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  1. @MAAT5 I would love to delete mine. Unfortunately, I belong to several professional groups that don't exist elsewhere. I'm still thinking about how I can get mostly untangled from it.
  2. Wow... just. wow. Never underestimate the power of "gossip prayer." I've been witness to it countless times! (If that's indeed what happened.) I'm still going to church too, but a very liberal one (open and affirming) due to my husband still wanting to attend. I'm happy that it's at least Methodist. I don't think they care that I don't believe. I do get why you're going (and I do remember you discussing it previously). I'm going for the same reason, but thank goodness we got out of the fundamentalist church we were in. At least I have that. No self-respecting evangelical would be caught dead in a United Methodist church! It's amazing to watch from the inside, right? The couple responded very even-highhandedly, considering the church's over the top response. It would be great to send them a card -- even anonymously!
  3. This is so profound for me, in that I've not considered the "bundle" idea. You're right, we do accept the "package." I've come to the conclusion, even though my deconversion and recovery from religion is still ongoing, that I'm not interested in "peddlers of hate" from any organization. On the atheist side as well of the Christian side, there are plenty of those. At this point, I just want to live in peace, and enjoy what life I have left. I've give too much, for too long, to those with agendas that don't match my own. Gone are the days of meekly swallowing the bullshit, just to be accepted -- no matter who is selling it.
  4. My new life verse: Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." So who says there's not great material in the Bible?!! Best answer I found in a Christian (yes, Christian) questions forum: "Because man cares about genital size, and man created God in his image." Glad that got cleared up!
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    God....and Prayers.

    I agree @Lerk it is sad. I think I was in that place in my last years as a Christian. I couldn't look at the *actual* God of the Bible, because that would mean I had to look at my "Good God" as one that ordered genocide, yet was still "good." That feels intellectually dishonest, so it's easier not to look at it. In the end, I could hardly look anywhere else. All I could see was inconsistencies in the way I, and others, saw this "good" God. I've been going through a really tough time these past few weeks. I'm slowly realizing that mind control worked on me, for a long, long time. Now I have to pick up the pieces, and live to the fullest, for as long as I have. At least I'm free.
  6. I actually believed "god" was listening to every single thought I had. I'd go to bed every night, running over my entire day (including thoughts) and pray for forgiveness for everything that was considered a sin. I lived this way for 25 years. I'll probably spend another 25 trying to figure out why I believed this.
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    Google "process addiction." That's what you're describing with the phone and sugary food. It shares some characteristics with a substance/chemical addiction, but it's different. You sound like you already know it's a problem. If you're not open to therapy, maybe doing some online research will help.
  8. Well, speaking as a former worship team member..... and I would like to note that was not allowed to be a worship team LEADER....... I'm pretty happy that I don't have to play guitar under the leadership of someone with far less talent than I have. Of course, I'm not playing guitar right now.... lots to work out there... but I digress. I no longer have to worry that as a woman, I'm not qualified to teach a man. I no longer have to hide the fact that I'm divorced from a short-lived, abusive marriage 18 years ago, that evidently, disqualifies me for even participating on said worship team. I no longer have to have to couch every idea I come up with as "probably not a good idea but...." so I'm being properly submissive to my male church leaders. I no longer have only knitting, sewing, and scrapbooking events to choose from in my spare time, because evidently, that's the deepest Christian women go in ministry ideas. That's just the first things that came to me in the moments I took to write this. I'm sure there's more.
  9. @JenniferG thank you! I just looked him up on Youtube! This sounds like it would be perfect for where I am right now.
  10. You know, I have a theory about this.... I think it's got to be that Christianity operates and survives by teaching "black and white" thinking. Something is either "all good" or "all bad." Therefore, something is either "of God" or "of the Devil." This stage of cognitive development is usually grown out of in early adolescence (although I do know some adults that operate this way). It's an immature way to view the world. But then again, Jesus did say that were to "be like little children." Mission accomplished.
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    God....and Prayers.

    @Positivist thank you! I'm reading up a storm these days, and I am devouring anything and everything to help me understand how I was so entrenched inside this religion for so many years. I'm off to Amazon to put it on my Wishlist!
  12. Bingo. So, the (circular reasoning) is this: God is not to be questioned. He is God. When he does horrible things like, oh, say... genocide...ordering murder.... then it's "righteous anger." When we do that, it's a sin. God doesn't make mistakes, ever, but we are failed human beings the minute we come out of the womb (original sin). We're screwed, and God is never wrong. I am so glad I'm out of that manipulative mind-you-know-what. Good riddance.
  13. @TruthSeeker0 I relate to this SO much. I had (what I thought were) meaningful, close relationships in my church. When I left, so did the friendships. I would say I was shocked that happened, but I used to be one of them. I know why they don't want to associate with non-Christians in close friendships. It says a hell of a lot about them and the fear-based religion they are in. I would of still been friends, in a heartbeat. I'm not a shallow person, and yet I evidently had shallow friendships, easily dropped. It sucks.
  14. I'm a hockey fan, so I like you already! (Go Kings Go!) I'm so sorry to hear about your marriage -- that's got to be so hard. I just started listening to Humanize Me and I absolutely love it. I found it by accident from another related podcast, and I was surprised to learn about Bart and his exit from Christianity. I had no idea! I have a connection to his father through a good friend of mine, who is good friends with Tony. I've met him on various occasions when he was visiting my friend. That was in the 1990s and I can remember thinking "how liberal" he was. That's hilarious now... but that was the mindset of my very evangelical mind. Listening to Bart, and hearing his story has been amazing. I want to see the documentary he and his dad did, but haven't plunked down the $14.99 that Amazon wants. But soon. Hang in there and thanks for blogging. I so appreciate it.
  15. I may look into the Yoga thing. Thanks for explaining how you've been finding your way in that. I'd be interested in the Youtube channel (if you happen to see my comment!) I also am at the point of feeling that the soul is a made up invention of man. I don't have any spiritual desire at all. I may grow out of that with time, and maybe find something, but who knows. I'll tell you one benefit that I immediately had -- enjoying each day and appreciating those around me. I'm much more in the moment, probably because I now realize this life is all I get. And weirdly, I don't see that as a bad thing -- rather -- it's freeing!
  16. I hear you @offtheromanroad This is actually one of the core issues that caused me to walk out the door. The very people that Jesus hung out with are demonized as "the other" in Western Christianity. It's sickening. I have trouble getting past the rage some days. Of course, I'm fresh off the turnip truck as they say, so I'm still raw.
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    God....and Prayers.

    I came from the flavor of evangelical Christianity where God was intricately involved in every aspect of my life. God was interested in getting me a better job, finding me a husband, and clearing out a primo parking space at Trader Joes. Oh yes, He was blessing me every. single. day. The conversations would go like this: "God blessed me big time today. You know that dress I really wanted to my anniversary dinner? It went on sale! I mean, God knows how tight money is with us, and I just can't believe He would make a way for me to be able to buy it." Or, "God just knew I needed a phone call from (whomever) today. He just knows exactly what I need." You get the idea. I just knew that God was interested in every single detail of my life. Pure Western Christianity ego-centrism. So now, let's juxtapose this with the prayers of a refugee in a war torn country. Afraid for their children, they're praying desperately for a way out that never comes. Or the mother with the child who is desperately ill and in pain. Does that child get relief from the very real pain? What about the dying child? These seem like answer-worthy prayers. In fact, they seem (and mind you, I'm just a human, so I can't claim to know God's priorities), those prayers seem like they might just outrank the dress going on sale, or the best parking spot He decided to bless you with. I have two thoughts about this. One: When God fails to answer our prayers, he's got a mighty "get out of jail free" card. It's called His Will. When worthy prayers are not answered, then it's His "mysterious will." God is not to be questioned. His ways are higher than ours. You know the drill. However, when he finds me a parking spot, he gets all the praise. How many Christians ever stop to think how incredibly self-centered they sound as they make the (supposed) God of the Universe their personal prayer bitch? Did they ever stop and think about the really horrible things that happen to people in this world, whose prayers go completely and totally unanswered? Two: Wow and double wow for your close personal relationship with God. He's intimately involved in every aspect of your thoughts and your life, and He's always going before you to make a way and bless you. Did it ever occur to you that your life is actually blessed by virtue of where and to whom you were born? DIdn't think so. So the next time your Christian buddy thinks being religionless makes you selfish, this might be a good object lesson to bring up.
  18. @SkipNChurch this plugin has seriously changed my Facebook feed. I donated to them two days after installing! I had no idea about this tool, and I'm so grateful you mentioned it. (Plus I love the idea of using a purity tool to block all the purity people!)
  19. I thought about that yesterday.... it's like I'm in this whole new world where I'm learning that some of the most quoted scriptures have spotty origins. I go back and forth between feeling stupid, getting angry about it and then happy that I'm free from it.
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    Inaugural Entry

    I hear you. I'm attending a United Methodist Church with my husband to keep the peace, and because he wants our teenage son to continue to have that experience. He knows I don't believe, and he knows our son doesn't believe anymore either. But, there is something to be said for keeping family peace. And I guess family traditions. I agree with you, it's easier to keep relationships intact this way. The church we are in is inclusive to all people and very liberal, theologically so I'm OK with it.
  21. It's amazing when you think about it that way, right? Incest was OK, until it wasn't. Polygamy was OK, until it wasn't. Concubines were OK, until they weren't. And the way Christianity explains this away as "cultural at the time" is stunning. They act like on the one hand that we should excuse the Bible on the grounds "that was the culture at the time" but at the same time, their own holy books says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16. It's actually hilarious to see that they don't even get how they hold two competing ideas as truth at the same time.
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    Inaugural Entry

    Yep, I named the blog after the song, because I really do feel like so much got better when I finally let go of the mythology for good. I'm not out either (also to avoid conflict). But yes, I'm doing juuuuuuust fine! Or, closer to fine anyway!
  23. Best thing I've read all day: How do you get past the fact that the Old Testament reads just like the blog of an early Iron Age tribe rather than the wisdom of the omniscient creator of the universe?


    Source here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/06/25-stupid-arguments-christians-should-avoid-part-1/

  24. Mind = blown. I had NO idea! I looked it up. It was Bart Ehrman, Orthodox Corruption, p. 91. (I have Google skills!) You know, this is exactly the problem. The "scribes" have had thousands of years to either fix up, or produce reams of commentary, to obfuscate the obvious. The Bible has all kinds of consistency issues. And adulteration throughout the centuries. I'll just add this to my growing heap of knowledge. This is a good one! Thanks! OH! And P.S. --- It also creates a "Jesus can't be divine" problem too! If he and the father are one, "he is in me and I am in him," as Jesus said, then how would HE himself not know? (Cue the theologians screaming that Jesus "gave up his divinity while on earth" so he wouldn't have known.) I know all the arguments.... lol.
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