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    music, guitar, travel, sci-fi, writing, reading, thinking for myself
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    ex-sheep, ex-lay leader, ex-worship leader, ex-everything. Trying to find out who I am, now that the guilt and shame are gone. (Can I really watch Game of Thrones without being judged now? Answer: YES!) I'm a writer and publisher who loves the outdoors and traveling. My part-time job is recovering from 25 years of evangelical mind control. Your turn! Reach out and say hi!

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  1. Riven

    An Update On My Life

    I'm a hockey fan, so I like you already! (Go Kings Go!) 🏒 I'm so sorry to hear about your marriage -- that's got to be so hard. I just started listening to Humanize Me and I absolutely love it. I found it by accident from another related podcast, and I was surprised to learn about Bart and his exit from Christianity. I had no idea! I have a connection to his father through a good friend of mine, who is good friends with Tony. I've met him on various occasions when he was visiting my friend. That was in the 1990s and I can remember thinking "how liberal" he was. That's hilarious now... but that was the mindset of my very evangelical mind. Listening to Bart, and hearing his story has been amazing. I want to see the documentary he and his dad did, but haven't plunked down the $14.99 that Amazon wants. But soon. Hang in there and thanks for blogging. I so appreciate it.
  2. Riven

    Spring is Coming

    I may look into the Yoga thing. Thanks for explaining how you've been finding your way in that. I'd be interested in the Youtube channel (if you happen to see my comment!) I also am at the point of feeling that the soul is a made up invention of man. I don't have any spiritual desire at all. I may grow out of that with time, and maybe find something, but who knows. I'll tell you one benefit that I immediately had -- enjoying each day and appreciating those around me. I'm much more in the moment, probably because I now realize this life is all I get. And weirdly, I don't see that as a bad thing -- rather -- it's freeing!
  3. I hear you @offtheromanroad This is actually one of the core issues that caused me to walk out the door. The very people that Jesus hung out with are demonized as "the other" in Western Christianity. It's sickening. I have trouble getting past the rage some days. Of course, I'm fresh off the turnip truck as they say, so I'm still raw.
  4. Riven

    God....and Prayers.

    I came from the flavor of evangelical Christianity where God was intricately involved in every aspect of my life. God was interested in getting me a better job, finding me a husband, and clearing out a primo parking space at Trader Joes. Oh yes, He was blessing me every. single. day. The conversations would go like this: "God blessed me big time today. You know that dress I really wanted to my anniversary dinner? It went on sale! I mean, God knows how tight money is with us, and I just can't believe He would make a way for me to be able to buy it." Or, "God just knew I needed a phone call from (whomever) today. He just knows exactly what I need." You get the idea. I just knew that God was interested in every single detail of my life. Pure Western Christianity ego-centrism. So now, let's juxtapose this with the prayers of a refugee in a war torn country. Afraid for their children, they're praying desperately for a way out that never comes. Or the mother with the child who is desperately ill and in pain. Does that child get relief from the very real pain? What about the dying child? These seem like answer-worthy prayers. In fact, they seem (and mind you, I'm just a human, so I can't claim to know God's priorities), those prayers seem like they might just outrank the dress going on sale, or the best parking spot He decided to bless you with. I have two thoughts about this. One: When God fails to answer our prayers, he's got a mighty "get out of jail free" card. It's called His Will. When worthy prayers are not answered, then it's His "mysterious will." God is not to be questioned. His ways are higher than ours. You know the drill. However, when he finds me a parking spot, he gets all the praise. How many Christians ever stop to think how incredibly self-centered they sound as they make the (supposed) God of the Universe their personal prayer bitch? Did they ever stop and think about the really horrible things that happen to people in this world, whose prayers go completely and totally unanswered? Two: Wow and double wow for your close personal relationship with God. He's intimately involved in every aspect of your thoughts and your life, and He's always going before you to make a way and bless you. Did it ever occur to you that your life is actually blessed by virtue of where and to whom you were born? DIdn't think so. So the next time your Christian buddy thinks being religionless makes you selfish, this might be a good object lesson to bring up.
  5. Riven

    Facebook.... (sigh)

    @SkipNChurch this plugin has seriously changed my Facebook feed. I donated to them two days after installing! I had no idea about this tool, and I'm so grateful you mentioned it. (Plus I love the idea of using a purity tool to block all the purity people!) 😂
  6. I thought about that yesterday.... it's like I'm in this whole new world where I'm learning that some of the most quoted scriptures have spotty origins. I go back and forth between feeling stupid, getting angry about it and then happy that I'm free from it.
  7. Riven

    Inaugural Entry

    I hear you. I'm attending a United Methodist Church with my husband to keep the peace, and because he wants our teenage son to continue to have that experience. He knows I don't believe, and he knows our son doesn't believe anymore either. But, there is something to be said for keeping family peace. And I guess family traditions. I agree with you, it's easier to keep relationships intact this way. The church we are in is inclusive to all people and very liberal, theologically so I'm OK with it.
  8. @Storm that seriously wins the forum today!
  9. It's amazing when you think about it that way, right? Incest was OK, until it wasn't. Polygamy was OK, until it wasn't. Concubines were OK, until they weren't. And the way Christianity explains this away as "cultural at the time" is stunning. They act like on the one hand that we should excuse the Bible on the grounds "that was the culture at the time" but at the same time, their own holy books says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16. It's actually hilarious to see that they don't even get how they hold two competing ideas as truth at the same time.
  10. Riven

    Inaugural Entry

    Yep, I named the blog after the song, because I really do feel like so much got better when I finally let go of the mythology for good. I'm not out either (also to avoid conflict). But yes, I'm doing juuuuuuust fine! Or, closer to fine anyway! 😉
  11. Best thing I've read all day: How do you get past the fact that the Old Testament reads just like the blog of an early Iron Age tribe rather than the wisdom of the omniscient creator of the universe?


    Source here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/06/25-stupid-arguments-christians-should-avoid-part-1/

  12. Riven

    The Politcs of Christianity

    Mind = blown. I had NO idea! 🤯 I looked it up. It was Bart Ehrman, Orthodox Corruption, p. 91. (I have Google skills!) You know, this is exactly the problem. The "scribes" have had thousands of years to either fix up, or produce reams of commentary, to obfuscate the obvious. The Bible has all kinds of consistency issues. And adulteration throughout the centuries. I'll just add this to my growing heap of knowledge. This is a good one! Thanks! OH! And P.S. --- It also creates a "Jesus can't be divine" problem too! If he and the father are one, "he is in me and I am in him," as Jesus said, then how would HE himself not know? (Cue the theologians screaming that Jesus "gave up his divinity while on earth" so he wouldn't have known.) I know all the arguments.... lol.
  13. Riven

    My Long-Awaited Introduction

    Welcome from another long-time lurker and recent poster! I understand energy and time being at a premium, especially when you are dealing with all-encompassing diagnosis, but I'm happy you're here, and thank you for posting your story. I truly appreciated it.
  14. Riven

    I Just Realized That I Don't Want to Be a Christian...

    Welcome to the struggle. When I'm weary, I tell myself that I'd rather be on this journey, than stuck swallowing all the shaming messages of the church's teachings. Your list is a great personal manifesto, and also a great source of reminding yourself of your personal boundaries. You fought hard to come to these conclusions, they are your victory. And there is much more to come. I wish I could say that peace will come, it does -- in spurts (at least for me), but the journey is the journey. And it's worth it. Welcome. I"m pretty new too, and I recently wrote a list too! 🙂 You're in good company!!
  15. Riven

    The Politcs of Christianity

    @Joshpantera - I actually just made a post about man-made thinking, as it's something I've been pondering a lot, and today I had an insight (I'll leave it for my post to explain though.) But to your point, I'm always amazed at how there are still people that are hooked into these "end of the world" cults. I mean, it's not that hard to know about others who said that same, and were wrong. And, if that's not enough, there's the Bible itself saying, "No man knows the day or time..." and that anyone saying so is a false prophet. I realize the dynamics are complicated and multifaceted. Sometimes it's the leader's personality, or other factors. Re: Daniel and Revelation. I'd be interested in learning more about how those books might dissuade someone from believing in exclusivist claims! I agree about Europe and their post-Christianity. In fact, I went on a mission trip to Europe in the 90s, and that's all we talked about. How lost they were, how they didn't understand what a "personal relationship with Jesus" was, etc. OMG. So, fast forward 20+ years and I'm actually rooting for that dynamic to come to the U.S.! 🙄