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Masihi

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  1. We don’t bear personal responsibility for his sins, but we suffer he effects of his mistake and sin, this happens in the real world so why you even arguing against it? If we die in our current state we die of the effects of Adams sin as death is not natural to our original nature, and we suffer due to us dying in it sins in the after life. We don’t bear any responsibility for his personal sins, just like how drug addiction can be inherited, obviously the person who is born this way will suffer without having personal responsibility for it however he receives the consequences of it.
  2. That’s not a correct statement as it’s the effect of your choice that havens you not the person giving you the choice. You can choose broccoli or ice cream, but if you choose ice cream you’ll get cavities and your teeth will rot.
  3. You can choose immortality or death. You have free will.
  4. The consequences of sin is death and a sinful nature which is more sin, we hold the consequences of Adams sin which is more sin and death and depravity. The cross frees us from death and the sinful nature of Adam.
  5. Where are the words obey me or die, we are made in God’s image for he is he source of life, if we reject life we die, we are free to choose God doesn’t force us to do anything.
  6. So because God gives Satan free will to choose good or evil and he chooses evil then it makes God an accomplice to Satan’s evil? The only way not to allow that is to not allow free will which wouldn’t make God just and would make him cruel.
  7. Again you never addressed what I said, do we understand omnipotence on a rational or logical level much less how it can logically exist or function. We as people can’t fully comprehend omnipotence, nor can any created being.
  8. Nice of you to not respond to anything I wrote, it’s not cherry picking because the text are talking about two different situations, so there not conflicting. Numbers 14 is talking about God punishing the nation of Israel for its rebellion against him and their unbelief. Ezekiel 18 talks about personal violations of the law and personal sin and what happens if a person violates the covenant and the commandments of God. I don’t need to get around anything, I only need to quote both passages to you in context.
  9. I just posted this on my previous post: In the Orthodox teaching we are subject to sinful tendencies, sickness, suffering and death as the result of our descendence from Adam. With Adam’s sin our nature was changed. Our goal now is to overcome these fallen tendencies with the help of the Holy Spirit and the way of Christ so we can gain union with God and live in harmony with him in Paradise. http://stgeorgegreenville.org/our-faith/catechism/the-ofall/original-sin God doesn’t hold us personally accountable for Adam and Eve’s personal sin, as no son suf
  10. There’s slot of unfounded claims on your part, if anything you just confined my point, the universe is so hostile towards life, and it’s pretty much dead set on not allowing life, yet here we are, not only existing, but have excelled to the point where we invented hand held devices capable of communicating with anyone in the world just as we are doing now. Pretty miraculous isn’t it. As to how many planets may hold life, according to most scientists only a tiny fractions of all planets that do exist may be capable of holding life, much less contain intelligent life. Go
  11. Keep in mind your original argument was that a being who understands omnipotence and how it works would be insane too oppose an omnipotent being. Unfortunately no one really understand how omnipotence functions or works or how it even exits on a logical basis, so Satan would merely be opposing God out of ignorance of his true power or true capabilities, even if he was not ignorant, Satan would know his place and final destiny thus as I said his goal is to take as many of us with him as possible. Satan however knows he can’t defeat God, so defeating us and is his only goal.
  12. I don’t even need to do apologetics on this one, all you need to do is read the passages in context. Nine speak of personal sin in it itself, but speak of personal sin having consequences that effect later generations. A persons children suffer the consequences of his mistake, while not being personally held accountable in of themselves, see Ezekiel 18:20. Also read my previous comment, I said where are we held personally responsible for our fathers sins, not if we suffer from the consequences of their sins.
  13. It’s the same thing I told TheRedNeck professor. We suffer the consequences of of our parents sins not personal responsibility see Ezekiel 18:20. God does not hold us accountable for our parents sins, but we still suffer there consequences.
  14. That’s exactly the same point rephrased and directed at Christianity and that’s not what Christianity teaches: In the Orthodox teaching we are subject to sinful tendencies, sickness, suffering and death as the result of our descendence from Adam. With Adam’s sin our nature was changed. Our goal now is to overcome these fallen tendencies with the help of the Holy Spirit and the way of Christ so we can gain union with God and live in harmony with him in Paradise. http://stgeorgegreenville.org/our-faith/catechism/the-ofall/original-sin God doesn’t hold us perso
  15. By the way a creator is the best explanation for how fine tuned our universe is. Not to mention our world is so unique among millions of billions of trillions of infinite stars and galaxies which are lifeless and are too toxic to support life. As the conditions to support life are really really what I’d like to call nearly impossible, yet here we are not only existing, but doing quite well. So I would argue the existence of a creator is more logical then your ideas of there being no sort of creator what so ever. If God didn’t want the rebellion to happen, it wouldn’t have happened very simple,
  16. That’s the dictionary definition of omnipotence, I asked can you understand omnipotence and understand what it is to be omnipotent, do you know what it is like to know every detail of the universe in past, present, and future in every small detail with noting escaping your eternal intellect, or how an uncreated being can bring everything into existence from nothing in seconds, if you or any of us understood it we’d be able to explain how such a thing would be scientifically possible, when on a human level it isn’t. None of us can understand how such a thing works or how such a thing could be l
  17. Perhaps the denomination which you belong too belong to acts cult like, still not a characteristic of the historic church which had debated on doctrine, ecumenical councils and etc. Pretty much all experienced Christians I talked to online were happy to answer any questions I had on Christian forums. If Christianity forbids questioning then why do apologetics in the first place?
  18. The words you wrote no where took place, also it’s pretty much showing your immaturity and your lack of a proper response to what I wrote.
  19. Where does it say we’re all personally responsible for our parents sins? Also very nice of you to ignore the rest of the post and only deal with the issue which you thought you could pick at.
  20. If Christianity encouraged no questioning of doctrine, then why make ecumenical councils where doctrine would be debated on freely by heretics and Orthodox and Orthodoxy defined, why have Church Fathers, why even have apologetics if you can’t question faith, apologetics itself requires one too ask questions of his faith. On the contrary cults have no formally defined doctrines like in Christianity or Islam, are very secretive, even restricting information from members, keeps non believers out, exploits its members, and can’t have anything close to a ecumenical Council or talk about doctrinal i
  21. Permission in the sense God allows the rebellion to take place, God allows Satan to do what he does so long as it fits into God’s will and plans and not more. A ruler may let a rebellion take place and allow it to continue if it serves a specific purpose.
  22. Only we can’t even grab a basic understanding of omnipotence much less fully understand it, neither can Satan who is fallible in mind and knowledge just as we are, only the omnipotent can fully understand omnipotent, everything non omnipotent is naturally ignorant of how omnipotence truly works.
  23. Who says God holds us all personally responsible? However we do suffer the consequences of what are parents did, the difference between us and Satan is since we in our ignorance sinned he has chosen to redeem us instead of letting us suffer eternally in separation from him as the source of all life, while Satan’s fate is eternal destruction and so would ours be if God willed it, however God in his love did the opposite due to he himself being eternal love. Satan was wiser then any of us, however his pride overcame his wisdom, his only goal is to take as many of us with him as possible as deep
  24. This tree as deserves the proper response, Satan was intelligent, but still not omniscient or all knowing or all wise. Was he wiser then any of us, yes, was he wise to the point of being infallible, no. Pride can make even he most intelligent people irrational or take irrational ideas. And being irrational doesn’t necessarily indicate insanity. Yes Isaiah is referring to the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar as the morning star however he is also figuratively referring to a more sinister persona behind the king, the Bible constantly does this in many places by mentioning characteristics of a thin
  25. As I said the dream was and is not the source of my faith in Christianity, not to mention that I already considered converting to Christianity before I had any sort of supernatural dream of any kind. Yes, my profile picture is of Yuhanna Al Dimashqi, the man who fought heresy all his life and strove for the Orthodox faith with never ending zeal. I try to emulate him in many ways in how I deal with Islam or other heresies. Not to mention both he and I both grew up under Islamic empires under oppression and like him I try to never give up. Most Eastern Orthodox currently view the Ori
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