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  1. Thank you for your respectful comments. Yes, I am agnostic, but understand that all religions are created by humans. It is "god" or the "creator" that I don't know about. If there is one, I don't believe it is the one(s) that the bible, or other religions talk about. The "I don't knows" are about who created "god" (if there is one), and the billions of galaxies in existance, and is there an afterlife, etc. Is it magic? I believe there are some things we simply don't know, and likely will never know, at least in our lifetime. Therefore the title "agnostic". No, I am not about saving "souls" in a reliigious sense. I am about what is in the best interest of humanity on our planet, and of our planet itself. And the disrespect I see going on is not in our best interest. That is at the core of my concern, here on the site, and in the world. But many here don't appreciate my concern, so I'll go elsewhere. Best wishes!
  2. Yes, 36 years experience as a behavioral/social scientist working with people about how to deal with life more effectively. But my suggestions have been largely ignored here. So I am going elsewhere. I am no longer a christian, but do consider myself a humanist.
  3. There is nothing mysterious about my leaving. midniterider is correct. This is no longer a site I wish to support and have decided to throw my support to a more professional approach, RECOVERING FROM RELIGION.
  4. For some reason Bro and myself have really got under your skin. You may want to think about why that is the case. I just do not agree with the macho "stick it to them" approach to life like you do. It just adds to the division and hate that is going on in our society today. Don't worry, you will eventually get your wish. I am finding less and less reason to come here. The site is becoming more of a discussion among regulars, than a support for new ex-christians.
  5. The kindest thing I know to say is that you are delusional and enjoy being rejected and insulted. As for me, This is the end of our conversation.
  6. Agreed. He is doing what he has been programmed to do. And sometimes the best response to them, is to not respond.
  7. Some are assholes, but this one seems honest in his programmed efforts. And even if he was an asshole, do we really need to get down on his level?
  8. Please think again about what you said. That is bad karma. Negative energy. Disrespectful. When you can't deal with people with respect, you need to do some soul searching. If that statement is represenative of this whole site, I will leave gladly.
  9. I didn't say I was leaving. I'm just not going to give any more money. I think some good is being done here, and it could be even more effective if some of the macho, chest beating was modified. If you want to ignore the advise of 40 years of study and working with people from all walks of life, then so be it. You guys make fun of those who won't listen to you, and your knowledge, But you won't listen to those who know more about effective communication than you do. I find that rather ironic. You are giving atheists and agnostics a bad name. But it looks like you are mostly talking to yourselves these days. Carry on, if that's what floats your boat.
  10. Go back and read my response to him on Friday. And I sent him a PM encouraging him to read our testimonials. It may be like water off a ducks back, but I think it has a better chance of "planting a seed" than the insults slung his way.
  11. No attitude? You guys can continue to stroke your own egos if you want, but this site is not getting another penny of my support.
  12. I believe this attitude is counter productive. Remember that many of us here were also stupid shits at one point in life. Continue "as is", and watch the site continue to dwindle. It is one of the reasons you don't see me here very often anymore.
  13. BroRando has a good point. When I came to this website I thought it would be a good place to encourage people to open their minds to "truth", and help them recover from toxic beliefs. But too often it is a platform for "gotcha". I believe that attitide may be part of the reason the site is dwindling. And I'll admitt I joined in at times. Being away from the site for awhile, and looking at other approaches, and then coming back, the negativity seems to be increasing.
  14. BroRando, I appreciate your concern, but we have been in your shoes, but looked outside the box and discovered that what we had been told about what was in the box, was nothing but superstitions. A whole string of poorly put together superstitions, myths, etc. Open up your mind, pray to find truth, do an indepth study of the history of gods and religions, and then come back and tell us which one is the TRUE one. By the way, in my opinion, the doctrine of original sin contributes to the problem of suicide. Along with earthly parents who shame, neglect and abuse their children.
  15.  Probably not soon, but when I die, IF there is an afterlife, I'll come back and tell you about it.  😊

    1. alreadyGone


      Not soon!


      But... damn good of you to volunteer for such hazardous duty.


    2. Weezer


      I'll be glad to do it!  I'm sure god will give me permission to come back and explain it to everyone.

  16. A T shirt I got for my birthday. Forgive my sidetracking the thread!
  17. I didn't read all of the above, but in my study of Jesus, the thing that made me decide he may have existed was reading the gnostic gospels which were left out of the bible. They made him seem more human, probably why they were not canonized. And he could have been a victium of his circumstances. Conditioned as a child to believe he was "fathered" by god, and eventually took it seriously, believed he was to be a savior, and set out to "save" mankind. Summed it up in the 2 "greatest commandments". Perhaps studied under the Essenes, which (if he existed) some of his teaching and life reflected. This is a summary of my post in the Testimonial section, titled, "IN DEFENSE OF JESUS". I still believe the second greatest commandment, to, "love neighbor as self" is a profound concept. Basically an improved version of the golden rule. Keep up the good work! P.S. My "oldometer" just rolled over 80 years.
  18. I agree we need a new "movement", but it is hard to "trump" (I hate to us that word, but it is all that came to mind) flamboyant, self proclaimed, "god given" experts. Do you have any idea as to getting a rational, evidence based movement off the ground?
  19. For whatever it is worth, I agree that we don't need the "fluff and circus" of religion (or politics) but it seems about half the world still "wants" it. They are too lazy to think for themselves, and have been conditioned early in life for authoritarian thinking, to just follow, and be loyal to our flamboyant, "God given" leaders. Our moral evolution is evolving very slowly. And is stymied by conservative religion and politicians who discourage critical thinking, and higher education, in an attempt to keep things "as is". One of the first things authoritarians do (political or religious) is to stop or discourage education. And it seems authoritarian forces world wide are pulling out all the stops to stay in control. And they become even more powerful when politics and religion are united. For our children's well-being, hopefully the tipping point toward a rational, educated democracy will happen soon. Due to life's situations my time is very limited these days, but I'll try to visit the forum from time to time. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
  20. It seems this website is running out of sream, and i believe the moderators need to give some serious thoght as to the effect these senseless "discussions" that quickly turn disrespectful, are having on helping people leave religion. Too much of the "energy" here is negative, and i belive drives people away who are serious about moving on in life in a positive way. There are too many "ego" battles going on. If you dont get some positive energy going, i predict this site will die.
  21. And sometimes you have to get creative. Get out of the old ruts we tend to develop for ourselves. Do something crazy and different. After years of thinking I was too old, I went back to riding Enduro motorcycles (mostly off road) again at 68 years of age. Still riding at 80. It took a couple of years, but got on an online motorcycle forum and discovered there are a few of us old geezers still riding in the USA. We plan months ahead to get together in different states and "ride". And keep in touch online during the year. And planning the rides is almost as fun as doing them. A couple next door belong to a square dance group. Another couple got into doing hot air balloons. A friend got into an old geezers band and play at nursing homes, etc. These things are not only fun for those doing them, but it is helping others enjoy life. And it is helping the economy, and creating jobs, by traveling and buying the "stuff" we use. In several ways it is contributing to life on the planet. Also another couple we know do volunteer work at a hospital. You can recreate some joy and sense of purpose in your life if you look at what killed it in the first place, and do something to rebuild it. You have been helpful to others by simply being on this forum and sharing your experiences. If you are so depressed that you can't see a way forward, see a professional to help get a jumpstart. But nothing will magically fill the emptiness you feel. Look up Maslow's, HIERARCHY OF NEEDS and see if there is something missing.
  22. But you still have the question, where did all those comets, heat, water, energy, etc come from? Does it really matter? It's here. I stopped worrying about where it came from, and started asking, what are we going to do with it?? And declared myself agnostic.
  23. I'm lazy and didn't read all the posts. Was the mystery of who created the endless cycle of creation solved?
  24. (other than endorphens) Contentment? Feeling worthwhile? It seems people that have these feelings don't have as much need for "highs" or thrills. What helps you feel worthwhile? What gives you a sense of accomplishment? Fulfillment? Completing a worthwhile project helps me feel "good". Having great sex with my wife helps both of us feel worthwhile. HA! as well as being thrilling!!! Doing things with friends that you all enjoy is great. We are social beings and mutual encouragement is needed. That is one of the things we loose when leaving church. There are other ways to get that mutual affirmation, but sometimes it takes a while to find it. Watching mindless TV, etc. is NOT the answer. Spending time with negative people is not the answer. And believing the doctrine of original sin is one big problem! And sometimes it is conditioned into us as children that we are worthless, or that our worth is conditional. Almost everyone in AA, or other support groups, or therapy, is struggling with feeling worthwhile. The acceptance of a group or therapist can help, but simply finding it in everyday life can also work. I hope this helps.
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