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    I have a Master of Arts Honours Degree for a thesis on The Place of Ethics in Heidegger's Ontology, and was a moderator at the discussion forum Truth Be Known.

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  1. Another way to consider this point is that regret about the past involves sorrow about our mistakes, understanding what we did wrong, why and how things we and others did were wrong, and how wrong action and belief causes bad effects. It is true that we can't change the past, but we can change our attitude toward it. Understanding the past better is essential to seek forgiveness and reconciliation. The past continues to live in the present.
  2. · While I am sympathetic to that view, it is important to regard Christianity as originally developed as Buddhism for the west, and to analyse how this enlightened vision was overtaken, corrupted and suppressed by the depravity of western culture. The apocalyptic problems of depravity facing the world can’t be fixed by the methods of spiritual detachment promoted by Buddhism, but require the direct confrontation between good and evil proposed in Christianity.
  3. · The Bible itself suggests that separating good from bad can be approached on the model of separating wheat and tares. The issue here is that interpretation of the Bible has been corrupted by Christendom, by what the poet WB Yeats called ‘twenty centuries of stony sleep’ with the untrue theology of orthodox faith. Yeats’ idea that the world could wake from this bad dream involves a recognition of the original authentic origins, separating the wheat and tares at harvest time
  4. · I am trying to develop a scientific historical understanding of the most probable origins of Christianity, and as a result to ask how Christianity today should reform to reflect its real origins rather than the supernatural emotional fantasies of church tradition. · Obviously you are right that this agenda includes a lot of complicated analysis. However, it also can be boiled down to see some very simple stories, reflecting the steady emergence of science as the basis of ethics. · Only mechanics need to look under the hood to see how a car works. Most people o
  5. I am not "coming at it as Christian Atheism", rather, I am saying that my views seek to represent the original ethical meaning of Christianity, in which language about God is seen as symbolic rather than literal. Perhaps I need to change my "Christian Atheist" description, although I still like atheism as an ethical movement focused on evidence and logic as the highest values. My sense is that atheists regard talk of God as meaningless, lacking real reference, whereas my view is that talk of God is entirely meaningful as long as it sees God as an imaginative construct
  6. [continuing reply above] · Everything about religion touches on emotions whose basis includes a large measure of unconscious assumptions. I appreciate that many ex-Christians have been burnt by their personal exposure to religion, so are emotionally confronted by my view that it is possible to reconcile Christianity with modern rationality. Such a reconciliation has to involve major reform of Christianity to make it rational. · I regard respect for diversity as a core moral principle of authentic Christianity, reflected in the question from Matt 25:40 ‘what did you do fo
  7. Yes, it reflects how the idea of God as construction has become the modern rational orthodoxy since Feurbach’s The Essence of Christianity two centuries ago explained the idea of God as a psychological projection. The problem, as I mentioned, is the emotional virulence of literalism, which describes such ideas as Satanic, and thereby effective suppresses calm discussion in church circles. Eg this viperous fundy review of Hendrikse’s Believing in a Non-Existent God https://peterhorrobin.com/2011/08/believing-in-a-non-existent-god/
  8. I expect the ideas of an evidence based Christianity to emerge more widely in this decade, extending out of the internet ghetto with a more confident and coherent story that actually explains all the historic data while presenting a more credible ethical message than the conventional supernatural church. There are Dutch Christians who do not believe Jesus was historical, which indicates this is a possible view, plausible, credible and actually widespread although suppressed by the virulence of literalist opposition. Of course the willingness of literal Christians to e
  9. Hi Weezer, I personally think that moving toward evidence-based Christianity could be sudden. Very few people have explored the theological idea that it is possible to be a Christian while being unsure if Jesus was historical. In general, mythicists have treated the non-existence hypothesis as a slam dunk against faith. That is a superficial view that does not engage with theology. I prefer to see that conventional religion has systematically concealed the enlightened spirituality of the ancient world for base political motives, so everything in believer theology should be view
  10. I had not heard of this book. Here is the Amazon blurb. "Once upon a time there was a Christian gospel without doctrines. There was time when Christianity did not have beliefs. It did not require its adherents to accept a set of theological statements. There was no New Testament. There were no creeds or doctrinal statements. There was no clergy or ecclesiastical hierarchy. No vestments or sacraments.No one had ever heard of ideas like the Virgin Birth, the Incarnation, the Trinity or the Second Coming. Concepts like the Fall of Man and a subsequently necessary Atonement, accomplis
  11. In the theology of the New Testament, the love of God is unconditional and freely given, but forgiveness is conditional upon repentance, as explained in the Baptism of Christ in the first chapter of Mark. Repentance means being sorry for what you have done wrong, understanding how and why it was wrong, and being sorry for the harm it caused. Such genuine remorse is the condition for restorative justice, which then enables true forgiveness and reconciliation. No one can really forgive a criminal who believes their evil deed was in fact a good thing to do. The idea tha
  12. Hi Pantheory, I have been participating quite actively on the ex-Christian forum for a few months now, including reviving my earlier thread from 2017 on Christian origins and starting a new one on precession in Christianity. Thanks for your kind welcome. Your first link by Per Brask displays a truly pitiful level of analysis. It seems to support a preconceived implication that Jung was a Nazi sympathiser by pretending he supported views that he in fact opposed. As I noted in my previous reply, for Jung to describe the Nazis as "lying propaganda" sets the context for his analysis
  13. I led an online discussion on American Gods some years ago, although some of my posts got truncated later by some accidental algorithm. It is a fascinating and brilliant book. I am sure that Jung’s theory in Wotan of Gods as psychic forces rather than either existing or invented entities was an important influence on Gaiman. His characters such as Wednesday seek to somehow channel personalities out of the American collective unconscious. This theory of Jung’s is the point of this thread, with his question of how the psychic forces at play in German identity, including the heritage
  14. · Symbolic interpretation of the Gospels can be made compatible with scientific knowledge. Literalist interpretation serves only political belief. So while the literal view had an initial ability to overwhelm the truth, sustained through the entire period of Christendom by suppressing dissident philosophical dialogue, the gradual re-emergence of a more analytic approach means that supernaturalism will be seen as a mistaken example of building a house upon the sand.
  15. · Yes, I take the view that the removal of coherence from early Christianity occurred due to the perceived need to place emotional comfort above rational consistency, putting politics before philosophy. But the long term survival of Christianity depends on reforming it to make it compatible with evidence. · Even Augustine supported that principle of evidence in his study of Genesis, saying anyone who finds something in Christian books that seems at variance with rational perception should understand that such conflict is not necessary to the accounts of the scriptures.
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