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  1. Best thing I've read all day: How do you get past the fact that the Old Testament reads just like the blog of an early Iron Age tribe rather than the wisdom of the omniscient creator of the universe?


    Source here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/06/25-stupid-arguments-christians-should-avoid-part-1/

  2. Anti-intellectualism at its finest. I actually bought this book, and ageeed with all her teachings at one point. 


    The problem is that the “Christian tribe” see questions and inquiry as “cracks in your faith”, not healthy growth. 


    You are shamed and shut down. 


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    2. JenniferG


      "Quit asking questions and you won't be Confused."

      Yep, sacrifice your brain on the alter of ignorance!

      A prayer counselor - oh pardon me, in modern parlance he is called a "Prayer Coach" specializing in healing of emotional pain 🤮 told me I was thinking too much when I told him I doubted that I "know" Jesus. This was the same dude who told me Jesus was right there when I was molested as a kid! For a good person to do and say something wicked it takes religion, to loosely quote Christopher Hitchens (when Rabbi Kushner joked about circumcision of small children)

    3. Riven


      @JenniferG oh man...... talk about messed up. What a double message, right? I've always wondered why leaders in the church came down so hard on questioners. It's because the religion can't stand up to inquiry. Who knew?! (Well, we do now!)

  3. Christians are very big on calling the Bible a “blueprint for living.”  So then why is it hazy about whether you should rip kids from their parents,  but perfectly clear about the prohibition of baking gay people a cake? #situationalethics 

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    2. Riven


      Well, in the evangelical world I came from, it's referred to as a "blueprint for living" quite often. In fact, it's drilled into you.

    3. RealityCheck


      Yes, I've seen the term used before.  It's quite stupid really, most of the bible pertains to events that supposedly transpired way before your birth or will after you're dead.  Anything actually pertaining to living is relegated to a few outdated commandments or some parable babbling by Jesus.

    4. Riven


      Well, the problem enters in when the church begins justifying actions by using examples from Biblical history. I mean, there’s war, killing, rape, conquering other lands and people.. etc. Plenty of bad stuff to choose from. But I hear ya! 

  4. I’m slowly reading through the testimony section. I hope everyone knows how important this section is to people like me. I need to know I’m not alone in my experiences and thoughts. 

  5. “One of the most amazing and perplexing features of mainstream Christianity is that seminarians who learn the historical-critical method in their Bible classes appear to forget all about it when it comes time for them to be pastors. They are taught critical approaches to Scripture, they learn about the discrepancies and contradictions, they discover all sorts of historical errors and mistakes, they come to realize that it is difficult to know whether Moses existed or what Jesus actually said and did, they find that there are other books that were at one time considered canonical but that ultimately did not become part of Scripture (for example, other Gospels and Apocalypses), they come to recognize that a good number of the books of the Bible are pseudonymous (for example, written in the name of an apostle by someone else), that in fact we don't have the original copies of any of the biblical books but only copies made centuries later, all of which have been altered. They learn all of this, and yet when they enter church ministry they appear to put it back on the shelf. For reasons I will explore in the conclusion, pastors are, as a rule, reluctant to teach what they learned about the Bible in seminary.”
    Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible & Why We Don't Know About Them
    And this my friends, is why the masses in the church, down through the ages, know nothing about the historical origins of their so-called "sacred, god-breathed" scripture they deify as the fourth member of the trinity.
    1. sdelsolray


      Ehrman's observation is accurate and insightful.  I would add that there are many preachers, pastors and similar "I am the authority" hucksters that have not spent years to earn college degrees in theology or related fields, and have invested no time whatsoever with/in/around schools of learning.

    2. Riven


      True! I'm sure they have no problem finding devotees, either. 🙄

  6. Ugh!! Typo in my latest post title, and I can’t seem to edit it. I guess posting from a cell phone is problematic. 😬

    1. disillusioned


      It can be. Editing powers are granted when you lose the "new member" tag.

    2. Riven


      Oh, OK! Well then, I’d better proofread until then! 🤨

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