LogicalFallacy

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    Finding Hope

    Welcome Bug, glad you have joined us. You mentioned some great resources that helps deconversion. Fear is one of the greatest things to overcome. Never be afraid to reach out and ask for help.
  2. For anyone interested in why @reverendturmoil gravity proves God argument breaks down, this conversation is a good example of why this argument fails. https://youtu.be/AOdaZAtFTlg
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    Christians are stealing my happiness!

    I do need to apologise for Ray Comfort on behalf of all New Zealander's - we exported him to you thus improving the IQ of both countries
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    Christians are stealing my happiness!

    Actually Ray Comfort, Ken Ham (AiG founder) and Kent Hovind are all creationists and disagree with each others theology. So you could hi her with that - do your research first though. Also if you can the NZ idea is a good one
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    Christians are stealing my happiness!

    If you are worried about this sort of thing then you should be anonymous on the internet... like me. I post heaps of stuff Christians would get offended at but my family never sees it. Don't use your facebook account for such stuff. Play smart. Out of curiosity - are you independent? Advice might centre around whether your are dependant on your mother or not for financial support.
  6. @Mods: not sure why BO has to spill his shit in the science forum? If I wanted to pick a fight with him and have the usual trash thrown about I'd have posted in the ToT. We've been over the same old shit before. Some of us are actually interested in this topic so I post it here for those so inclined. Do we have to tolerate BO constantly popping up in these topics in this section spewing his twaddle about how we are all religious and the same old debunked arguments? Normally people who post here are hoping for some rational discussion away from the usual faeces flinging exercises in the ToT.
  7. A growing number of reports show that melting is occurring at faster rates. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/greenland’s-melting-ice-nears-a-‘tipping-point’-scientists-say/ar-BBSyPFa?li=BBqdmGR As a side note it appears that climate is more like a stock price trend rather than lineal. So you have pauses, and even retractions inside an overall up trend. This shouldn't actually be surprising, but worth noting because everytime there is a pause people say... ah ha, see it's stopped.
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    Argument against evolution

    While discussing various subjects with a person on youtube I got hit with the following and didn't have the requisite knowledge to adequately answer so had to bow out with an I don't know. The person suggests at the bottom of the argument that nothing in the geologic or fossil record debunks the the idea of common design over a series of (separate) creative events. Separate is my word as that's what they seem to be getting at. Prior to this statement they launched into a rather wordy explanation of why they didn't think the modern theory of evolution holds water. A major point is that evolution and abiogenesis are mathematical and engineering monstrosities. I have no idea what they are getting at, however we can safely leave abiogenesis out of this as evolution will stand or fall on its own regardless of a creator sparking off life, or abiogenesis occurring. Their argument below: Thoughts? (Apart from word salad)
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    Argument against evolution

    Science proves nothing and doesn't attempt to unless its in the realm of mathematical proof. For example you probably have no issue with a spherical heliocentric earth or gravity and yet science hasn't "proven" them. What is does is come up with the best explanation of observed facts. Evolution is a fact. Very few people have trouble acknowledging that we can evolve animals and plants to suit our purpose in a fairly short time. We call it artificial selection, but it's simply taking evolution and directing it somewhat. However people seem to get caught up on two things: time scales and this idea of fish into bird and people think of FISH. (Full stop) and BIRD (full stop) and can't figure out how one gets from A to B. The easy way I found to think about this after listening to a lecture is to stop thinking in terms of a missing link or a 'transitional species'. Every life form on the planet is a transition between the ones before it and the ones after, often known as parents and offspring. Each individual in a population is ever so slightly different from it's predecessor. Over the millions of years these small changes add up until one day you go oh look, a bird, a fish. Well how did that happen? Think in terms of not one big change, but billions of small ones over eons. (Note I'm not an expert on this subject, this is a layman explanation I find useful. If it's wrong hopefully one of our members who are in the field can correct me.) Regarding the monkey skeleton to human skeleton and 'jumping to conclusions'. You seem unaware of the vast amount of evidence there is - not just numerous fossils, but DNA as well. @TheRedneckProfessor posted a link to human evolution a week or so ago. Perhaps he can link it here for your perusal? Here's a couple to start you off: http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution https://www.britannica.com/science/human-evolution
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    New humaniod fossil found in SA

    Wish they'd stop using the term "missing link" though. People keep expecting to see a half monkey half human which is never going to be the case. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/fossils-discovered-in-south-africa-are-the-missing-link-in-human-evolution-study-finds/ar-BBSydXJ
  11. Or science vs dearly held belief's or personal opinions. Most of the articles are not "vs" articles, they are simply hey this is sciency stuff of interest to those who are so interested. Perhaps it's a misuse of the forum, but better than putting it in the shithole down below.
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    New humaniod fossil found in SA

    Yes, interesting and humbling to realise there were other 'humans' but we were the ones who survived. Heck we even breed with some of them! A far cry from "God created man in his image."
  13. To quote BAA - always remember your audience. Someone who might have thought ID is a reasonable explanation might read this and have the lights pop on as they realise all the Rev has is bold assertions with no evidence. I thought the same thing about Aron debating Kent Hovind… until you realise how many people think that Kent is right. It's staggering.... and Kent's at the bottom of the creationist barrel.
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    Christians alarmed at the rise of Sex Robots

    Someone is working on population control.
  15. I'm not sure if you are genuinely missing the point or simply obtuse. It proves nothing of the sort. You really don't seem to understand how observed facts and explanations work. The point about birds and bees also clearly went over your head. Irrelevant point. Did you have a point? Collision course because.... physics. https://io9.gizmodo.com/andromeda-and-the-milky-way-might-collide-sooner-than-w-1704945980?IR=T Extraordinary claim with no evidence. How surprising. Now tell me, how can we falsify your claim of an intelligent designer? Something that is unfalsifiable is useless to us as we cannot distinguish unfalsifiable claims from gibberish. Relevant to this discussion: Brett with apparent similar understanding as Revturmoil has of reality attempts to 'school' Aron Ra. Pretty much the same arguments.
  16. You need sustained powered flight to overcome the effects of gravity. Don't be asinine and intentionally warp the point being made. Your burrito proves intelligent design because we have many examples of hungry humans creating burritos of various flavours and characteristics. Seriously that gravity comment is the same as the birds and the bees argument. So the andromeda galaxy heading on a collision course with the milky way is intelligent? Asteroids hitting earth and wiping out dinosaurs is intelligent? If your bar for intelligence is that low then me passing wind must be really high up on the scale. Please show me your example of the ultimate intelligent designer.
  17. Reality doesn't really care if you don't believe in it. You can not believe in gravity if you like, but jump off a building and reality will teach you a very final lesson. And not true - spiderman getting bitten was an accident and he became a superhero...
  18. Humanity as a whole seems rather obsessed with predicting the end of the world. Christians are simply the modern iteration of this affliction.
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    Demons

    I realise this. I was speaking purely from the 'theology' stand point. Re Job: In this case God is directly authorising Satan to kill these people so as you point out the deaths are attributable to God. Much like how Hitler probably didn't kill many Jews, but we say Hitler killed 6 million - its the factor of authority and where the commands came from. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_Satan_personally_killing_people So two examples, both of which end up not being Satan, or not in the bible so... yeah... Satan or the guy who wiped all living things in a flood - take ya pick.
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    Demons

    I think in Christian theology at least demons don't kill people as much as tempts them to sin. According to the bible only God can give life and take life so the idea of a demon being able to kill at will kind of presents a challenge to Gods omnipotence. Thus as far as I'm aware, is not an accepted idea in both Christianity and Judaism that demons can kill.
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    Given your options

    Totally. Was thinking of joining up meself.
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    Given your options

    If TRP was "too harsh" that Christian (CF) needs to find the armour of God. TRP called CF out on where he was heading with his 'arguments' and that upset CF methinks. Looking at the way he responds on his forum I think you'd end up with a lot of scripture quoting with the presupposition that because the bible says so it's correct. So it really depends on the subject as to whether debate is worthwhile. Actually debating on a Christian forum could be worthwhile. Large audience to affect.
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    Greetings!

    This is exactly why I say fuck you God.
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    Greetings!

    Considering that you signed off your intro with God Bless, and given that you KNEW what community you were doing so in, you'll forgive me for being sceptical of your sincerity. And it's a valid question. And our posters over there appear to be treating you all respectfully. Why doesn't god heal amputees? My Christian friend wonders that. Did @God link the site by the same name that goes into that particular question in detail? Edit: @Christforums You make this claim: "It stands to reason that if God does in fact miraculously heal today then God heals all manners of illness including severed limbs." Really? Care to provide some evidence of this impressive claim?