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    Believing in Christianity causes you to play weird mind games with yourself. But people go along with it and praise Jesus anyway.


    Good stuff = Praise Jesus! His blessings are abundant!
    Bad stuff =  Praise Jesus!  What a miracle it wasn't worse!
    Really bad stuff = Praise Jesus! He has a special plan and his reasons are beyond our comprehension, but obviously this was for the best even if we can't see how!


    Even when someone dies a horrible death, it just means they get to go be with Jesus and praise him in person! Hallelujah!


    Exactly!  It's completely ridiculous.  Now, that I've been away from it for awhile I have a hard time comprehending how I didn't see through the charade sooner.  Smh  :/

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  2. Hey, everyone!  I'm slightly annoyed by something that happened over the course of the last week.  Popular YouTuber, Sarah Baska, decided that she would make a video for her 1 million plus subscribers explaining how she came back to Jesus after getting too high and having a panic attack.  She misrepresents so many different serious issues in this video that it would be hard to list them all here.  Anyway, now there are a bunch of impressionable young teens who are convinced that god used her experience to bring her back to him and that marijuana is a tool of Satan... smh :/   This video is literally a great example of when drugs and religion meet again on the other side.


    On a personal level, my biggest fault with this video and the message it contains is that medical science is completely thrown out the window in favor of some weird blend of hippy style Christian spirituality.  She actually went to the hospital because she was convinced that she was going to die from smoking marijuana.  Her "near death experience" brought her back to god.  Don't get me wrong, panic attacks and anxiety disorders are no laughing matter, and they can be quite serious when not handled properly.  But, marijuana is not the only thing that can trigger them in people who have anxiety disorders.  Alcohol consumption can trigger them, stress can trigger them, diet can trigger them, antidepressants can trigger them, a walk through an unfamiliar part of town can trigger them - many many different biological and environmental factors can trigger them.  However, you won't learn any of that by watching this video.


    One other huge problem I have with this video is that it (and others like it) does a lot of harm to the efforts of concerned activists, real doctors, and scientific researchers who are trying to erase the negative stigmas and stereotypes that surround marijuana so that it can studied for the development of new life saving medical treatments.  Enjoy.... I guess. 




    It sounds like she was helped by being introduced to a support group and maybe gaining a sense of community. I think it's best to leave well enough alone. If something does happen between her and the church or if she starts to lose faith, then you could point out to her that she actually beat her addiction all on her own without Jesus's help. There are so many people around here on drugs. Most of them are Christian. I can't really tell believing in Jesus is doing much for them.


    I listened to that song. Weirdly, I didn't interpret it as it was intended to be. When he says, "We're all looking for love and meaning in our lives. We follow the roads that lead us to drugs or Jesus," it sounded very pessimistic. Two bad options. Both negative. Life sucks so hard you'll either end up on drugs or in a cult. Great message!


    I like some country music. I like a little bit of everything at random.


    Thanks for taking the time to comment, Lucy! :)  I just wanted to let you know that I'm totally in agreement with you about this song.  I realize that it's meant to give people hope (or something like that), but it doesn't come off that way to me at all. lol  I was also thinking that maybe Tim needs to right another song about the Christians who are still on drugs and call it "Drugs & Jesus." Ha ha ha!!! 


    By the way, I also like all genres of music! Country just happens to be at the bottom of the list for me.  However, I do occasionally run into a country song or two that I like. Have a good night! 




    Your friend is one of the few that may make Christianity a better alternative. Some people are just so sick with addiction that they can't kick it if they don't feel like they always have someone watching them and monitoring their every move. Also she has her permanent sponsor Jesus watching her all the time to. She might need this right now. It's a very fragile situation and As I said before I wouldn't try dropping an Exchristian information bomb on her.


    I wish you and your friend the best of luck with this one,

    Dark Bishop 


    PS. I know I'm from the south but country sucks ass! Lol. Never liked it. So I skipped the musical interlude you offered ?

    Thanks, DB! I really appreciate that you took the time to help me out.  I'm pretty much arriving at the same conclusion at this point.  The only thing that really sucks is that after she told me all about her past and her newfound love for Jesus, it seems like that is all she really wants to talk about...  It's kind of making it hard for me to be around her.  Before she dropped the Jesus bomb on me, we actually laughed and talked about all kinds of different things. Nonetheless, I'm going to take your advice and leave well enough alone.  If she decides that I'm not the kind of person that she needs to keep around because I'm a nonbeliever, then there's really not a whole lot I can do about it.


    Like you said, it's better that she's off the drugs even if she has chosen to go overboard for Jesus.  It wouldn't be very moral of me to try to redirect her at this point in her life. 

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  5. So, recently, I ran into a predicament that left me baffled and confused.  I have a new friend that I go to school with who put me into a really awkward situation...


    One day while we were talking about the lecture we had just finished listening to in a class we were taking together,  she revealed to me that she used to be addicted to heroin.  She was really excited because on that particular day she had been clean for exactly one year.  I told her that I was proud of her and that she should be extremely proud of herself.  She then proceeded to tell me how she had done it. This is where the awkwardness starts...


    She explained to me how she was introduced to Jesus while sitting in jail after getting caught driving while under the influence of heroin.  She then told me about all of the miracles that surrounded that particular event such as how the jailer was also a preacher and how members of the church she started attending also happened to be involved with the place.  Apparently, all of these "coincidences" worked together in her favor to keep her from getting a criminal record etc.


    So, long story short, she ended up getting involved in a faith-based recovery program and life has been nothing but a bowl of sweet roses ever since.  She is now using her testimony to help other recovering addicts, and her entire life revolves around Jesus' love and his ability to break the chains of addiction.  I know this to all be true because her Facebook is nothing more than a non-stop barrage of Jesus saves, Jesus delivers, Jesus cares, and Jesus is my best friend posts.  She now also has hundreds of followers who either support what she is doing or are involved with what she is doing.


    So, as you can see, this leaves me, the ex-Christian, in a very peculiar situation because, on the same day, she also told me that I was the only real friend she has on the college campus.  I haven't kept my non-belief a secret from her or my negative feelings towards organized religion, but on the same token, I also haven't blatantly tried to discourage her from pursuing her newfound love for Jesus.  Under normal circumstances, I would not be so tolerant of her zealotry, but I fear that if I push her too hard, she might fall apart and end up back on the drugs.


    Now, my biggest concern for her revolves around this fact.  One day the church is going to let her down.  I've seen it happen more times than I can count.  The newfound spiritual high will wear off, and she will be left twice the confused mess that she was before she was introduced to religion.  I have no doubt about this.  In other words, I fear that she has traded in one unhealthy coping mechanism for another.  As badly as I would like to point her in a whole new direction, I think anything I say or do could shatter her already fragile state of mind which might be all it takes to send her spiraling back into the world of heroin abuse.  I don't think I could be at peace with myself with that on my conscience.


    In summation, all I can say is that I actually care more for her state of overall well-being than the church does because I've actually taken the time to think about her long-term state of mental health and stability, whereas the church obviously has not.  And, yet, I'm the evil one in this situation...


    If any of you have any good advice pertaining to how to handle this situation, please post it.


    I'll leave you with a song from one of America's pop icons to demonstrate how popular Christianized culture only exacerbates the problems I am referring to.  The name of the song is, "Drugs or Jesus."  It's by the well known country singer, Tim McGraw.  (For the record, country music is my least favorite musical genre, and out of all of the country songs I've ever heard, I despise this one the most.)




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  6. @Stranger @OrdinaryClay I just want both of you to know that you scare the living shit out of me, and I would not want people like you anywhere near my children or the children of others.  First, you both willingly worship and believe in an entity that is more evil than anything I've ever read about in any book, and you are perfectly okay with that.  Secondly, you don't believe in using logic to solve normal everyday problems which makes you both very dangerous.  Third, you've attempted to rebut nearly every sane, rational, and logical argument that has been tossed your way which tells me that neither one of you are thinking clearly anymore which, once again, also makes you very dangerous.  Fourth, you've lost the ability to know the real differences between good and evil which makes you a threat to yourselves and others.  At this point, you are literally not much different from the jihadists who blow themselves up and kill innocent women, men, and children in the name of Allah (you have more in common than you probably realize.)  Finally, you not only believe in stories like Noah's ark which literally involves bizarre things like two penguins making an impossible journey from Antarctica all the way to the Middle East to get on a big boat in the desert that was built by a "600 year old man" because your "loving God" decided to brutally annihilate every last living thing on the planet, but you also encourage others to do the same which makes you a threat to societal progress in general.


    But you know what?  I still have a deep hope that one day you'll see the light.  You see, at one time I was just like you, and that fact alone gives me hope.  I have to believe that people like you can come back to reality because the future of civilized society, the government, and the entire planet hangs on it.  This might not resonate with you right now, but one day it is very possible that you'll look back at these debates and the people you're currently debating with a sense of fondness and gratitude.  You know why?  It will be because you will have come to the realization that these good people here on ex-Christian actually cared enough about the both of you to take time out of their regular lives to try to help you get back on the right path.  You may not see it now, but believe it or not, one day you just might, and for the sake of yourselves and your close friends and families, I sincerely hope that both of you do.

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    I didn't care much for dc Talk's "Supernatural" album even when I was a Christian. I did, however, like their "Jesus Freak" album a lot. I haven't heard it in years, though, so I can't say what I think of it today.


    I do still really like a good bit from Guardian and Whitecross, and a little bit from Rez Band, and one album from Prayer Chain ("Shawl"). I especially have difficulty with Whitecross now, though, because their lyrics were so damn preachy, but Rex Carroll was such an incredible guitarist. 


    But, yeah, the vast majority of Christian music was pretty bad, although there were a few musical gems if you knew where to look.


    Believe it or not, I know exactly where you are coming from.  When I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to listen to anything but Christian music.  My dad was a preacher, and he wouldn't allow the "Devil's music" in the house because he wanted his entire family to "glorify God in everything they did."  Anyway, when I first heard DC Talk's album, "Jesus Freak," I thought it was nothing short of revolutionary and brilliant.  I went to school and tried to introduce it to my friends.  Most of them just laughed at me and made fun of it.  At the time, I couldn't understand where they were coming from.  How could they not like something that was so completely awesome?  I just convinced myself that they had been led astray by the Devil, and one day they'd come to know the truth after they saw the light.


    Now, looking back, I completely understand where they were coming from.  Had I been allowed to listen to regular secular rock music back then I would have never fell in love with "Jesus Freak" the way I did.  I mean, the entire album is basically an attempt to copycat all of the popular alternative rock and rap rock styles of the time period in which it was released.  If you compare "Jesus Freak" to Rage Against the Machine's, "Evil Empire," or Nirvana's "In Utero," DC Talk just looks like the wimpy kid on the block for lack of a better way of putting it.


    The way I see it is that a lot of Christian music can be likened to gas station beer with a 3.2% alcohol content.  Sure, if you drink it long enough, you'll catch a buzz, you'll eventually forget how flat it tastes, and you might even be able to convince yourself that it really does tastes good.  However, secular music is like liquor store beer with a 5% - 10% alcohol content. The minute you compare the two, the blatant differences are as glaring as the differences between night & day.  

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    A lot of older Christian music honestly isn't good. I'll give it credit now, though. There are a LOT more options to choose from. Fireflight, Fireleaf, Day of Fire, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Jimmy Needham, Lecrae, Tedashi, Jonathan Thulin, Liz Vice, Lauren Daigle...etc.


    Spotify helped me discover a huge variety of different Christian Artists.

    The problem for me are the messages inherent in the songs, not the quality. 

    Hi, Skysoar.  It sounds to me like you might be interested in participating in the Christian Music Challenge.  I created a thread in Totally Off Topic where you can post a YouTube video of a Christian artist who you think is nothing short of amazing.  The next person to post has to come back at you with a secular artist from the same genre and time period who he or she thinks is much better.  The winner is the post that gets the most likes.  If you're down with putting one of the artists you listed in the competition, head that way! :)


    Just shooting from the hip here. It seems to me that real art requires a pushing of the boundaries and it's pretty hard not to be more status quo than to try to appeal to bible thumpers. 


    Pat Boone comes to mind. Look what he did to black music when he copied it for white bread, xian America. 

    Jesus Christ on a stick!!!  Ha ha ha ha!!! LMAO!  That might be the funniest thing I've seen in awhile! xD


    Vigile, I think you just successfully went above and beyond in proving my point.  Thank you so much! Bravo!

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    You may be right but I think this is why... Most music sucks. If your playing Christian music for Christians, the pond is smaller and youre more likely to get heard I think. 


    Go out and listen to bands that play original music... its not pretty. 


    The real music business sifts through so many artists to find the gems. 

    Hi, Jeff.  You make a really good point.  I honestly never thought of it that way.  I'm definitely not of the opinion that all Christian bands are terrible, but after comparing some of them to their secular counterparts, I was somewhat blown away by the differences in overall musicianship, quality, and artistry.


    The reason I brought up DC Talk is because it really sounds to me as if they were trying to copycat whatever sounds were popular at the time that they released each of their albums, and they did a terrible job of it.  For example, if you compare their first three albums ( late 80s / early 90s attempts at hip hop) to their secular counterparts like A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys, NWA, etc. they sound so cheezy and ridiculous that it's hard to put into words.  If you compare "Jesus Freak", their attempt to copycat alternative rock, to bands like Nirvana, Weezer, Radiohead, Green Day, and Nine Inch Nails, they seem nothing short of laughable.  Their final album, "Supernatural," might be one of the more original sounding albums that they ever produced, but all I could do is cringe the entire time I was listening to it....


    I understand if people like them - to each their own.  I happen to be a huge fan of electronica, trip hop, drum & bass, industrial tech metal, and edm of all kinds.  My favorite alternative rock bands are the Cure, Radiohead, and the Smiths.  For me personally, I had an extremely hard time finding Christian bands that even came close to producing a sound that did it for me.  The only two that came even close were Sixpence None the Richer, and Mortal.  


    Thanks for taking the time to read and comment! :)

  11. Okay, so I haven't been on here in quite a while, but I had an experience tonight that I just had to share with you all.  I decided purely for the sake of reminiscence and nostalgia to go back and listen to some of the old Christian albums I used to love when I was still a dutiful practitioner of the faith.  Of course, I just had to listen to DC Talk.  After all, they were the premier Christian band of the 90s and 00s - the best of the best (or at least the most popular).  I decided to give their album, "Supernatural," a spin.  


    Dear Zeus... all I could do was cringe the entire time.  What in Odin's sacred name was I thinking back then!?  I must have been out-of-my-mind-high on religion induced emotion to have ever thought that their music was any good at all!  Every single song seemed dull, colorless, and completely devoid of anything resembling honest emotion or real intimacy - traits that most good music is built around.  Nearly every song sounded as if it had been produced in some sort of bizarre cookie cutter music factory.  The entire album reeked of imitation.  Almost every song sounded as if it were designed with the sole purpose of becoming a soulless Christian radio-friendly pop hit.  In other words, there was absolutely nothing resembling true artistry on the entire album!


    Now, I will be the first to admit that it is healthy for any band to try to make a few catchy songs that have mass appeal (that's how you make money), but when a band goes completely overboard  and makes every song with the sole intention of selling out, you know there's something fishy going on.  You know that the band probably isn't making music for the love of music anymore, if you get my drift. 


    So, i just had to get that off of my chest.  I also had similar experiences with a number of other Christian albums I listened to throughout the evening.  It seems to me that most music (not all) that falls into the CCM category is like this.  After spending quite a few years refreshing my soul with good old fashioned secular music - the kind that is filled with human flaws, honesty, and emotions, good, bad, ugly, and indifferent, I don't think I could ever go back to listening to Christian music again even if I wanted to.


    It's a shame really... I've come to the realization that I spent more years than I care to admit listening to second rate shit disguised as music... smh :/

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  12. Hi, everyone! I spent the last hour or so reading some of the debates posted here in the forums regarding whether or not Jesus actually existed.  Anyway, the topic really perked my curiosity, and I set off to do some investigation into the matter myself.  I stumbled across a YouTube channel that is completely devoted to the topic in question, and I thought that some of you might want to take a look at it. Here is the link to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/JesusNeverExistd


    Below is the promotional video for the channel.  I hope this material contributes something worthwhile to the ongoing discussions! :) 




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  13. 11 hours ago, Lyra said:

    3. I smoke VERY occasional weed -- like maybe a couple of puffs every few weeks on special days or something. When I get a teeny, tiny amount (what most people could blow through in a weekend) it sits in my bookshelf drawer and lasts me for months. I'm not anywhere near being a daily/chronic user (although I don't judge people who are). But sometimes when I smoke, I get this internal sense of disapproval like I'm "using drugs" as if I was a heroin/meth addict or something, and then I start to  think I'm a horrible person at large.

    Hi, Lyra!


    I totally understand where you are coming from.  I have been a non-believer for about three and a half years now, but I still deal with unnecessary guilt about things that I have no reason to feel guilty about.  I really think it's all symptomatic of the brainwashing process that we as believers were subtly put through for years on end.  Unfortunately, the after effects of it all don't just go away overnight.  I've found myself having long mental conversations with myself in an effort to rationalize my behavior.  It's definitely not fun to deal with.


    On a more positive note, it does get better with time.  I used to feel absolutely horrible every time I would give in to the urge to watch porn.  I'm proud to say that I've finally reached the point where I don't deal with that level of guilt anymore.  I have a girlfriend who enjoys watching it with me from time to time, and that really helps a lot.  It's not like we watch it all of the time, but occasionally we like to use it to spice things up in the bedroom.  I guess the point I'm making is that it really helps to have someone in your life who can help you work through your issues.


    As far as weed is concerned, you don't need to feel guilty about that at all.  I recently took a trip to Colorado, and spent the entire week trying out different edibles.  It was such a stress reliever.  Afterwards, I felt more clear-headed and focused than I had in quite a long time.  I would say that it is the best cure for stress and anxiety disorders that there is.  I would also go so far as to say that a lot of us who are ex-christians could really benefit from it.  


    I think that deconversion can leave a person dealing with symptoms that are very similar to PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder), and marijuana is one of the best treatments there is for it.


    Anyway, there is nothing wrong with you Lyra.  You are definitely not alone. :)

  14. I don't know much about the Alpha course, but I did spend a few minutes glancing at their website.  I was really disheartened to see that one of my favorite t.v. personalities, Bear Grylls, is currently the face of their website... :(  Anyway, I don't think I'll be spending any of the precious time I have to put myself through what appears to be some sort of new wave Christian brotherhood movement.  I'm completely through with that shit.


    If I were you, I would stay far away from stuff like the Alpha course.  It took me about three years to get to the point of where I am 100% confident in my non-believer worldview.  After I first deconverted, I gave myself the freedom to explore a plethora of other belief systems, philosophies, and worldviews.  By doing that, I was able to broaden my perspective of the world to the point that Christianity became almost laughable.  As far as I'm concerned, the only way to fully get over the damage caused by brainwashing is to fill your mind with new ideas that aren't connected to the old belief systems you used to adhere to.


    It's a lot like battling an addiction.  When you are first trying to quit a bad habit it is not a good idea to surround yourself with triggers that encourage you to participate in the old behavior you are trying to get away from.  For example, you don't quit cocaine by keeping a small stash of it along with a mirror and a razor blade on the nightstand next to your bed.  You get rid of the shit and stay as far away from it as possible.


    If I were you, I wouldn't spend any more time reading Christian literature, hanging out with Christian groups, or participating in Christian functions.  Those things will only make it a whole lot harder for you to regain the self confidence you'll need to completely overcome the brainwashing that you endured for so long.  I'm sorry to tell you this, but it may take many years before the damage is completely undone.  However, it does get easier with time. Just hang in there! :)

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  15. Dark Bishop, I really appreciate what you have written here.  Your comparison of deconversion to taking the red pill was perfect.  The Matrix is one of my all-time favorite movies! 


    Anyway, you are absolutely right when you say that we should all be proud of ourselves.  Some of the strongest people I know are ex-Christians.  After all, it takes strength of will, steadfast mental resolve, and a rock solid belief in oneself to stand up and question the cultural norms that are found in any society.  Christianity has become one of the main cornerstones that modern American society is built around.  It's a societal institution that affects so much of what we have been taught to value and hold dear, and anyone who has the guts to call it out for what it really is has way more courage, tenacity, and mental fortitude than your average Jane or Joe.


    The coolest thing about not being blinded by deception is that you have all of the freedom you could ever hope for to actually search for real truth without any religiously induced fear or cultural bias affecting your endeavors.  The red pill is scary, but it's liberation in it's purest form.

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  16. Oh my god... This article is strong evidence that seemingly smart people (the type that prestigious universities like Harvard usually try to recruit) can be complete idiots when it comes to religion.  She mentioned in the article that she read through the Qur'an, The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, and Dawkin's book, The God Delusion before deciding that Christianity was a better path.  Am I the only one who thinks that she didn't really read through the entire Skeptic's Bible, let alone the Qur'an???  I'm going to say that there is a strong chance that she potentially broke one of the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness in this article.  But, hey, why not use deception to spread the truth?  That's what it's all about, right?  As long as more souls are won for Jesus, it's all good.


    Anyway, there was absolutely nothing intellectual or profound about this girl's supposed conversion.  It sounds to me like she merely broke down and caved into her emotions because they were in concert with her romanticized ideas of the ancient philosophers of old as the article states, "But nothing compared to the rich tradition of Christian intellect. I'd argued with my peers, but I'd never investigated the works of the masters: Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Descartes, Kant, Pascal, and Lewis. When I finally did, the only reasonable course of action was to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."


    Oh, and by the way, I definitely would not want a person like her representing me in any kind of governmental role.  She obviously isn't very good at distinguishing fact from fiction.  She could very well be the type of person who would throw logic, reason, and democracy out the window in exchange for a more "pleasant and humanitarian" system like theocracy.  Smh :(

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  17. Hi, JL11.  I once fell in love with a Mormon girl... Everyone I knew told me that I was going to have problems because our belief systems weren't at all alike.  I ignored all of them and proceeded to perpetuate our relationship to the point of being serious.  What else can I say?  Her beautiful blue eyes, perfect skin, silky blonde hair, and goddess-like body was just way more than my teenage hormones could resist.  My desire in combination with the foolish belief that I could change her drove me to take her all the way to Las Vegas for a quick marriage... I was a Christian at the time, so I believed that I could use logic and reason to show her that Mormonism was a fake cult that split off from the one true religion, Christianity.  With God's help, she'd come around - I just knew it.  (Boy, was I ever wrong about that...) 


    Anyway, here's the tragically funny part of the story.  I knew I was on the verge of making a huge mistake, but I ignored myself anyway.  I decided to throw my gut feelings and intuition out the window in favor of "love."  It wasn't until I visited a fortune teller while staying in Vegas that my eyes were opened to the truth.  The fortune teller told me that I was on the verge of making a huge life-changing mistake.  For whatever stupid reason, I couldn't get the old gypsy's words out of my mind.  I took the girl home without marrying her, and she cheated on me three weeks later. :(


    This might be the most embarrassing story I've ever posted on here.  Not only did I almost make a huge mistake by choosing to marry a Mormon girl that didn't share my belief systems, but it took a chance meeting with a fortune teller of all things to wake me up.  I mean... a fortune teller?  Really?  Looking back, I know I was out of my mind.


    The moral of this story is that I narrowly missed a bullet.  My luck in combination with my naivety and stupidity saved me.  Now, I'm willingly sharing this story with you in the hopes that something good might come from my foolish teenage blunder.  You might not be so lucky...

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  18. On 4/9/2017 at 9:23 AM, ConsiderTheSource said:

    I have followed Zoda and his father, Zoda Pop, for some time now.

    Ha ha ha!!! :D  You are on the right path, ConsiderTheSource.  However, you still need to pray to Zoda Pop in the name of his son, Zoda for Zoda's spirit to come upon you.  Once you've been baptized in the Spirit of Zoda, you will truly be able to experience all of the power and joy that Zoda has to offer. :P 

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