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    I was raised as a Calvinist. Needless to say I moved past it, now.

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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
    I am not attached to that word.

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  1. Hello, and the reason for my username

    Hello Hedge_Rat! Thank you for your story. Your description of that preacher reminds me of some of what I was raised to believe in. My theory is that people like that worship themselves, and use the concept of 'God' as a convenient mode of externalizing that narcissism in a shroud of false humility. Since they believe that 'God' is always right, and by 'God' they mean their extremely specific system of interpretations that work all-so-conveniently for them, there is very little sense of responsibility and accountability for their decision making. "Predestination" is at best a completely irrelevant abstract theological point, and at worst an excuse to renounce yourself the responsibility over the choices you make in your life. I believe you made the right choice by distancing yourself from them.
  2. Any room for a Catholic turned agnostic?

    It's survival consciousness. The strategy is to keep people in a constant state of flight-or-fight thinking (a sense of mortal urgency), because in that state of mind people are prone to apply less critical thinking or logic to their decision making, and are more susceptible to misdirection or manipulation. It's a similar strategy in spirit to the "you need to forward this email to ten people or you are going to die" type of memes. Some people live their lives frantically clicking "forward" over and over again. What a wasted life.
  3. My apologies

    It's alright Thanks for letting us know. People here care~
  4. "A Unique Moment in History"

    That's interesting. I never really thought about that particular uniqueness of that specific period of history. It's interesting, to me, to consider how the lack or a disinterest in theistic narratives can sometimes help people approach a sense of personal will and responsibility, which I believe is emphasized in Stoicism.
  5. The danger of Christianity

    Welcome! I hope the support and resources in this site helps. Your testimony reminded me about how hard I wanted Christianity to be true in the beginning days of my deconversion... that's something a lot of Christians don't acknowledge since they tend to assume that everyone who leaves leaves for evil reasons.
  6. my thoughts for today

    Wow... just wow. On second thought I'm glad you're here. You're a great example of a Christian!
  7. my thoughts for today

    Man, you handled that gracefully! Kudos!
  8. From Christian to Messianic to ????

    Welcome! Yeah it's a lot to work through! It took me ages to get passed the fear of hell even after I stopped believing. They really program it deep into you!
  9. Hello from an ex-worship director

    Welcome, Kittenswonderment! Yes, the type of people you describe are not interested in your story... nor any story that isn't useful for them accruing power, validation, or money. On the other hand, I bet the people on this website are super interested!
  10. I just feel sad about everything..

    I believe it's good to give yourself permission to feel the things that you feel. It's ok to feel sad... but don't be attached to the feeling indefinitely, if you can help it. I like to picture it as the feeling passing through you, with each breath.
  11. A letter to my parents

    Man, that letter was much wiser and kinder than the way I came out to my parents that I was leaving Christianity. Kudos!
  12. my thoughts for today

    It's particularly weird when you come from a Calvinist background... because some Calvinists will actually admit prayer doesn't work and consider the suggestion that prayer works as blasphemous (because who are YOU to dictate GOD'S WILL). Oddly enough, they still pray, though, I guess as a way of prostrating themselves in front of God and masochistically reminding themselves how small they are in comparison to him. I think both the unrealistically positive and negative interpretations of prayer stems from a very human tendency to dramatize their life. There might be some psychological benefits, though, by ritualistically expressing and processing one's emotions. I personally prefer meditation in this sense... in that it isn't necessarily attached to a dramatization or a mythologization about the nature of reality or god.
  13. Believers' testimonies

    There's a lot of confirmation bias in these things. People are quick to boast about when christianity helped them or worked for them, but if you pay attention there are also a lot of cases where conversion to Christianity has made people more cruel, selfish, or even more worldly (in the sense of becoming greedy). You can find examples of these 'negative testimonies' buried inside people's deconversion stories in this site, in both first-person and third-person. In general, though, people who see these counter-examples simply remain silent out of convenience or embarrassment. That being said, people struggle emotionally in their lives for a variety of reasons, and certain religious narratives do in fact help them in certain situations. A person may be severely deprived of a particular feeling that should have been provided by a father figure from their youth for example, and compensating it with an overindulgence of and addiction to a recreational drug. Adopting the 'God the Father' narrative might fill such a person with a kind of a fatherly-love feeling, thereby helping them overcome their addictions. Such a person might later claim Christianity miraculously healed their addiction. I do believe that religion does help people live better lives in certain situations, but it's very person-specific, and it doesn't mean the claims of the religion are necessarily true. I think one of the toxic misunderstandings of certain types of Christianity, like Evangelicalism, is the assumption that what works for oneself must be force-fed to other people with blatant disregard for their boundaries or circumstance.
  14. Jesus lead me to reject him

    Welcome! Wow it's comforting to hear that listening to other people's deconversion stories during the early stages of the deconversion process helps so much! Thank you for sharing!

    I agree completely. Not only it is preferable to think for ourselves it is our moral responsibility, and the bane for the toxic people who want to stop us from doing it.