and had a worn down feeling as if I'd worked really hard for 12 hours. I had a good sleep that night and woke up perky. I can lift my arm above the shoulder no problems. By the 48 hour mark I wouldn't have known I'd had a vaccine shot apart from a lingering tenderness in my arm. As of now I'm pretty much over any symptoms. I'll let you know if anything else develops that I think is related, but other than that this is it. Good luck with your 2nd jab mate.
  12. I said it's often NOT the same. So out of my entire post in which I specifically ask for, and I quote myself "So if you can properly define spiritual, and perhaps propose criteria by which we might know if something is a spiritual experience as opposed to just an emotional experience then we can have a talk around it." You pick out the bit about me pointing out the problems with spirituality definitions and fire a nonsensical 6 word question back that fails to address my question for you. Let me define something for you in this case: "Waste-of-time" : A person who comes with the pretence of wanting to have a conversation, but in fact does not contribute meaningful content to that conversation.
  13. Tucker Carlson is having a go at NZ's Covid response... dude, I don't think your own news network takes you seriously. Why would we?

  14. @DarkBishop Just over 24 hours. Arm hurts quite a bit - painful to lift it above shoulder height. This is expected and happened with first dose. I do feel a bit more tired than usual and have weird minor aches over the body. Not enough to make me stop working, but enough for me to think, yeah this isn't my usual shtick. I do have a minor headache, but I always get headaches so cannot tell if its just me, or a result of vaccine. No problems with eating etc.
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