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  1. So following this same line of thinking, for me, it was helpful to say a prayer, a sort of shout out to the universe, a plea stated as, "I am genuinely seeking to know the truth. To the power(s) that be, please make the truth known so that I may know and believe whatever is true." This prayer set me on a much different path than I ever anticipated, even further away from Christianity. Ultimately, your beliefs, as you have discovered, are not really a choice. I can't help that I don't believe that leprechauns or Zeus or vampires are real. There is just not enough evidence for those beliefs to resonate with me. So if you are unable to choose your beliefs it is not really up to you to make decisions about the nature of reality. It needs to be shown to you. Perhaps if you look at it that way, it may ease some of the pressure of having to choose- unnecessarily- the right way to believe. (Hope this makes sense). And happy birthday!
  2. Perhaps some at Ex-C do have New Age beliefs. Maybe they just don't subscribe to the specific belief that "technically (unwittingly) we give ourselves cancer, arthritis and other chronic conditions and then can rid ourselves of illness with some kind of 'right thinking'."
  3. I'm not I'm not certain, but I think "true believers" (of the Eastern philosophical persuasion) would challenge the notion that diseased babies and animals are a "problem." We perceive it as a problem, but that is our perception. (I imagine that if plants and animals had the same consciousness as humans do, they would see it as a "problem" being harvested for food.) It might not be possible to see the sum of all parts through our human lens. I don't know that all mystical/spiritual/alternative healing practices necessary have the same underlying belief that the way we think/feel is what leads to disease. Is that your understanding? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXHKVWx6ogs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhgjX6t_Ko
  4. Do you actually read your own sources? Statement retrieved from the website YOU cited, a 2020 statement prior to the vaccine indicates that the argument is with lockdown procedures, not vaccines: The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection. Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice. Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed. From the videos you posted, my favorite was from Prof. Knut Wittkowsk who said in May, 2020, there is no indication this will get any worse than a typical flu season. I think I'm done here. You don't even read your own "citations." In fact you don't even know how to find legitimate sources.(Hint: you need access to peer-reviewed journals. You can go google what that means and then waste some time finding a quack or two out there on some blog that says all that peer-reviewed sciency-research stuff is just bullshit). Let the name calling and hurling of insults begin . . . . Peace!
  5. So . . .essentially refusing to learn anything in class. Interesting.
  6. Pretty arrogant for you to assume we have not already done that. Clearly you haven't read any of the testimonies. So . . . .what does the "stupid" holocaust have to do with vaccines? Please tell me you're not one of the lunatics that denies the holocaust happened. I'm beginning to think give you might have a mental illness. That is not meant to be an insult, by the way. It just means if you subscribe to every conspiracy theory out there, you might want to consider why you are so impressionable. Ahhh. And here it is. This explains all the name-calling, all the posturing, all the arrogance, the attacks on science and education: SR cannot fathom how any believer could become a non-believer. This does not compute! The circuitry is frying!
  7. In a little over a year? Wow. Impressive.
  8. I would love to drag some of those people to countries that have not had the benefit of vaccination. Let's take them to oh, say anywhere in Africa, for example, where children are dying from diseases often largely preventable through vaccination. How privileged we are to be able to refuse vaccines that others would give their right arm for. One of my best friends is a medical researcher (dare I say scientist?) at Harvard. She has kids, elderly parents, and many family and friends that she loves dearly. Would she be callous enough to ignore - let alone participate - in these conspiracies against mankind? And would she be naive or stupid enough to be duped into participating unwillingly? From what I understand, she tells me there is great competition (actually pretty cutthroat) among researchers to be the first to discover a breakthrough for anything related to "curing" and to be the first to publish. Are there politics in science? Of course. But the sinister cooperation and coercion, apathy towards suffering, and utmost secrecy that would be needed by thousands of people at all levels in order to pull off these so-called conspiracies is just not realistic. https://www.voanews.com/east-asia/child-meningitis-remains-challenge-sub-saharan-africa-india https://www.medscape.com/answers/232915-10753/why-is-the-incidence-of-meningitis-higher-in-developing-countries-than-in-the-us
  9. Yes and of course those "self-educated" conspiracy nuts are not going to cite legitimate sources because only evil, formally educated, demon scientists are behind such sources. I mean . . .look at what happened when we came out with all those OTHER vaccines for tetanus, smallpox, rabies, polio, etc., etc. it was all a hoax! None of those diseases even existed. Everybody who knows the Truth knows that those vaccines were just a ploy. We were injected with microchips that forced us to become internet and television addicts.
  10. I actually agree with this statement. The irony here is that every single non-believer here actually DID give a lot of thought to what we believed, challenged our own beliefs, allowed ourselves to scrutinize the bible, and made a huge paradigm shift, despite the strong emotional attachment to our faith. So you are talking to people who are perfectly capable of giving serious thought to ideas that counter their own. If those ideas are dismissed, it has nothing to do with an inability to think before speaking.
  11. Glad you came here and shared. I think you'll find that deconversion can sometimes be a long process and there may be questions you'll continue to have. I hope you'll stick around. I think you have to take things one step at a time. As you grow more and more away from cult-thinking, you might find it unbearable to be anything other than authentic to yourself, or you may find a "comfortable zone" where you quietly disagree, but not really rocking the boat. (I am still in that zone, much older than you). But I'm hoping to one day finally take to heart the fact that if other people emotionally abuse me simply because I don't believe in the invisible things they believe in, that is entirely their problem and not mine. Also if I want to see real change away from harmful religious zealotry in my lifetime, I need to be part of the change. But . . . one step at a time. Best to you.
  12. So one doesn't need to be educated to make a statement about anything. Agreed. Science - and world progress - may be hindered by many things. So what? That does not invalidate the scientific progress we've made - or science, or scientific experts. So you've learned things from others, but clearly they must not be "experts" as experts are not to be trusted. So what humans (if any) do you trust to be truthful? Only the uneducated, unscientific, non-religious, conspiracy-theory believers of your particular flavor of Christianity?
  13. I really enjoyed this response. Its empowering to know that, yes indeed, just as I suspected, many of the "doctrinally sound" Christians truly do align with thinking from the dark ages. They also shun science while simultaneously enjoying the benefits of science (unless of course they've never taken a medication, used transportation, or a computer,or purchased goods of any sort, or. . . oh lets just say lived as a modern-day human). Thank you SR, and I mean this very sincerely, for confirming again and again why becoming an atheist is one of the healthiest things that ever happened for me. Your posts have put a spotlight on the literal medeival thinking that underpins Christianity. It is exactly this line of thinking that opened my eyes to the truth. In a strange way, you are indeed, spreading the truth of Christianity here!
  14. Well, this makes perfect sense . . . for someone living in the 16th century.
  15. As someone who struggles to be an "artist," I tend to agree. I find myself looking at a lot of modern art and saying, "even I could do that." However, I guess one needs to start with a definition of "art." There is this definition: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. If that definition suffices, then whatever has "beauty" or "emotional power," is as they say, in the eye of the beholder. It is interesting that there is such a wide difference of opinion among "beholders," especially if beholders are "art critics."
  16. I love how the word "redneck" translates in different languages! LOL
  17. Define evidence, supernatural and truth for starters. Well since you have decided scientific evidence is not good enough to test whether the "supernatural" is real/truth, I think it is up to you to define what constitutes "evidence" - for whatever it is you believe. Is it a gut feeling? Is it whatever you can observe with your 5 senses? Or is it something else?
  18. Oh, I see. Science is stupid. Got it. So, I'll ask again, what evidence do you suggest for determining which of the millions of supernatural claims are "truth?"
  19. You know nothing about my Christian background. Funny how you want to ask for something you can't give.
  20. Why is that stupid? Science has always been part of "supernatural" investigation. That's how we learned, for example, that mental illness is not due demon possession. In the absence scientific exploration, what evidence would you suggest?
  21. Hey, maybe check out this course (it's free) https://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145 Then see how your knowledge stacks up against those who have actually studied the Old Testament
  22. I love seeing this . Next to this: It speaks volumes.
  23. And what is so wrong with demanding scientific evidence? That depends on whether or not I knew and trusted you. So as long as you know and trust someone, anything they assert is to be believed without further investigation? Thank goodness our criminal justice system, health care system, journalism, etc. operates with the understanding that trustworthy people we know very well don't always get it right.
  24. Yeah, so atheists will cease to exist while believers live forever . . .without any idea of what that will be like. Sounds pretty risky to me. I don't recall any sort of suffering or missing anything at all when I did not exist before I was born. So it doesn't frighten me to "remain dead" (i.e. not exist) because there will be no pain, no suffering, no worrying, no disease, no having to fight for survival, no missing anything at all when I'm dead . Hmmmm. . . kind of sounds like heaven!
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