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DestinyTurtle last won the day on August 4 2018

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    I was raised as a Calvinist. Needless to say I moved past it, now.

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  1. It always boggled me how these churches that claim a "good" and "benevolent" god also really lay in in thick how unworthy you are and how much that same god hates everything you do and is disappointed in you. The reason why they are so intent on destroying your sense of self worth is so that you'll fork over your power and your money...
  2. Welcome to X-Xian, @Jane! Let's be clear about the fact that you don't (and you never have) *made* them feel bad. They are responsible for their feelings, and their choice to believe in a nightmare reality where you can go to hell for not believing in exactly the right thing... that is their failing.
  3. Welcome, @Christopherhays! You are not a disappointment, and I am proud of you and people like you who show courage and perseverance under a great risk of alienation and manipulation! Glad you're here.
  4. Geez. That kind of performative, and narcissistic self-abasement is a dime a dozen. I've seen christians of many different kinds do this. It gets really bizarre sometimes with people taking turns trying to "out-humble" each out in a game of one-upmanship. I've seen preachers boast about their history of sexual conquests on stage, because, you know, it showed how "great" the mercy they received is. In reality, though, it's just them boasting about their sex life in public. I think the first one to do this was St. Augustine himself, in "Confessions" - that, and eating Pears, which apparently is REALLY BAD. I mean REALLY BAD. He STOLE a PEAR and LIKED IT. LORD SAVE ME. *cough* excuse me... anyways he thought stealing pears was the worst thing he's ever done never mind the womanizing... I've noticed people, in practice, mostly project whoever they are or whatever they value to the vaguely defined "god" or "Jesus" figure. People with a sadistic edge picture a sadistic god that enjoys inflicting pain on people (hell fire and brimstone), and sensitive and kind people will define god as a principle or person described as such. I have a certain affection and partiality to the ancient Greek gods who all represent character traits that all play in a weird, psychedelic, drama rather than attempting to describe a supreme entity that is impossible to describe by definition. In the end different Xian denominations are providing colorful illustrations of what character traits they want to elevate. That's all I got right now. Sorry my brain is soup at about this hour when I get back from work. Praise Zeus!
  5. Yes. They definitely did! Man did their attitudes and speech change behind closed doors! Half the time they were floating about other christians, who they deemed were 'fake'. I don't think they people they were talking about knew it.
  6. Yep. Unlike some other people in this forum I don't have any trouble with family trying to re-convert me since they believe that I am impossible to save (because they have decided I am unelect). This does simplify things a bit in some ways. It is also incredibly hurtful and alienating in its own way, but c'est la vie.
  7. I have a thorough deconstruction and criticism of the doctrine scattered about as comments throughout the site, I think? For one thing the theology is two-faced: believers in Calvinism like to harp about how they believe in an all-powerful God, unlike proponents of free-will (which apparently compromise God's power, according to Calvinists), yet they'll go on and on about what god "won't" do or "can't" do with respect to saving people's souls. Similarly they'll argue about how God's mind is unknowable and then proceed to regurgitate a detailed list of who they believe is or isn't one of the elect. Most of all it's a horribly arrogant, sadistic, and narcissistic world view. I mean c'mon what kind of person wants to claim that most people were created for the explicit purpose of being tortured for eternity to serve the "glory" of a God that apparently enjoys inflicting this suffering-without-purpose-or-end? Add to that the tendency of Calvinists to have a personal, private list of people they believe were created for this purpose and then to privately gloat about how "good" it is to know that these people, who they personally know, will suffer forever. I can't go through life wishing and rejoicing in people (including friends and family) to go to hell. Anyways that was more of a vent than a rigorous argument. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
  8. I was a Calvinist! It is absolutely not worth it. Will not recommend. Then again, according to my parents it's because I'm one of the unelect and was therefore predestined to not "get it" so...
  9. I grew up meticulously reading the bible, as a child. I used to be a devout fundamentalist. During a particularly emotional and transitional moment in my deconversion process, I threw it in the dumpster. Years later when I was able to approach the bible from a neutral, academic, and scholarly perspective I got a new copy of the bible. Now it sits on my bookshelf for reference because it is, after all, a very historically relevant and referential text.
  10. I'm proud of you, @Jace! That is some serious courage and character you demonstrated! My dad thinks I'm going to hell, too! It sucks and it took many years to get over, but trust me it's better to leave that toxic abusive nonsense.
  11. I found it interesting after hanging out with atheists and "non-believers" that most of them are much more sexually moderate, respectful, and self controlled than most so-called born again Xians. I really think in a lot of cases that repression *is* what causes people to become sexually violent. Also some of the basic foundational attitudes of Evangelicism is to violate people's boundaries by threatening or coercing them into their "faith" and I think that attitude carries onto their view of sexuality as well.
  12. I am completely and absolutely not surprised. I imagine the convicted pastors will eventually make an impassioned speech about repenting and being born again (for real this time), and then proceeding to publicly boast about their sexual endeavors in a larger BS narrative about how it shows how great god is. Their future congregation will lap it up.
  13. Welcome, @jupiter789! Man I hear you. I grew up in a fundamentalist family, too, and also feared similarly about economic and social abandonment by my family. I look back in awe at how much I was able to reclaim, but I still struggle with a deep seated anger at the things that they deprived me of - to the extent that they could. In any case, we get to live our own lives now.
  14. The situation sounds terrible and I'm sorry to hear it. It's important to remember : It's not your job to fix him. You set your boundaries clearly, which is great. What he does with his life and his addictive personality is his responsibility.
  15. Hello and Welcome! It's good to know that X-Xian self-expression doesn't only land on deaf ears and that sometimes it does communicate and persuade people. What a powerful impact it can have on an individual's life, if they have the earnestness and courage to face it! Anyways, glad you're here!
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