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  1. I dont think assemblies of God is the same. I was in The Church of God of the Gospel assembly which was an offshoot of the church of God of the Union assembly. They were very much a cult until the eighties when their beliefs on faith healing caused a child to die with curable cancer. They are the reason why there are federal laws now to protect children from those types of doctrines.
  2. Well Blah, You'll never get undeniable evidence there is no God whatsoever. One reason I keep myself open to the possibility. But you have already seen that the biblical God isn't a mirror image of the biblical description. The Bible says anything you ask in my name it shall be granted. That's a promise right? But I've seen countless unanswered prayers that end up getting pushed off as it must not have been in God's plan or I guess I had doubt when I prayed. Blah blah blah. But thats not what the Bible reflects. What about faith as a mustard seed? Mustard seeds are super small. Giving the perception that even if you doubt just as long as you have a little faith your prayer will get through. Your concept of sin comes from the Bible. Sin in the Bible us based on ancient beliefs. Specific ancient beliefs of a very strict people. I believe that if you follow the golden rule then your good. Premarital sex isn't Sin its nature. Being gay isn't Sin, it's preference. Drinking isn't Sin but can be bad if you become an addict. The Bible never says anything about cocain, opium, marijuana, or meth because they weren't used like they are now. One example how the Bible is based on ancient peoples beliefs and not some all knowing God. If the biblical God was all knowing then those drugs should be in there right? The bottom line is. I won't tell your or try to convince you there is no God. But I will tell you that beyond a shadow of a doubt if there is a God it isn't the biblical God. The Bible fails in all points. Just because a large portion of the world's population believes in it doesn't mean that it isn't a myth. 2000 years ago most the world was convinced there were multiple Gods in some form or another. You wouldn't argue that those beliefs were fact, right? Then why think that any belief is true? Maybe God is just God and we simple minded humans have just always made up stories that made sense at the time. According to what their EXTREMELY uneducated minds could comprehend. DB
  3. This is what I do. I Hope for more than this life. But I know the odds aren't in favor of it. Hope is nice tho. When I play the lottery. I hope to win millions of dollars. For a brief time I'm allowed to think about all the stuff I would buy and things I would do. But in the end. I never win. But it's still nice to have that hope. Maybe that's me not being able to fully let go. But I dont hope for heaven. Not my ideal afterlife anyway. So meh. I'm me and that's all I can be.
  4. Well Margee I really hope this is a classic case of young dumb teenage bullshit and that he pulls himself out of that path of destruction. Unfortunately we can give sound advise, we can love em, and we can be there for them when they come back. But we can't make them make the right decision. It'd be nice if we could. I'm glad you wrote it. These are the types of things any of us could be faced with as we get older. I will be devastated aswell if my children or future grandchildren have to face what yours have. It sounds like they have a rock to lean on in you. Your a tough woman. Keep putting on those gloves and kicking ass . Because your not allowed to go either. In a way it kinda makes me feel bad for my mom. She's seen me go through more than one divorce. Seems every time I think I've found the one, it ends up failing. Me n ExBishop are still trying to mend fences but I often wander if she will ever accept me as I am now. And now my mom also has to deal with the thought of me losing my faith. She is very much a fundamentalist Christian. So I'm sure that puts some stress on her soul that like you, she doesn't allow me to see. Thank you and your welcome. We love you too Margee.
  5. This is what I'm striving for as well. I think I did an OK Job with my boys. Probably could have been better. With everything going on in life I feel like I'm slacking with my daughter. The past few years it's been easy to get self consumed, losing family members, friends, dealing with covid, I've tried to step back lately and realize she was going through all that too, on top of her brothers moving out while we were divorcing. That all had to be rough. So I've been spending more time when I can with her. In the end I feel like that is ultimately how we live on. We influence those we are closest to the most. They will carry on traits and pieces of our personality to instill in others just as others from the past have passed on their values, personalities, etc to those that influenced us to be who we are. So even if our consciousness goes away. We are still here. I hope for a conscious afterlife. But I know that's probably not gonna happen.
  6. I didn't think this was as loaded a question as it is. The thought hadn't occured about being ready to just get it over with because of a rough life or body aches and pains. Well It did with the aches and pains. But I was thinking like extreme pain and suffering from cancer or something. But yeah as much as I hurt sometimes now. Im Sure it will be rough 30 years from now. And after I lose some close loved ones. I guess it gets hard to stay motivated. My great uncle passed a couple months ago. He had alzhiemers real bad, and had already lost his son and wife. He was beyond ready to go. He started refusing his rehab treatments and stopped eating. It wasn't long after that. I actually inherited his masonic memorabilia. My mom was worried that he might not be "saved" because he never went to church. But he was a good man. And I know he believed in something at some point. Not that it really matters. I know he isn't suffering in hell. I'm sorry about all the suffering you go through everyday. I had no idea. (Guess that's that's point huh?) Well you have definitely done your part in spreading kindness toward me and bringing a smile on my face. Ever since my first post you've been nothing but kind and probably even had to bite your tongue at times to stay kind lol. So.e of my views can be controversial lol. Thank you Margee for being you. Well I hope you have many more years to come. Yeah stuff happens. But we can't plan for that stuff. If that happens it'll probably be over before I know it anyway. No time to really think about it other than a quick, "oh shit!!" Or "Fuck didn't see this one coming". I'm more concerned about the long progress of old age and terminal illness. Your thoughts when you know time is short. I really hope you find some happiness to live for. In the great scheme of things your 60s seems young to wish for death. Maybe that's because my mom is in her 60s and I would hate for her to die. Im a bit of a mommas boy. At the same time I'm not in your shoes. I have all of my family still. I would probably have trouble myself if they were all gone. DB
  7. I'm hoping I have a good attitude like that when I know my time is near. I've only been truly deconverted 4 years now. By the time I've been deconverted 34 years or so. I'm sure I will have a stronger resolve. As long as my mental faculties are intact anyway. I didn't realize you had stage 4 cancer. Are the doctors hopeful for remission or is that off the table now?
  8. Hey Everyone, I have a question, primarily for our older members in the forums. I was talking to my uncle the other day, who is also Agnostic but was never really an indoctrinated Christian. He did go to the altar, pray, and later get baptized. But it was at his mother's request at the time. Not from his own volition. We were talking and he mentioned that as he is getting older the consciousness of his mortality is coming more to the forefront. And that knowing that there is probably no afterlife bothers him at times. So I was kinda thinking on that a few days later. I pictured my possible death based on the family deaths I've witnessed. My children standing around a hospital bed. Older, about my age now. Picturing myself 70-80 years old. Taking my last breath and even now in my early 40s the thought tickled the back of my brain, "What if I am wrong", which is crazy, I mean I've seen in multiple ways already how the Bible and its teachings are all made up. But that childhood indoctrination and later adult indoctrination is still back there in the recesses of my mind. One of my worries is getting dementia or alzheimers and reverting back to my earlier Christian life as the disease progresses. Or like my thoughts about my possible death. Laying there knowing I'm dying and having last minute fears. Do any of you have thoughts like that cross your consciousness like I did? I know seajay had a similar thread in got questions. I guess mine pertains more to how mortality affects your thoughts as our window of life on earth closes in our later years. As an exchristian, having been indoctrinated in the past. I ask because that is a path every one of us will eventually have to walk. Best regards, DB
  9. Final update on my second dose. Only had soreness and a mild headache. Everything has cleared up. No other issues. I'll let ya know if anything weird happens.
  10. There is also the argument here that if everyone doesn't wear them and wear them properly then they aren't really doing any good. That's what makes mask wearing useless right now in this area. If there are only 10 people in a store filled with 100 plus people, the masks arent doing much at all. I agree that if everyone would wear them that it would be a good thing. It's just not happening here right now. I literally saw a fundy friend post a meme that said if God says it's your time there is no amount of masks or handsanitizer that's going to save you. That's the type of mentality that we are dealing with from the fundy Christians around here. My mom said, " If it's your time to go it's your time. We ain't gonna die until the good lord wants us to. " Ugh. Ya see logical. That's what we are dealing with here. I know multiple people that are in that mind set. And they are fighting mad about possibly being forced to take the vaccine. If you've heard a conspiracy about the vaccine. I guarantee I know someone that believes it as gospel truth. Even down to the "it's gonna kill you in 3-5 years" BS. I've heard it all. Nanobots, population reduction, magnets sticking injection sites, chips, big pharma conspiracies, Govt. Conspiracies, I'm surrounded by stupid here. Atleast I just wanted to see better numbers before I took it. Better numbers came out and now I support the vaccine. I even support mask wearing if everyone would do it.
  11. If you can distribute masks and get people to wear them, do they work?" ^ taken from article ^ This is the trick. I dont think any of us doubt that IF everyone wore masks that it would cut down the spread of germs. I saw that last year. Other than my experience getting covid I didn't get sick with anything last year other than allergies. The problem is getting EVERYONE to wear them. And possibly just important is getting them to wear them correctly. Everyone is sick of wearing masks and especially here in the south there aren't many people wearing them anymore. On top of that, what are we to do about the potential for contracting covid from an animal. Say we all wear masks for the next 4 years, we all get vaccinated, and we get numbers down to manageable lows. Low enough for us to feel safe again. We tak off the masks and boom. We start getting flare up everywhere and they find that it's from the animal population? Do we wear masks the rest of our lives then? Ugh I hope not. I'm not saying we shouldn't wear masks. But if we don't all wear masks. Its almost pointless.
  12. @Joshpantera I'm sorry for your loss. It sucks. It really does, this virus kills so fast if it gets in the right person. I wish my parents would get the shot. Apparently someone around here is giving an alternative treatment for those that become infected. My dad told me about it. I think its that stuff they were trying to treat it with last year. Next morning after the shot. My arm is really sore and feels weak like I expected. Had a slight headache earlier. And I feel lethargic. Same as last time. Other than that I'm good.
  13. I dont know how true it is. Bit in the debate I posted ehrman actually says that evidence of structures in Nazareth at the time have been found. Like I said I haven't looked that up to verify. Bit he snacks pruce on the hand about it during the debate. There is also the possibility that he was a Nazarene like Samson. And that was old testament. Maybe it was confused. I dunno. But thats still a possibility. Carrier and ehrman really do need to have a debate.
  14. Ok. Well I guess it's my turn to let everyone know how it goes with me. Just took my 2nd dose of pfizer a few hours ago. So far no ill side effects other than a slightly sore arm which I'm sure will get worse like it did with the first shot. I'll let yall know how it progresses. I'm expecting it to be much like the last shot.
  15. Just because we don't believe in the Bible or christianity anymore doesn't mean we jump to another religion. Some of us like @Joshpantera have given a lot of thought and contemplation on having spirituality without believing in a God. I have not ruled out the possibility of a supernatural aspect of spirituality. I have my hopes as to how I would personally prefer the afterlife to be. But those are just hopes without any foundation. I know that most likely after my eyes close for the last time there is probably nothing after that. But I have hope that there is. If not.. I will never know the differenc and I'm ok with that. I have plans that I am content with whether there is an afterlife or not. You haven't posted in a few days. Have you already grown bored with us? It would be nice to have a more in depth conversation with you, where both sides glean information from each other.
  16. Ill just have to read this book I guess. It sounds like nonsense to me right now. Maybe if I read it I can get a better grasp on what he is trying to say. I personally think that if there was no historical christ the most down to earth conclusion would be that the author known as Paul made it all up and was the Joseph Smith of his time. If there was a historical Jesus then he would be the Joseph Smith. I could certainly imagine Paul spreading these new ideas to the Jewish people. And his whole back story may have been false. Maybe he just told people how he persecuted the Christians and tortured them and christ struck him blind, and so on. We all know the story. I can absolutely see that. But this alien theory of his. Maybe his terminology could be better. When I think aliens. I watch A LOT of sci-fi. So my mind goes to any number of movies or TV shows I've watched. If we go back to creation this is the basic concept of most religions right? I'm guessing that the heaven of heavens is where Carrier is saying Jesus came from right? On a side note. Can you believe this stupidity is coming back with the flat earth movement. Fucking aye that is so messed up. Thousands of years of science and astronomy just thrown out the window. Anyway I don't think using the terminology outer space and aliens is a good thing. For me it makes it confusing. That makes me think he believes Jesus gets in his space craft and flies down to earth etc. From my own personal studies of the Bible the whole point of those scriptures was to tell people that he was a man just like you or I. That is what makes Jesus so appealing. This makes him relatable. That he was a man, born of a woman, tempted in all points just as we are, yet without sin. I mean, that is the basis of the whole doctrine. He was a man, he suffered as a man, his own people turned his back on him, he was betrayed by his friend, I mean the list goes on. He wept when Lazarus died. Every bit of it is to make you feel like Jesus is just like you. Tempted and tried. And if he can live without sin. You can too. It's hard for me to see how Christianity could have exploded like it did if they were worshipping some extraterrestrial that never was on earth. But like I said. I need to read the book for myself. I'll try to start it this week. Maybe if I read it as a whole some of it will click.
  17. I saw one of my fundy friends on FB post this aswell. I couldn't help but reply and let her know that in the higher learning colleges such as Harvard where they study the original fragments, that the contrast from what they believed growing up and what they realise was the original text is so different that many lose their faith. And would need such a chaplain that understands what they are going through. I've been becoming more open about my non belief on FB lately. I'm tired of hiding it. Hell I'm tired of seeing the everybody pray for such n such posts too. If they don't want to be my friend because I no longer believe. Well..... Adios. I gotta live my life now.
  18. @Joshpantera This really makes me wish the big guys like Carrier, price, and Ehrman would visit this site and hash it out. I mean we can speculate all day long. But these guys are the ones that have access to all the data. We probably get a drop in the bucket compared to what they see. I'm sure there is carbon dating data on the fragments of scripture that can truly tell us what time period they are from. That could easily dispel the idea that marcion fabricated the Pauline epistles. What I gathered from Ehrmans book. Forgeries and counter forgeries the accepted Pauline epistles were already in circulation in the church during marcions time. But he believes some of the epistles that have been proven not to be authentic Pauline epistles were written by marcion and others to sway the church to accept their views as truth. I dont understand how that wasn't considered heresy. I guess they never got caught. Most people couldn't even read back then. So write a letter in Paul's name that reflect your views. Rub it in dirt, make it look authentic and TADA!!! Now marcion can say. See I told ya so. Even Paul said it. I think I'm going to go back and read Mark and the 7 accepted Pauline epistles sometime and just try to reflect on how different Christianity would be today if those were the only books they could draw from.
  19. Well I'll be damned your right. Bless his heart. He's using it all wrong. And my grammar is way off. I thought it was spelled slew. But using phonics. Sa-lew is definitely the correct spelling. Thanks Prof.
  20. Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't they recent discovered evidence of an actual king david lately? I think if any two biblical characters were real it would be king david and Solomon. Ofcourse just as Jesus. They have a lot of legend mixed in. Mostly on David's side. Other than the wisdom of God thing. Solomon sounds like most kings in history. Now this is an idea I've entertained myself. I can see this. Paul was the supposed persecutors of Christians and trained in the law. He would have known enough about the law and prophets to create the Christian religion all on his own.
  21. Well thats what I thought. But I dont know anyone in the south that has never heard "The Devil went down to GA" and "salue" is not a common word here.
  22. Guess this is a common problem on both sides of the fence. For Christians the Bible says so many different things that it is ultimately the most popular book of chaos and confusion. Even tho God is not the author of confusion. Right? So in the end all Christians are left to branch off into personal opinions as to what they believe the scripture really says. Just as scholars are left to their own opinions on what the historical truth is. Ultimately, as I stated before. It doesn't really matter. Either way the Bible fails 100 percent of the time. Whether there was a historical Jesus or not. It doesn't really matter when from cover to cover the whole book is proven to be a sham.
  23. I found this on Wikipedia. It is pretty much verbatim what Ehrman said of carrier during the debate: New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman writes that Carrier is one of only two scholars with relevant graduate credentials who argues against the historicity of Jesus.[87] Discussing Carrier's theory that some Jews believed in a "humiliated messiah" prior to the existence of Christianity, Ehrman criticizes Carrier for "idiosyncratic" readings of the Old Testament that ignore modern critical scholarship on the Bible.[88] Ehrman concludes by saying "[w]e do not have a shred of evidence to suggest that any Jew prior to the birth of Christianity anticipated that there would be a future messiah who would be killed for sins—or killed at all—let alone one who would be unceremoniously destroyed by the enemies of the Jews, tortured and crucified in full public view. This was the opposite of what Jews thought the messiah would be."[89] Ehrman has also publicly addressed Carrier's use of Bayes' Theorem, stating that "most historians simply don't think you can do history that way." He said he only knows of two historians who have used Bayes' Theorem, Carrier and Richard Swinburne, and noted the irony of the fact that Swinburne used it to prove Jesus was raised from the dead. Ehrman rejected both Carrier and Swinburne's conclusions, but conceded that he was unqualified to assess specifics about how they applied the theorem. "I'm not a statistician myself. I've had statisticians who tell me that both people are misemploying it, but I have no way of evaluating it."
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