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  1. On 4/7/2017 at 7:04 AM, LogicalFallacy said:

    A brilliant piece well done :)

     

    Would you like to debate the existence of Zoda in the positive? :D:D 

     

    "discombobulated" Flaming Nora! What is this word??

     

    *Goes to google*

     

    "to confuse or disconcert; upset; frustrate"

     

    Ohhhhhhh.......

    Thank you, LogicalFallacy! I'm glad that you enjoyed it.  I'm really not sure why I chose to use that word.  It just sounded right in the moment.  lol  I think it was a word that my grandma used to use whenever she was frustrated about something.  If you've ever been in a wooded area at night, you would totally understand why discombobulation and massive amounts of croaking tree frogs sort of go hand in hand. :D

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  2. 4 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

    Wow LMAO! I don't know if the others made it to the end. But you had me wondering if you went mental there for a sec. I'm surprised no one else said anything yet lol. Good one and very well written. Your description of details made it sound like I was reading a excerpt from a novel. You might should consider developing a real story and writing a book. I enjoyed it.

     

    DB 

     

    PS. Hail Zoda! Lmao

    Thank you so much DB! :D  I'm so glad that you enjoyed it!  I was sitting up late last night because I sometimes struggle with insomnia, so I decided that I would do something creative to help me fall asleep.  After surfing through the forums here on EX-C, I came up with the idea.  I just hope that it makes people laugh.  Sometimes, the issues that people deal with when going through the deconversion process are heavy and hard to handle, and I believe that humor can make those issues easier to cope with.

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  3. Give Your Heart to Zoda!

     

    I was a little bit hesitant to post this message in the forums... I fully realize that this might be the end of any credibility that I may have had around here.  However, after much anguish, heartache, and distress, I have come to the realization that I have no choice left in the matter - you all need to know the truth...

     

    It all happened around two weeks ago.  It was a typical boring Monday evening.  I had just finished up a hard day at school, and I needed to relieve some stress.  So, I put in my ear buds, loaded up a Radiohead playlist, and left the house for a nighttime stroll.  As I sauntered down a side street that leads out of the small town I live in, the nauseating scent of car exhaust and spoiled ditch water drifted lazily past me.  I passed by a dead possum lying outstretched in the road with a gaping maw and wide open glazy eyes.  Dried and darkened blood was caked all over his dirty and matted gray coat.  I observed his rotting corpse with a hint of sadness and pondered what his life might have been like, how it abruptly came to an end without warning.  I heard the tortured wail of a nearby train that threatened to completely drown out Thom Yorke's crooning vocals that explained how everything was in its right place.  The bright glare of approaching headlights that were carelessly left on a high beam setting threatened to blind me completely.  Feeling pensive, annoyed, and put off, I hastened my pace and made a beeline for my favorite walking path, a worn down dirt trail that snaked through a large expanse of fir trees located on the eastern edge of town.

     

    By the time I reached the old trail, the full moon had already climbed half way up the sky.  It shone down like a floodlight on the line of old fir trees that rose into the sky like broken and jagged dragon's teeth.  I quietly let out a sigh of relief and promptly strolled away from the sidewalk towards the narrow opening in the hedge where the trail began.

     

    I removed my ear buds and shoved them in my front pocket so that I could fully take in the nighttime's frenzied chorus that was ringing all around me.  I heard the broken and discombobulated groans of excited tree frogs, the shrill whispers of katydids, and the chirpy chimes of crickets.  A lone owl hooted three times in the distance.

     

    I trotted through the woods silently for about a half hour or so winding left, right, and around as I passed by the outstretched arms of old prickly fir trees and the gnarled and knotted wide trunks of aged oaks.  The pungent scent of pine permeated the cool air around me invigorating all of my senses.  A short time later, the trail straightened out and I began to descend deeper into the heart of the forest.  The moon lit up the path before me causing it to shine like a silver stream running through an otherwise black land.  I knew that I was almost at the end of my journey, and I quietly bemoaned the realization that I would soon have to turn around and make the steep climb back up the hill that was currently leading me towards a glade that marked the trail's end.

     

    Suddenly, the path opened up before me and the moonlit glade beckoned me forward.  It was much brighter than I had ever remembered it being.  The mix of dark and light greens almost seemed to have a slight glow to them as if they were radiating their own source of quiet light.  I stopped for a moment and wiped my eyes thinking that they were playing tricks on me.  I then proceeded to make my way further down the path.

     

    As soon as I stepped into the glade, an intoxicating scent of honey and flowery sweet fragrance overwhelmed me.  I took two steps back and nearly fell over as I witnessed the vines and weeds swaying back and forth all around the edges of the clearing in a state of perfect unison.  There was absolutely no breeze that night that would cause this to happen...  They swooned back and forth like hypnotized cobras caught in the clutches of a charmer's lull.  The hazy green glow that emanated all around me grew in intensity until it threatened to swallow me whole.  I stood frozen in place for what seemed like an eternity in a confused state of shock, wonder, and fear.

     

    My awe-struck trance was suddenly broken by a booming voice that came down from the sky above me.  It thundered, "My son!  I am Zoda!  Bow down before me, the one true God!"  I looked all around in a panic for its source but to no avail.  Suddenly, I grew very weak, and I found that I had no choice in the matter.  I fell prostrate on my face with my arms outstretched in total subjection.  Tears swelled up in my burning eyes and my body trembled from head to toe in spasms of fear.

     

    The voice exploded once again, "My son! Do not be afraid.  I am Zoda, and I have chosen you to deliver a message to the masses!  This is your purpose.  This is the reason you were created.  You will go back home and tell the infidels on ex-Christian.net that they have angered me with their whining, bickering, and complaining.  You will tell them that I have been known by many names in the past, and Jesus is one of them.  And, you will tell them that my true name is Zoda!!!"

     

    I buried my face deeper into the dirt and trembled in something like an epileptic fit.  Suddenly, I felt the choking grasp of gigantic invisible fingers as they closed around my waste like cold industrial sized vice grips.  I felt a surge rush through my entire body as I was catapulted like a rocket into the night sky.  Then, I was floating.  The stars shone brightly all around me like diamonds suspended from invisible strings, and in the distance a bright blue sphere that resembled a swirly marble levitated before me. I immediately recognized it as the planet, Earth.

     

    At that moment, a soft and tender voice broke the silence.  "My son, do not be afraid.  I have chosen you to save this planet.  You will be the vessel through which I work my wonders.  But, you must do exactly as I tell you.  Go home, and let the world know that I am Zoda and that I am real.  Let them know that all the prophecies are true and that the world will soon come to an end."

     

    I stared off into outer space in pure bewilderment until I could finally muster up enough courage to speak.  Once again, I looked around for the source of the voice to no avail.  I then humbly asked, "How will I do this?  I know they won't believe me, especially the folks at ex-Christian.  They are truly a hard headed bunch."

     

    The voice returned in soothing tones, "Have no fear, Shinobi.  I will empower you with my spirit, and the words you need to speak will come to you just when you need them." I slowly nodded my head in resignation.

     

    The next thing I knew I was lying flat on my back in the middle of the glade, and everything was back to normal.  The swaying of the greenery had stopped, and the luminescent glow was gone.  I laid there for quite awhile staring back up at the night sky.  The smells and sounds of the forest surrounded me, and all was at peace.  I questioned my sanity and tried to make sense of what I had just experienced.  Had I passed out?  Was it all just a dream? I shook my head.  Nothing I told myself could convince me that what I had experienced wasn't real...  Just then, a shooting start streaked across the sky.  I smiled in spite of myself.  I knew it was Zoda giving me a sign.

     

    So, that brings me to this point...

     

    You people need to give your hearts to Zoda!  He's real, and he's real mad.  If you all don't cut the shit, he's going to wreak havoc on the world, and he's going to destroy all of you without prejudice!

     

    I know I sound crazy, but it's the truth.  I tell you it's the TRUTH!!!

     

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    Next time you start having doubts about your decision to leave Christianity behind, just remember that it's just about as ridiculous, far-fetched, and credible as the story I have just told you.  You wouldn't give your heart to Zoda, the one true alien god, so why on earth would you give it to Jesus, the magical carpenter from the Middle East?   Think about it.

     

    Thanks for taking the time to read this! ^_^

     

    ~ Shinobi

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  4. 15 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

    I've been watching the christian conspiracy angle to the Mandela Effect. What a bunch of idiots. Of course they think that CERN is working in cooperation with the Illuminati towards the aims of the NWO. Red flags going off, red flags! 

     

    These christians think that CERN and the ME are spoken of in Revelation. Red flags, red flags!!!

     

    And that these are just small tests before they completely change and eradicate large scale history to make for the anti-christ's NWO! Red flags, red flags!!!!

     

     

     

     

    Yep...  It's pretty disturbing isn't it?  Back when I was a kid, my parents both believed that the world was coming to an end.  They went completely overboard with their attempts to convert the family before the day of judgement.  Talk about embarrassing.

     

    Anyway, my parents made me watch a bunch of end of the world movies when I was around nine years old.  They scared me to the point of tears.  Normally, a good parent would tell his or her kid that the movies were make believe.  Nope, not mine.  My mom told me they were real.  She then told me the only way to not get "left behind" was to give my heart to Jesus.  I promptly got on my knees and prayed for Jesus to come into my heart.

     

    That day truly was the beginning of the end for me, only it wasn't the end of the world - it was the end of me having anything that resembled a normal childhood. I truly feel sorry for the kids out there who I know are being brainwashed by their lunatic parents to believe in all of this end of the world crap... :(


  5. 1 hour ago, L.B. said:

    Folks, don't ever discount the "secret society" phenomenon.

     

    What I mean is that people who are likely to believe bullshit are always more susceptible to believing ANYTHING if you frame it right.

     

    Give someone facts and figures about your differing opinion, and they may very well reject it out of hand because it's not what they were taught first.

     

    Give them the idea that your information is REVEALED, SECRET truth that only the Truest, Truly TrueBelievers™ can be granted, and they'll likely eat it up.

     

    People don't just want what's "right", like how to tie a square knot. They want what's "true", that is, to believe that they are transcending their ordinariness in the pursuit of loftier goals.

     

    Oh, and to throw in an example of your "Mandela Effect", there was a mass delusion/false-memory thing happening over the last few years where people have insisted that the actor Sinbad starred in a movie playing a wish-granting genie character. It apparently has never happened, even according to Sinbad himself. I remembered seeing adverts for the movie in question, too, and I was gobsmacked to realize that I was probably "remembering" something completely false, but "remembering" it so, so clearly.

    I agree with you L.B., the human brain is not nearly as reliable as we would like to believe.  Like others in this thread have previously mentioned, the most logical explanation for the Mandela Effect is false memories.  Another good explanation that was also mentioned deals with the possibility that the "changed" Bible verses in question have been heavily misquoted over the years, and like a game of telephone where the original message is distorted and changed by the time it reaches the last person in line, what we remember as being the truth is not what it originally started out being. Nonetheless, it's kind of fun to research and look into.  I mean who doesn't like to ponder the craziest of possibilities once in awhile?  


  6. 20 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

    So I've watched several videos on Esoteric's Detective's channel. It's interesting to consider all of the evidence from the secular world against these KJV issues. The logical answer seems to stay the same. These could be cases of remembering wrong. The weird part is where some historical texts remain as people remembered but others clearly show something different. The only logical answer I have at the moment is that the old articles, biblical commentary books, and awards ceremony statements reflect the same general mis remembering. But I don't know if that really settles each case. 

     

    More later...

     

     

     

    Joshpantera, I'm so glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks the whole mess is a little bit more than bizarre.  While logic and common sense should quickly allow me to write these weird occurrences off, I just can't seem to mentally get to the place where I'm 100% confident in doing so.  That is not to say that I actually believe the Mandela Effect is real, but I really do think the whole concept needs a thorough examination and a proper explanation.  After all, one would be inclined to think that there has got to be a logical explanation for all of it, right?

     

    Anyway, I really wasn't making it up when I said that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people who are currently feeling perplexed by the whole phenomenon.  I'm sure that most of them are like me, and they don't really want to believe it's true.  However, some of the evidence presented in videos like those that you are currently watching by the Esoteric Detective can really make a person stop and question the true nature of reality (do we live in the matrix, time travel, space/time distortions, dimensional overlap, etc.).  Outside of the Biblical references I listed above, some of the movie references like the Jaws & Dolly scene in the James Bond movie, "Moonraker" really make you stop and wonder...  

     

    I probably better stop while I'm ahead.  I'm sure half of the people who use this forum think I'm crazy by now. lol :D Once again, thanks for taking the time to look into this.  You seem like a knowledgeable person, and I really like hearing what you have to say.


  7. 9 hours ago, Abrooks2007 said:

    Shinobi, I got an even BETTER one for you:

     

    "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' (1 Samuel 15:3)

     

    At work, I look at some of our customers with the most beautiful kids and I wonder how "god" could be so sociopathic. :-/

     

    -Andrew

    New Living Translation

    Yeah, Abrooks, the Bible is full of scriptures that prove how "loving and humane" the Judeo-Christian God is.. Check this one out:  "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV).  Apparently, the punishment that God prescribes for rape is that the guy who committed the rape has to marry the girl and pay her dad a sum of money.  Oh, and he can't divorce her which subsequently means that the girl who got raped is legally stuck with a psychotic abuser for the rest of her life all because she was unlucky enough to catch his eye.  The "purity, justice, and holiness" exhibited in these verses is almost more than I can comprehend. Wow... just wow.  Smh :/ 

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  8. 4 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

    I was all around surprised when I decided to go and reread the bible. Most of what I had thought of and remembered as "The Bible" while growing up in christian school with bible class for 12 years, wasn't the bible as much as it was people's commentary about the bible. And I realized right away that I didn't really know too much about the bible even having taken 12 years of bible class, mandatory. There's definitely an issue going on where people can be shocked at what is actually written compared to what they think or remember was written. This is as logical an explanation as I have at the moment.

     

    But I'm going to follow your youtube request and look into it more and let you know what I come up with...

     

      

    Hi, Joshpantera.  It's nice to meet you! It sounds like we have a little bit in common.  I too attended a private Christian school where I was forced to memorize the Bible on a regular basis.  I'm really sorry you had to go through that.  For me, it was psychological torture of the worst kind...  And, I'm sure you know where I'm coming from when I say that.

     

    Anyway, I just want to give you a huge "thank you" for taking the time to look into this.  I realize the topic is bizarre, and I applaud you for not shying away from it.  I read through your explanations, and I really liked what you had to say.  You mentioned that the King James Version is full of errors, and I am starting to come to the same conclusion myself.  The funny thing about it is that I was told by the church elders I grew up around that the KJV is one of the more "perfect" translations out there.  After doing my own research on the KJV and comparing it to other translations, I can honestly say that they were completely mistaken.  Like you said, it almost appears as if the translators who worked on the newer editions of the Bible went out of their way to purposely make changes that would correct the errors and glaring discrepancies found in the 1611 version of the KJV.  And if what you say is true, it would also appear that the newer editions of the Bible have actually changed the meaning of what was originally written in the old KJV.  Very interesting indeed.

     

    So much for the Bible being inerrant and infallible, right?

     


  9. 12 minutes ago, Astreja said:

    Arguing with us will not save you, and could well hasten the demise of your beliefs.

    Hi, Astreja.  What you have said here is the absolute truth.  It reminds me of an old saying I often heard while growing up, "If a person plays with a sleeping dragon long enough, it is bound to wake up."

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  10. DarkBishop, I feel like this is going to be a really interesting thread.  Thanks for posting the topic!

     

    I wasn't a preacher, an evangelist, a missionary, or anything else along those lines.  However, I was a music minister for quite awhile in my own way.  To be more specific, I was a professional Christian recording artist with a legitimate record deal.  Thankfully, I don't think any real damage was done by my music and message after I hit the professional level because I literally deconverted within the same year that my first album was released.  Subsequently, I engaged in active efforts to do absolutely nothing to promote the album - I didn't go on tours, I deleted all of the social media I had that was connected to the album, and I left the music scene entirely behind for awhile to do some serious soul searching.

     

    Anyway, I'm not about to reveal who I am because, inevitably, somebody will go and download the album from iTunes and talk about it.  I haven't spoken to anyone from my record label since this whole shenanigan went down.  The last time I heard from them, they wanted to know if I would be interested in releasing a second album.  I didn't reply, and I don't plan on doing so.

     

    Now, that I've grown strong and confident in my non-believer worldview, I can't imagine how much guilt or regret I might currently feel if I had chosen to pursue Christian music wholeheartedly... I still have regrets that stem from leading some of my friends back to the Lord when I was younger.  One particular friend I used to have is now heavily involved in church and missions work, and I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't be if I hadn't stepped into his life to intervene when he first started having doubts about Christianity and his faith.  I've often wondered what I would say to him if I would ever run into him again...

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  11. 3 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

     

    I agree with you 100% on this. I think I said this before in my testimony but I came across one of my friends that was a pantheist (once was an athiest) and I didn't know it. He actually goes to an episcopal church because it is one of the most liberal of Christian churches, but he doesn't view the bible as literal at all. He holds a pantheistic view that God is in everything and everything is God. 

         I told him what had happened to my faith and he shared his views with me. He told me that he hopes I never stop believing in something because athiesm is a lonely place to be. While his sentiments on athiesm may not resonate with everyone here I'm sure that most have recieved structured their lives with various goals to fill the void that belief has left behind.

         I think it is very important to believe in something even if it is just yourself, like you said. My leanings are probably that of dualistic panthiesm. I have personally seen and felt what I thought were ghosts or spirits. Which was one issue I had with biblical teaching because it didn't really leave room for a spirit other than the holy ghost to reside on earth. When we died we either went to heaven or hell, or alternatively to the grave to await resurrection. Depending on who was interpreting the bible. So I still believe there is some for of consciousness outside of this existence. And I have expressed my hope that at the very least reincarnation is real. If so this time around I left organized religion in my mid 30s. Maybe next time I'll start figuring stuff out sooner. 

         I also can't believe this earth or any other life bearing planet just spontaneously happened. I think that whatever spiritual energy is out there is what manipulated life giving cells to organise this planet as the life support system that it is. 

         While my beliefs won't be shared by any of the more athiest leaning members of this site at least I can say they are my beliefs and not what I was told to believe. 

         But to get back to your point. Yes some form of belief is important for our human existence. Even if your belief only in tales you setting goals for yourself to reach throughout your life. It gives you a since of purpose and a since of fulfillment when that goal is reached. Right now I have a goal to build a house by paying cash to have it built in 4-5 years. If I reach that goal next it will be to build a garage for said house with a loft apartment, also with cash. I want to be virtually debt free before I retire so that I can have peace of mind financially in my final years. I mentioned before I want to build a Zen Garden as well to focus my own spirituality and meditation. And I have a more urgent goal between now and then to get my body into shape so I can enjoy this life longer. Because just in case I am wrong I want to drag this one out as long as possible because if nothing else I do have a love for life and all the experiences that come along with it.

          Thank you for posting this shinobi. And I'm glad that you found belief in your life after deconversion as well. 

     

    Best regards,

                Dark Bishop

    Hi, Dark Bishop.  I am so glad to meet someone else on here who I feel I may have a lot in common with.  I'm not 100% what it is that I believe in (it's complicated), but I don't mind looking into the many possibilities.  I have nothing but respect for atheists because, in my mind, they seem to have a real knack for looking at everything in the most objective way possible - I have gained a lot of insight over the years from listening to atheist perspectives.  Nonetheless, pure atheism has never been a good fit for me which is why I identify as an agnostic and probably will until the day I day.  In saying that, I absolutely don't believe in any of the monotheistic deities of any of the world's major religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc.).  

     

    My girlfriend is begging me to watch the next episode of Arrow with her right now, so I probably better go.  I hope we can chat more in the future! 

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  12. 4 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

     

    It should be noted that people who are inclined to believe that which is not demonstrably true, are more inclined to believe anything that is not demonstrably true.

     

    So for example, if a Christian is inclined to believe in God with no evidence, they may also be inclined to think the moon landing was a hoax, and that evolution is a multi century, multi discipline conspiracy to destroy god - somewhat an oxymoronic statement in itself. So apparently believing in weird shit means you are more inclined to believe in other weird shit.

     

    I think what we are actually seeing, is a Chinese whispers phenomenon. Someone has quoted something wrong, it has been repeated, put into songs, burnt into church memory and no one has bothered actually reading the actual words. Now they have they think its been changed - no they just didn't bother checking.

     

    Take the NT - 'prophesises' are quote mined by the authors. Christian preachers have then repeated theses for millennia without bothering to actually check said prophesies. The prime one is "a virgin shall conceive" from Isiah. It has nothing to do with a coming messiah. To get around this the "dual and hidden meaning of scripture" excuse is given. Again, more post hoc shit.

    Hey LogicalFallacy, I think you are probably right.  The more I've researched the subject, the more discrepancies I've discovered in the Bible itself - discrepancies that I wasn't previously aware of.  I've always considered myself to be a person who knows his Bible pretty well, but as it turns out, I didn't know it quite as well as I thought I did.  I attended a private school for six years, and every week I was expected to recite entire chapters out of the old and new testament by memory for a grade.  I guess what I'm saying is that if my educational background and rigorous Biblical memorization schedule wasn't enough to keep me from overlooking discrepancies in the Bible, I can only imagine what that must mean for people who have never bothered picking up the book more than once or twice a week.  

     

    What you have said is very insightful.


  13. 4 hours ago, florduh said:

    I did research it. I also researched several other crackpot theories such as flat earth. I am just noting that I have found it rather unrewarding to mount a logical argument against those who maintain a blind faith in the ridiculous. Some people enjoy arguing with lunatics, and that's fine. I just don't expect such arguments to change any minds, that's all. No insult intended to those who wish to pursue debates with people who believe weird shit. Hell, I used to do it.

    Hey, florduh.  I appreciate you taking the time to respond to all of my comments.  I think it's safe to say that we have reached a mutual understanding of one another, and although I might not see everything eye to eye with you, I can still respect where you are coming from. :) 


  14. 11 minutes ago, DarkBishop said:

    Jesus was calling out to his God who was named EL. My challenge is that you find out who he is talking to. research the god EL. When you look that up you will start to see where the bible started. 

           

    Dark Bishop, it is so nice to meet someone else in the world who knows a little bit about the god, El.  Ancient Mesopotamian history is fascinating to say the least. :)

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  15. 4 hours ago, florduh said:

    Few people with education and reasoning skills would waste time trying to construct arguments against the Mandela Effect, Flat Earth, Alien Shape Shifters or Lord Xenu. We really can't debunk every crazy fantasy or conspiracy theory the nut jobs come up with. It's the old "playing chess with a pigeon" scenario. There's nothing to be gained by lending serious consideration to crackpot theories. If we recognize that one can't prove a negative, they win; if we still try and offer irrefutable evidence they still claim a win because we must be brainwashed.

    Well, florduh, I beg to differ...  I actually find this topic and a number of other conspiracy theories to be interesting, especially when they concern the religion I was raised to believe in.  You might think it's a huge waste of time to research subjects like the Mandela Effect, and that is perfectly okay.  However, not everyone is going to feel the same way as you do.  And, not everyone who chooses to do so is unintelligent.  I happen to be at the top of my class in college, a member of a well-respected academic fraternity, and I was the only student in my entire high school to pass the ACT with perfect scores.  So, it would be nice if you wouldn't be so quick to form such broad generalizations about intelligent people and the subjects they may or may not be interested in.

     

    At one time, people who went out of their way to disprove the legitimacy of Christianity were also said to be "wasting their time."  I, for one, am glad that they didn't give up in their quest to search for truth no matter how hard that might have been to do at times.  As a matter of fact, some of the old skeptics were considered to be so crazy that they ended up being burnt at the stake for their inquiries.  I guess that's what happens when the worldview of those in leadership is severely threatened, and the bubble they live in is on the verge of being popped.

     

    On a lighter note, I see research into the Mandela Effect as it relates to the Bible as a great learning opportunity.  It is worth the time and effort one might put into researching it if only because it will inevitably lead the person who goes on that quest to gain a little more knowledge as it concerns the history of transcription and translation.  It also gives a person a great opportunity to learn about the brain and human psychology in general.  There are many people in the world who have made a lot of money who chose to spend their time researching subjects that were considered far more bizarre and outlandish by mainstream society.  I don't mind counting myself among them.

     

    It would be nice to think that a person can anonymously join an online community that professes to be "open-minded" and discuss topics that he or she otherwise might not be able to discuss in normal everyday society, don't you think?

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  16. 54 minutes ago, florduh said:

    As far as I have seen, the Mandela Effect argument is simply that varying numbers of people remember a given thing to have been one way while in fact it is another. How does one argue with, "but I remember it being different!"? That's how they remember it, case closed.

    Hi, florduh.  I couldn't agree with you more, and that is exactly why I brought this topic up. Out of all of the ideas that the Christian fringe has been promoting here lately, this is one of the hardest to refute.  That is to say it's not hard to refute when one uses common sense, logic, and anything resembling rationality, but for a number of differing reasons, the people who are convinced that the Mandela Effect is a real phenomenon simply refuse to listen to arguments which are constructed along those lines.  And, it's worth mentioning that they are so convinced that it's real that they are working overtime to promote a number of different agendas that are related to it which range from government conspiracy to science experiments gone south.  I haven't seen near the strength of effort from people who don't believe in it to do anything to refute their claims.  As a result of this, the movement continues to grow stronger and stronger.

     

    So, I'm really hoping that some of the people who take the time to read through this thread will do the extra research needed to explain away the abnormalities in the verses I've listed above.  

     

    For starters, Genesis 1:1 seems way off.  First, if God only created one heaven, as the verse implies, why wasn't it simply phrased, "In the beginning, God created heaven and the earth," as opposed to, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."?  Anyone who has a decent education in English should be able to look at this verse and immediately recognize that it is grammatically incorrect (at least by today's standards).  Along the same lines, why did the translators of the New King James Version feel the need to pluralize the term, heaven, if it was intended to be a singular term according to the King James Version?  "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (NKJV)

     

    I am content with the conclusion that the translators of the KJV made a few mistakes.  However, considering it's the very first verse in the Bible - meaning it would have been the very first thing anyone saw who looked over it during the final editing stages - it is highly plausible that there might have been something else going on.  So, which translation is correct - the KJV or the NKJV?  Also, later on the in the Bible there are references made to the multiple heavens which is completely contradictory to the singular heaven found in Genesis 1:1.  "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." 2 Corinthians 12:2 (KJV)

     

    In short, providing solid answers to the questions I have posed above will serve to create a solid foundation from which sound arguments against the Mandela Effect can be built upon.


  17. 13 minutes ago, florduh said:

    Flat Earth is also a hot topic among the Christian fringe these days. 

    True, and there are very few people I know of who are very good at academically refuting their wild claims. I mean for the average flat-earther it's not enough of a refutation for someone to just come along and say, "I'm so sure. The earth is round, you idiot! Ha ha ha!"  Subsequently, because the average Jane and Joe has not taken the time to educate his or her self on why the earth is round, the number of people who believe in a flat earth continue to grow.  This is mostly due to the fact that the majority of people do not understand basic geometry and physics.  For example, there are a lot of people floating around who think that the shadow on the moon is caused by the earth, and these people (non-believers included) are the ones who end up completely confused by the first flat-earth video / argument that comes along.  Now, with that being said, I do think the Mandela Effect is an important topic to research if only for the sake of keeping oneself educated and informed on current trends.


  18. Just now, florduh said:

    The supposed changes in the KJV are hardly at odds with what people remember as the correct wording. And why is it only the KJV? A Christian falling for a delusion would be more like believing in Joel Osteen or becoming a Mormon, not mis-remembering if it was a lion or a wolf.

    I'm very much inclined to agree with you, florduh.  However, this social phenomenon is spreading like wildfire.  It's not just a few people who believe it's true - it's more like hundreds of thousands.  The only reason I chose to post this topic is because it is very quickly becoming a topic of interest in mainstream Christianity.  Chances are, you and others who use this website will eventually run into someone out there who is totally convinced that all of it is true.  So, in my humble opinion, it is definitely a topic that is worth getting acquainted with.


  19. Apparently, the pastor in this video is heartbroken because of the Mandela Effect.  This video shows him breaking down and telling his congregation that the Bible has changed...  There are now many believers out there who are claiming that the Mandela Effect is the "strong delusion" that God has chosen to use to keep people from coming to know the truth in the last days (2 Thessalonians 2:11).  Rather than rejecting it as being rubbish, they have chosen to believe that the Mandela Effect is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.  What are your thoughts on this?

     

    "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

     

     


  20. 25 minutes ago, Jeff said:

    Our digital virtual world has a DRY codebade. 

    Someone updated a variable. 

    Ha ha ha!!! :D  I've always been fascinated by the simulated reality theory.  Believe it or not, many of today's top scientists take the theory seriously.  Scientific American featured an article in which author, Clara Moskoitz writes, "Moderator Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the museum’s Hayden Planetarium, put the odds at 50-50 that our entire existence is a program on someone else’s hard drive. “I think the likelihood may be very high,” he said."  In the same article she also writes this, "A popular argument for the simulation hypothesis came from University of Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrum in 2003, when he suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors.  They would probably have the ability to run many, many such simulations, to the point where the vast majority of minds would actually be artificial ones within such simulations, rather than the original ancestral minds. So simple statistics suggest it is much more likely that we are among the simulated minds."

     

    Anyway, you just never really know, now do you?

    Source link: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/


  21. I'm not sure if this is where I should be posting this bizarre topic...  I apologize in advance if the subject matter in this post doesn't belong here.  My reasons for choosing this section of the forums is because the topic in question threatens to turn all of Christian theology on its head.

     

    So, I'm sure some of you might have heard of this curious thing called the Mandela Effect.  For those of you who haven't, I'll give you a brief run down.

     

    The Mandela effect is basically a strange phenomenon in which people report that things in the world around them have mysteriously changed from what they remember them being in the past.  Popular examples include scenes in old movies, spellings of popular products, geographic locations of various regions, land masses, cities, etc., lyrics to songs, human anatomy, and the list goes on and on.  Sounds pretty crazy, right?  If you want to learn more, there are about a thousand YouTube videos currently posted that cover the subject.  I recommend the Esoteric Detective's YouTube channel.

     

    Anyway, I am normally very skeptical when it comes to claims like these, but there is one particular Mandela effect that I haven't been able to explain away very effectively. It is the fact that it appears as if various verses in the King James version (and only the King James version) of the Bible have mysteriously been hanged...  I imagine that some of you are laughing at me right now, and I honestly don't blame you one bit.  I would be inclined to do the same thing.  However, bear with me, and take a look at the following list I've put together.  

     

    1. Job 19:23 "Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!"  - I don't think that printing or books existed during the time that Job was written.

     

    2. Exodus 34:19 "All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male."  Ummm... was matrix a word that was commonly used in the 1600s?

     

    3. I Samuel 25:13 "And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff."  Does it seem odd that the two hundred men abode by the "stuff?"  I seem to remember the KJV being a bit more specific than this.

     

    4. I Samuel 30:24 "For who will hearken unto you in this matter? but as his part is that goeth down to the battle, so shall his part be that tarrieth by the stuff: they shall part alike."  Once again, the word, stuff, seems strangely out of place...

     

    5. Ezekiel 12:4 "Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go forth into captivity."  The word, stuff, in this verse doesn't even make sense.  There are many other instances of this word, but I'll let you do your own research.

     

    6. Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."  I don't remember the baby Jesus being referred to as a "holy thing."  Do you?

     

    7. Mark 13:10 " And the gospel must first be published among all nations."  Wasn't the gospel supposed to be preached as opposed to published???

     

    8. Matthew 9:17 "Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved."  Ummm....  Wasn't it wineskins? For starters, this parable doesn't make a bit of sense when the word, bottles, is used in place of wine skins.  Bottles don't expand, but wine skins do.  Do I need to explain myself?

     

    9. Isaiah 11:6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."  Am I crazy, or didn't this verse originally say the lion shall lay down with the lamb, not the wolf?

     

    10. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  I always remember this verse saying, heavens (plural) as opposed to heaven.

     

    11: Mathew 27:9 "“Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;”  Ummmm.... Since when was the prophet, Jeremiah, called Jeremy???

     

    There are many other verses that appear to be different from what I remember them being as well, but I think I have posted enough here to make my point.

     

    I'm really hoping that someone will take a serious look into this.  I'm not quite sure what to make of it.  If these are not changes, then I have to conclude that the translators of the original King James version Bible were not very good at their job (which is very possible).  If they are changes, it makes me wonder if time travelers from the future went back to the 1600s and messed up he Bible on purpose to send a message to us in the here and now that none of it is true.  Maybe they are trying to avert world war 3 or something?  Who knows?  All the same, I don't care how skeptical you are about weird phenomena this has got to strike you as being pretty strange.

     

    One last thing... There have actually been reports of preachers breaking down and crying in front of their congregations because the Bible has somehow mysteriously changed.  I think some of them have even been recorded doing so on video.  So much for the notion that "God's word never changes" right?

     

    Thanks for taking the time to read this!  I hope you enjoy researching it. :)  

     

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