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  1. The truth is outside of the Christian theological framework there isn't any purpose for an everlasting hell. Can anyone who considers themself intellectually honest come up with a reason why it's necessary? It is only necessary to scare everyone into becoming Christian so priests and pastors can make money IMHO. Punishments are for corrective purposes. There is no real reason for an infinite punishment.
  2. But science and reason can be, and so can the Bible and the Christian God... If anything it was good that your inward condition of hatred improved, but is there a need to send anyone to hell if God has that capability? God wants people to go to hell, then. It even says so in the Bible. Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated. I guess we must just admit that if the Christian deity is real, he hates most people and wants them to fry forever. It really does lead to indifference and contempt for the whole religion when viewed that way. I don't scoff at anyone's personal experiences so let
  3. I'd rather believe that toys are manufactured and assembled in China by wage slaves who earn a meager living and sleep in factory dormitories and purchased by US consumers oftentimes living beyond their means and maxing out their Amex or Visa during the holidays because that's the truth.
  4. I suppose if one thinks of the spiritual realm or heaven as a holodeck that caters to your personal beliefs, then that makes sense. What about those vehemently opposed to Santa that happen to be Christian? Not all Christians believe as you do. Do they exist in a separate comaprtment in heaven?
  5. That's a good example, considering the abusive nature of the God of the Bible. Thank you for informing us we should love an abuser
  6. You can't. But I do not presume to speak for atheists since I am not one. If you're going to be Christian perhaps you should read your Bible from cover to cover and then decide if you want to keep the faith. I don't particularly hate Christians to be honest, but I really can't force myself to pretend to love the most narcissistic being that's ever existed in all of eternity. You're supposed to love the LORD with all of your heart, your mind, and your soul. You will never receive that love in return. At least not from the monster depicted in the Christian Bible. I'm an ex-christian because
  7. The Christian God is the most callous evil being imaginable in my opinion. He loves Jacob and hates Esau for no reason whatsoever and admits it in the Bible. My qualm isn't that he should be teleporting people or we should live in a perfect world. I just hate his attitude. He's like the spoiled conceited communist bastard from hell who just takes and never gives and expects society to pick up the tab, except the tab isn't a welfare check its the entire planet. The world can't be perfect, but Jesus would create the worst of all possible worlds for most people.
  8. It doesn't really look like the God in my OP is either one. There was no hell in the OT, or if there was it was seldom mentioned. Where in the OT were people afraid of the flames of hell? The God of the OT was strange and brutal, but none of the Isrealites would have ever gone to battle were they afraid of some eternal torture chamber.
  9. "'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. Ezekiel 14:9 It's always nice to now that the LORD entices prophets to utter lies. God of truth or...?
  10. Amazing hate to seal my fate and damn a wretch like me and burn the USA from sea to shining sea plague with frogs the gentile dogs and send them all to hell when i see a nonbeliever i say dear god, what's that smell the fag, the queer he who drinks beer at them i scoff and sneer my righteous sons in the bible belt stand up high and proud the Lord will slay the liberal men when he appears in a cloud
  11. But from what I understand "hell" was the valley of Hinnom, Gehenna, a burning garbage dump where criminals and trash were thrown. I suspect Christians of conspiring to scare everyone with a burning lake or place of torment so they can stuff their offering plates.
  12. This is a sermon excrept from Sinners in the hands of an angry God by Jonathan Edwards The wrath of God is like great waters that are dammed for the present; they increase more and more, and rise higher and higher, till an outlet is given; and the longer the stream is stopped, the more rapid and mighty is its course, when once it is let loose. It is true, that judgment against your evil works has not been executed hitherto; the floods of God’s vengeance have been withheld; but your guilt in the mean time is constantly increasing, and you are every day treasuring up more wrath; the
  13. In the Beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now, I wonder what secret Spirit-filled interpretation I should apply to this because after all it can't just mean that God created the heaven and the earth. I'm not capable of understanding the Bible, so it must mean something else
  14. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27. Evidently pure religion is not a conversion to Christianity according to the Bible itself. Please do feel free to post any other verses that debunk Christianity as I'm sure there are plenty.
  15. I prayed once for a pain my right side and it went away. I did this with one of the televangelists. So while I no longer believe in Christianity, I did receive benefit from prayer.
  16. You know God, by all means, I certainly don't mean any disrespect so please hold off on the divine judgement and everlasting wrath, but I really think I speak for everyone when I say you could really use a beer.
  17. When examined logically from outside of the perspective of religion Hell makes no sense at all. Punishments usually fit the crime in our society and God is said to be the source of all good and blessing who suddenly turns into a monster after people die and sends them to hell for their disbelief. Why does God change after people die? People aren't burning in hell now so when we look at it rationally is it not more likely that the threat of hell was conjured up by the Church to make people afraid and keep them loyal to their religion.
  18. Apperantly the deity in question has a narcissistic attitude and an incredibly poor disposition when relating to his creation. He seems ill tempered about things completely beyond one's control and his fits of rage betray his immature nature. When it comes to one's beliefs, we would expect that the burden of ensuring that people believe correctly lies upon Him rather than people, and that if it is so important that someone believe a particular way, he would ensure that they do.
  19. Original sin was merely the desire to become like God. Now any God worth his salt would desire his children to become like Him, therefore making eating the fruit the right decision in the first place.
  20. For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Hebrew 6:4-6 So really I tasted the "badness" of the word of God and now I can't go back. I believed in Christianity before I read it. I don't like a lot of what Paul said about creating p
  21. But how do you promote your book and let others know they may be interested in reading or purchasing it? Its one thing to send it to a traditional publisher and let them sell it to a bookstore, its quite another to throw it up on Amazon with millions of other books hoping and praying that someone will read it when it sits there amongst millions of other books. There must be a way to drive traffic to the Amazon store.
  22. Not usually. The reason that God was invented was because he was made in man's image. Some people are good, but I'm a cynic when it comes to humanity. Most people are abusive, condemning, angry, petty, unjust, and vindictive and so they invented a god to suit them.
  23. Honestly God seems extremely selfish to condemn people for having a desire. If it were your children you would most likely not condemn them for wanting something so then why does God?
  24. Critique religion all you want, but don't blaspheme a decent fast food restaraunt!
  25. When you look at as a collection of stories, myth, and the way the people saw God instead of being infallible as though one author wrote it in one sitting it is just a book they used for spiritual guidance it is a collection of 66 different books and the opinions of Paul are his opinion etc. The church makes it seem like its inerrant and every word was dictated by God Himself so while I don't believe there was a Bible conspiracy in that the book itself was one, the Christian church turned it into one. We're free to doubt it or examine it skeptically without being thrown into a burning lake fo
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