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  1. Hi @themonkeyman Nice meeting you, and I guess welcome back. Once studied with an open mind, the Bible is so clearly wrong and contradictory it makes it impossible to believe unless you are wearing rose tinted glasses.
  2. You are observant DB. I hope they are ok and just on a temporary hiatus.
  3. @DarkBishop just wondering if you are aware that the vaccine doesn't just protect you, but also helps protect others you come into contact with? Thus the whole line about someone else getting the virus from you is on them is in my opinion a result of misunderstanding why it's important that everyone who can get the vaccine. There are some people that for various reasons cannot take the vaccines and are thus reliant on everybody who can take it does in order to help protect the vulnerable.
  4. I wasn't responding directly to you, I was using your post to highlight a common theme among 'skeptics' or outright deniers then ranting about their collective stupidity. It wasn't directed at you Josh, I knew what you were saying and was aware I was kind of repeating it. Sorry if it came across as a personal attack. Not my intention. I was just talking in general. PS... hence why I opened with " if this comes as a surprise to anyone" not "if... to YOU". If I think your argument is flawed I will direct my counter to you, not the general ether.
  5. QFT. Very well put. But more often than not people go off of emotional responses rather than evidence driven ones.
  6. If this comes as a surprise to anyone then they don't know how vaccines work and haven't been reading the actual scientific reports on them... as opposed to whatever garbage the media spits out. I don't think there is enough education around vaccines and so you get people coming up with what is basically a cookie cutter list of problems that are generally the result of ignorance and stupidity. A combination, as we know, that can be fatal. I shake my head when I hear someone say "someone caught covid after the vaccine" or "someone died". Yeah, the best one has an efficacy rating of 95%. So at least 5 people out of every 100 are gonna get it. Multiply that by the milions/billions vaccinated and yep, people still gonna die. My bottom line is that yes the vaccine is not perfect, it can have side effects, but a risk analysis vs catching covid and all its risks leads me to conclude the facts are on the side of getting vaccinated. Unless you plan on permanent non human contact isolation.
  7. UFO's are just that, unidentified. From memory there was extensive US military investigation in the 70's and they come up with nothing. They could never get to the point where all the data pointed at say extra terrestrial ships. Something being reported on 60 minutes doesn't get me excited. It makes me think that the person telling the story couldn't get traction elsewhere so went for a TV program. I personally don't believe that it's extra terrestrials, or that its even possible that it could be. This is because of the age of the universe, expected evolution rates, the mere chances of happening on another planet with lifeforms, and what is probably the physical impossibility of travel on a galactic scale. I could of course be wrong, along with many scientists, but that's what the data points to at the moment. I'm reminded of a saying, if you hear hooves galloping behind you it is unwise to assume it's a unicorn. Most likely its a horse, or if you live in Spain it could be an enraged fighting bull.
  8. Probably not, not unless there is some grand cause in the scheme of things. And it would have to pretty grand and involve something I deeply care about which is not about the face I'm atheist in itself.
  9. Which is why I've barely been keeping an eye on this conversation. It's meaningless without a definition. They might as well be talking about generic woo at this stage.
  10. This on is as short as my first one was long. However it manages to express and convey information that everyone understands. It's also a root word from which one can build an entire sentence from that is totally coherent. "Fuck" (As said by Geralt of Rivia)
  11. This one is a long quote but one of my favorites. "Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known." Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot
  12. Aren't they both just people using majority power to remove someone they don't like in order to achieve some goal? Just one happens in the political sphere and the other happens in the world of twits.
  13. I am a genius. After poking and prodding, and I'm sure nearly taking this site down, (kidding - I can IT stuff) I figured out how to give @Freed access to the Spirituality forum. Freed can you try and post there again please? Let me know if there is an issue.
  14. If you think that then you don't understand the purpose of this site or realize how many people have been helped because willing people have donated to keep this site up and running. If you are complaining about the moderators not getting things sorted on your time frame then note we are all volunteers and we take time out of our day to ensure the smooth running of the site. Regards LF
  15. Prof, you of all people should know that assumption is the mother of all fuckups! I'll have a play and see if I can figure out where to apply the permission later on.
  16. @TheRedneckProfessor @florduh I'm going to assume that one of you fine gentlemen before me has granted access?
  17. Done - it's now in Ex-Christian Spirituality. Discuss away.
  18. You can also go to the Ex Christian Spirituality section which is specifically for discussing this sort of stuff. Unless specifically asked the hard nosed atheists generally stay out of it. Not thinking of any hard nosed atheist in particular...
  19. So now we are debating who won the debate? Ok. I think anybody who came away from it with something new they were exposed to or thought about won. As far as the actual debate I don't think we got past sorting a coherent definition of spirituality therefore it was a debate of passing ships IMO.
  20. Yes, which is part of the reason I don't think absolute free will exists. It can't. I'm not even sure if an omnipotent omniscient God has absolute free will, but regardless we humans don't. We already know that we don't choose our beliefs'. Therefore in just that one aspect of our lives we don't have free will. If anyone does think we can choose our beliefs' then I challenge you to believe the moon is made of green cheese. You can't because you already have enough knowledge to know the belief is asinine. But at the moment I'm still not sure what Ed means when he says absolute free will. I think there is some form of free will, just it's not absolute.
  21. Can you define what you are calling absolute free will? Generally I will say under any worldview that no it doesn't exist, but that depends on what a person means by "absolute free will".
  22. Welcome to Ex C. I have two primary nagging questions: How did life begin and how did the cosmos begin, if indeed it did begin. The second question is admittedly a bit tricker because some of the questions we may ask may not even make sense. Apart from that no nagging questions regarding religion.
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