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  1. On 7/6/2017 at 5:15 PM, bornagainathiest said:


    Interjecting your thoughts is ok by me, Shinobi. :)


    For the record, I'm 99% sure that the Stranger is the genuine article.


    But if he were a troll, then at least our dialog is giving my brain a bit of a workout.








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  2. On 7/2/2017 at 11:45 AM, ThereAndBackAgain said:


    It's clear to me you meant no offense to atheists or anybody else, so no worries there!  And although I am certainly an atheist, I do see the value - in fact the importance - of promoting forms of spirituality that do not include worshipping gods.  People get benefits from prayer, no doubt, and many are comforted by believing that a god is watching over them.  If humans as a species are going to outgrow their gods, there needs to be widespread adoption of non-theistic ways of coping with the trials of life.  Various forms of meditation seem like the most promising answer there. 



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  3. On 7/2/2017 at 9:22 AM, Citsonga said:


    I've kicked myself many times as well. The irrationality of Christianity is so crystal clear now that it's become difficult for me to fathom ever having believed it, but I was totally convinced that it was true for the first 29 years of my life.






  4. On 7/2/2017 at 7:54 AM, ThereAndBackAgain said:


    This has been said before, but it bears repeating from time to time: most of us who consider ourselves atheists are not 100% convinced that there is no god.  Rather we see no convincing evidence for the existence of any god, so we don't believe in any and don't worship any.  Technically we are agnostic atheists.  Somebody who was 100% convinced would be a gnostic atheist, and those are rather rare.  It is certainly possible to be spiritual  in a sense without believing in any deities.


    Just sayin...



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  5. On 7/1/2017 at 8:32 AM, Margee said:

    Excellent  Shinobi! Five star post! Thanks for taking the time to write that out. My confession  on ex-c today would be that this is the game that I miss playing. This is the silly mind game that always had me twisted trying to figure out God's "higher ways".  And this stupid game is what always gave me a little hope  (as silly as that sounds ). It is our July  long weekend and it has been raining off and on all week. Now for the next 2 days it's  pouring  out. All activities in our city have been cancelled. Hundreds are disappointed including me.  I guess that Jesus is protecting us from forest fires this summer cause he's  providing so much rain! Or maybe he wants me to sit and post on ex-c! Glory to his name!  Thanks again for showing us the mind games we had to play as Christians. (Hug)



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  6. On 6/28/2017 at 4:40 PM, Lucy said:

    Believing in Christianity causes you to play weird mind games with yourself. But people go along with it and praise Jesus anyway.


    Good stuff = Praise Jesus! His blessings are abundant!
    Bad stuff =  Praise Jesus!  What a miracle it wasn't worse!
    Really bad stuff = Praise Jesus! He has a special plan and his reasons are beyond our comprehension, but obviously this was for the best even if we can't see how!


    Even when someone dies a horrible death, it just means they get to go be with Jesus and praise him in person! Hallelujah!



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  7. On 6/18/2017 at 7:58 AM, Citsonga said:


    I didn't care much for dc Talk's "Supernatural" album even when I was a Christian. I did, however, like their "Jesus Freak" album a lot. I haven't heard it in years, though, so I can't say what I think of it today.


    I do still really like a good bit from Guardian and Whitecross, and a little bit from Rez Band, and one album from Prayer Chain ("Shawl"). I especially have difficulty with Whitecross now, though, because their lyrics were so damn preachy, but Rex Carroll was such an incredible guitarist. 


    But, yeah, the vast majority of Christian music was pretty bad, although there were a few musical gems if you knew where to look.



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  8. On 6/18/2017 at 1:31 AM, skysoar15 said:

    A lot of older Christian music honestly isn't good. I'll give it credit now, though. There are a LOT more options to choose from. Fireflight, Fireleaf, Day of Fire, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Jimmy Needham, Lecrae, Tedashi, Jonathan Thulin, Liz Vice, Lauren Daigle...etc.


    Spotify helped me discover a huge variety of different Christian Artists.

    The problem for me are the messages inherent in the songs, not the quality. 


  9. On 6/18/2017 at 1:21 AM, Positivist said:

    Even when I was a Christian I wondered why most Christian music sucked so bad. I still have a DC Talk song in my iTunes library and an old Petra song. I don't listen to them but I consider them to be at least special to me. 


    But man. Most of it is crap! Agreed!!


  10. On 6/17/2017 at 1:19 PM, Vigile said:

    Just shooting from the hip here. It seems to me that real art requires a pushing of the boundaries and it's pretty hard not to be more status quo than to try to appeal to bible thumpers. 


    Pat Boone comes to mind. Look what he did to black music when he copied it for white bread, xian America. 


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  11. On 6/17/2017 at 7:20 AM, Jeff said:

    You may be right but I think this is why... Most music sucks. If your playing Christian music for Christians, the pond is smaller and youre more likely to get heard I think. 


    Go out and listen to bands that play original music... its not pretty. 


    The real music business sifts through so many artists to find the gems. 


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