DarkBishop

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  1. First off I just want to say you are doing a great job purplelilac, From what you just said I can tell that you both are deeply in love with each other so keep that in mind. You said that his grief and sadness is growing (and honestly maybe even fear) From my perspective it looks like his is taking this very hard as well. And fears for you soul and not being able to be with you in heaven. Since he still believes in heaven that is a big thing for him. It has been the same with my wife as well. I don't know how long you have been going through this but it took almost 2 years before my wife was able to start accepting my new position. I really feel now like the trust is growing again between us even though she knows I don't believe anymore. You also stated that you want to grow old with him. Hold to the good times that you and him have had through your years together. It wasn't just a mutual faith in god that brought you two together. While that was common ground for a long time there was more. Focus on the more that you have together rather than the lost faith that you both shared. It is great that you both have agreed to do counseling to get past this hard time in your marriage. I wish you both the best of luck in working through this. Dark Bishop
  2. Ok i'm trying to understand where your coming from here. Are you still playing devils advocate? or are you a believer. I've already said that there is no reasoning with fundamentalist logic and that is all I saw in your last post. It is almost impossible for a fundy to think rationally or critically about their religion. It takes something to finally click before they can open their minds. I think most of us know that. But to go along with what your saying. Basically the all knowing, all powerful, eternal god who wants "Everyone" to come to know him completely erased any proof of his past exploits? Thats about as irrational as it gets. That is fundamentalist rationality and can not be argued against. The basis for their conclusion is founded completely on the excuse that their imagination has dreamed up. Just like my justification for the earth being over 7000 years old. At that point I would have to ask them that if they so whole heartedly believe that science is wrong and the bible is right to please prove science wrong. The bible in no way can prove that science is wrong. But scientific research and the absence of evidence does prove the biblical account to be wrong. 2 million people and their livestock can not travel anywhere and not leave a mark. Yes there would have been broken pottery, there would have been post holes where the tents and tabernacle were placed. there would be trash. there would be bones of dead people and dead animals, there would have been all the evidence of life that every other culture on the face of earth has left behind in the past. And to conclude that their "God" just erased all the evidence is ludicrous. Even in their own bible their god is supposedly "not the author of confusion". Would erasing all evidence not be the ultimate way to confuse everyone who may have believed on him otherwise? Does that not mean then that he really doesn't want "everyone" to come to him? Because if he really did want everyone to come to him then he would also us to know him. But that isn't the case is it? Dark Bishop
  3. No I don't underestimate the ability of humans to be stubborn in their beliefs. You are right there is no debating hard core religious logic. The first thing that made me question the biblical account was when I saw the moon through a telescope. I said so myself; "there is no way that is only 7000 years old." I guess seeing was unbelieving for me. LOL. I finally reconciled that in my Christian mind that the 6 days of creation were not 6 24 hour days but 6 Eras that could have lasted millions of years each. That was me being a stubborn Christian. As far as the normal questions you mentioned I would have to quote the biblical account and ask them to reconcile that to me without reducing the reported number of people that were involved in the exodus. There is no way that 2 million people could have wondered in the desert for 40 years, God doing all the remarkable things he supposedly did, and it not leave a mark that archaeologists couldn't find. I would have to say how is the absence of evidence not proof that either: 1. It was a made up story or 2. the group was much much smaller and didn't do all the things reported (which means the "word of God isn't inerrant") Either way it has to be a blow to the Christian psyche. The fact that it couldn't be supported by historical proof at it's very foundations is what made me deconvert. It's easy to throw in a few real names like pontious pilate, Herod, Rameses, Etc and then make up a completely bullshit story around it. And it appears that is exactly what happened. DB
  4. The specific instances that I was mentioning are the one's where the bible has stated events in history that 150 years or more of research have not been able to prove ever happened. Yes there are a lot of metaphorical teachings in the bible. But there are whole stories in the old testament that have absolutely no historical proof to back them. When one side is saying it isn't there and the other side is making apologies for why it isn't there then yes it can be proven. No I don't know ancient hebrew. Like most people I have my own area of expertise that I do for a living and studying Hebrew isn't one of them. archaeology isn't one of them either. All I can do is research and verify that these people are in fact professionals in their fields and read the studies that they have done. 150 years of research and researchers coming up to the same conclusions are enough proof for me. DB
  5. Ok here is a serious answer. The truth is that the gospels were written well after Jesus' death and also after most anyone who was alive at the time. Every word in the gospels is from second hand accounts. The oldest gospel is considered to be Mark which didn't have a geneology. Basically for the scriptures used to justify the story of Jesus being the son of God on earth to be true he had to be traced back to David as the Old testament scriptures had said. I'm sure that the scriptures that the early christians were quoting were coming under heavy scrutiny especially by anyone who was actually Jewish. This is probably an example of one of the first attempts at a cover up for the holes in the christian narrative. OOOooooo I know lets write another gospel with his family tree on it so they will know that he was also the son of David. So they knew a few of Davids descendants made up a few then popped ole Joseph or Mary in there and boom. See Jesus is the Son of David. There are forgeries all over the new testament that were written for various reasons. Mostly to promote one doctrin over another. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that these bogus geneologies were written to give the Jesus narrative some credibility with the ignorant masses and to attempt to strengthen the already shaky foundations of the new testament. Dark Bishop
  6. Ok in my life I think I can figure this one out pretty quick. More than likely Mary and Joseph had been on a date one night..... Maybe had a few cups of wine to many. They probably got a little hot and heavy but didn't want to take it to far before marriage. So they split ways. However Joseph's best friend who had been with them that night saw how tore up and horny Mary was and offered to teach her how to please Joseph on her wedding night. To bad her parents didn't tell her where baby's come from or that there is a way to tell if someone is a virgin or not. So Joseph's best friend who was a descendant of David actually impregnated Mary. When Mary realized that she was pregnant with Josephs best friends baby and that she would be soon labeled a whore and stoned to death, she told Joseph that it was God's. She also convinced the best friend to get Joseph high on acid one night. While Joseph was tripping on acid he dressed up like a heavenly angel and appeared to Joseph declaring that Mary's baby truly was the son of God and that it was a virgin birth. After that Joseph married Mary and claimed sweet baby Jesus as his own with all the evidence of Mary's unfaithfulness being obliterated by the birth of his best friends baby. Hence the birth of Jesus and how he truly is the son of David. They really botched the cover up with that family history though. DB Sorry just having a little fun. Thought ya might enjoy the humor
  7. MWC made a great point. about changing the constitution at this time after so many changes already. Most of the previous changes expanded rights which is a good thing. Slaves were freed, everyone except felons eventually got the right to vote, It was because of our constitution that the LGBT community are able to marry now. It's when they start restricting rights that it gets hard to swallow. In our current political environment with two parties that obviously can not be trusted it's like letting them play Russian roulette with our liberties. Until we can get a congress that is more transparent and trustworthy there shouldn't be anymore changes. I don't think anyone around the world could blame us for not trusting our govt. DB
  8. ooooo your right. we would be surrounded by ocean. No need for a wall. How do you keep those awful Ausie's from getting in a boat and coming to NZ? Can I bring all my guns? DB
  9. Well if LF comes here i can get him citizen ship in the GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH (insert dramatic echo here) DB
  10. @LogicalFallacy @Burnedout, Have you guys ever thought about getting married? LMAO!!! DB
  11. You make a good point. Your right it can be changed. I personally think that the bill of rights shouldn’t be be touched as they are the most basic of American rights. And the whole purpose of the second amendment was to guarantee that we would have the tools necessary to fight for our rights again if needed. The second amendment is already the most restricted and most changed of all the original rights in the bill. It is my pet right. I will not vote for someone who is against gun rights. In my mind as long as we have the right to weapons we have a chance to win our rights back if we need to. I see the attack on guns as the first step to taking away all our other rights. But to your point, yes it can be changed and has been. And has been down played to the right to self defense rather than it’s intended meaning in the beginning. It wasn’t about self defense as much as it was about protecting the nations liberty. I know that it will be changed in the future. I don’t know how it will play out. I doubt confiscation would be in the vocabulary when it happens. They have groomed the generation coming up that guns are bad. They are almost ready to start voting. It’s just a matter of time. Dark Bishop
  12. Well since it was me looking for evidence (and not finding it)of the OT signs that finalized my deconversion process. No the word made flesh isn’t a very good sign. Especially since their isn’t much proof for the word made flesh’s existence also. However er because of my indoctrination at one point last year I did almost have a relapse. Surprised the hell out of me lmao. But I was VERY specific with my request. I was a dumbass the day before and watched one of those damn sappy Christian tear jerkers. The next day I went to my wife’s church for their home coming. Honestly I just wanted some good church food. I love that shit. It’s like going to a country all you can eat buffet for FREE. Well they had a guest speaker who was the original pastor. You could tell at times during the service he was starting to get ahlzhiemers. But at the end of the sermon all those emotions started flooding back and I made a request that if God really were real and if that really was his messenger for him to come to me and talk to me. I even had a specific thing I wanted him to say so I knew God had reveled it to him. Well to say say the least I’m still here. I even tried to make it a little easier and walked right by him. Yeah christian brainwashing sucks. I’m hoping that was my last mishap. DB
  13. I wouldn’t accept it. I pretty well know it’s headed in that direction tho. Trying to get all my toys now while it’s legal. And get some to sell off when it’s not as well. Might as well make a buck or two when they decide to give up some more of our rights . I’m not buying any guns right now that I know will be legal after a ban. If it’s under ten round magazine. Not interested. If it’s not a scary black semi auto. Not interested. I’ll get them later. DB
  14. I’d say the majority of pastors are anti-gay anyway so not surprising.
  15. No I don’t think it was because she was a woman because he actually gave the promotion to a skinny woman who didn’t even have a year of experience. I’m pretty sure it was because of her weight. We talked several times about it. Her and I both are overweight. I carry it a bit better as I’m taller and broader anyway but she didn’t. There is also another more attractive woman in our dept. he hired. But she has gained weight and I’ve noticed him putting more work on her now...... I’m betting if she gains much more he’ll start treating her differently too. DB
  16. I dunno y’all. I don’t think I would call it skinny privilege but discrimination on over weight people is a thing. I just had a friend get fired from where I work and I think she was being discriminated against bc of her appearance. There were a lot of indicators. We switched over to a new attendance policy and everyone had a clean slate last January except her. She wasn’t granted the same access on programs they used at work as the others in the same position. She often went above and beyond what she needed to do but never got credit. Was turned down a higher position even this she was more skilled, had more seniority, and more experience. She was constantly dumped on. She went over her allowed points on attendance and was fired even tho she was trying to get paperwork in for intermittent FMLA which would have taken off all attendance points she had for her medical problems for the past six months. You could tell she was being discriminated against and the only thing I could really see was that she was Very over weight. Which was probably brought on by her depression. I watched it all play out. I’m hoping she can get a discrimination case started against the manager that was doing it. Ive also seen more attractive people get preferential treatment in other areas as well. I don’t think we will ever see a fat bachelor or bachelorette lol. DB
  17. Well if alqueda really were the ones that were behind 911 then I would say that the war in Afghanistan was needed. But I really don’t know for sure. It really seemed like once bush was in Afghanistan all he cared about was getting in Iraq and killing Sadam. The way the 3 towers fell and how it all panned out still make me wonder who was really behind that. DB
  18. Now that sounds like a Plan BO. one where everyone wins in the end. LOL
  19. That whole section that pertains to the subject is in her mind I’m sure. I even brought it up. It also says if the unbelieving Husband is happy to dwell with her then she should stay with him. But if he’s not let them depart. She will not be held under bondage in such cases. So biblically as long as I’m happy to stay with her we are good. DB
  20. Well that’s probably a bigger emergency than the wall lol so I imagine he would.
  21. Basically And I quote “you can find anything on the internet if you want to, it doesn’t mean it’s true”. so basically everything I found. Everything. The history, the forgeries, the history they have discovered evidence for that doesn’t add up with the Bible, the contradictions. It all fake. Every bit of it. So so yeah she is happy believing. She’s not happy with me not believing but that has gotten better. I think she realizes I do still love her. Even without God. DB
  22. I see it as the same thing just a different doctrine. I’m sure SDA and LDS were considered cults at first. Now they are just religions. I found out after I deconverted that my old church was very cultish in the 50s there is a book that is about to be published about it. I’ll post a link. They are all doing the same thing, using the “word of God” and “the Holy Spirit to control the congregation. https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Fear-Story-Church-Assembly/dp/162190508X/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmrnull_1?crid=NZKASAS034VZ&keywords=religion+of+fear+by+david+cady&qid=1550546810&s=gateway&sprefix=reigikn+of+fea&sr=8-1-fkmrnull I recommend this book. I haven’t read it yet but I have read some of the interviews and I was astonished. The union assembly is just another religion today tho. As well as the gospel assembly that broke off from it. They have a completely different interpretation of creation than any other Christian church I’ve been in. DB
  23. With the way they reacted last time it wouldn’t surprise me if the democrats started the next civil war when Trump gets another 4 years lmao!! DB