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    I'm an ex-fundie going on two years, navigating this thing called life.
    My Ex-timony: https://www.ex-christian.net/topic/76321-truth-set-me-free/

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  1. Read read read and read some more. Scholarly criticism about the Bible. About the concept of hell. Read accounts written by those who left the church, there are many good books. Read psychology and how religion controls the mind (Marlene Winell writes all about the challenges of deprogramming). Keep on feeding your brain with information. It sinks in eventually and will help. If it helps I'll tell you that the only reason why you're not terrified of the purple poka dot monster sending you to an ocean of muck you'll literally drown in, is because your mind reasons, your logical thinking ability gets you out of it, and number one, you weren't brainwashed. Eventually things will click and the ridiculousness of your former beliefs will be apparent.
  2. Welcome! If you're being taken advantage of, it's time to set boundaries (many of us here didn't grow up with proper boundaries and needed to learn about them) and take your power back.
  3. Just another idiot saying what this god is supposedly needing said or done cus ya know, tis mysterious, how humans always need to speak for him - almost like he doesn't exist!
  4. I think it's just the human tendency to give meaning to things, life included. Combined with the tendency to try gain power or influence over others. Those who want power or influence say "here's your meaning" to those who can't find such on their own, and ta da, you have religion.
  5. ^^assumption re bad experiences. Please, do not insult the intelligence of people here this way. Second assumption re not getting what we want from god. Again, please don't insult the intelligence and critical thinking ability of people here. Yet another assumption re disillusionment with god It's called asking for evidence and when you don't get it, not believing it. You need to get over the assumptions you just made. Edit: apologies, you're new here and I didn't say welcome. Also my response hopefully isn't rude but yeah I'm a bit tired of answering the question because the onus isn't on non believers to state why they don't believe in God(s) it's on the believers to explain why they do or what the evidence is for such existence.
  6. Agree with it all besides the statement on the PC crowd. Imo that's a generalization. In many cases those who use "PC" language have concerns over inclusion, in some cases over groups of people who have horrifically been marginalized and discriminated against. And I see no reason to call that black and white thinking so when you talk about PC language that's a sweeping generalization as PC language can mean different things to different people.
  7. The infinite sin thing serves a handy purpose: just another way of trying to put this god beyond critism or judgement. I don't know if it would help to tell you that if you grew up Muslim you'd be having similar struggles with leaving your Muslim faith. Only difference is this is your religious inheritance so you're struggling with this. Rather a coincidence that most people believe how their parents did, wouldn't you say? The hand of god in all that stuff is rather non apparent. It's an accident of birth.
  8. Well I don't think it's at all surprising that this god only "reached out" to the people who lived at the time these documents were written. Of course millions of people nowadays are ok with thinking that god somehow "reached out" to them because some good thing happened in life, like they found a parking spot or they were cured of cancer. Some people just can't live with uncertainty and fall into whatever belief system they were raised with.
  9. I remember pondering, during my exit from Christianity, why I had been horrified in history class when we learned about the Aztecs killing and sacrificing their own children, and realizing I was completely immune to any such feeling regarding my own Christian belief, which amounted to the same thing with the story of Abraham and Isaac, the father who kills his daughter in the old testament, and the core story of Christianity itself. The only difference is that Christianity has become a successful meme, and millions believe it to be true because they've been desensitized to the horror at it's core and indoctrinated from a young age. Millions believe it to be true simply because so many other people have the same belief. It might seem disastrous right now, but one day you may be very grateful for your questioning and curious personality.
  10. It wasn't evidence. It was not wanting to and not being willing to serve evil. I've quoted Dan Barker many times already here but will do so again as he sums it up: "I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being."
  11. Now why would those who wrote the Bible and had a vested interest in keeping people in the church, include such scare/manipulation tactics in the Bible? The way the new testament in particular came to be is a story of competing interests, arguments and beliefs. It's very far from the inspired, complete and true word of a creator as we are naively brainwashed to believe.
  12. I have a belief that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't rule the world with his noodly appendages. I have a belief that The Grimm doesn't control our every movement and thought and that we don't have any free will. I have a belief that the Purple Piper did not divinely inspire and write the Purple Creed, by which we should abide, or we will end up in a lake of fire. I have endless beliefs in the non existence of any possible entity that could ever be imagined. You need to put more thought and learning into what actually constitutes a belief.
  13. Can I make the argument that Christians do not hold to beliefs per se, they actually hold to emotional wants and desires, which then motivate them to "have faith" or belief in the tenets of Christianity. Their faith or truths are something which they feel are true. Thus when you try to get them to talk about specifics, the answer always comes down to "I have faith" because the primary motivator is emotional. Something always motivates them emotionally- fear of death, fear of hell, influencing or having power over others, community or fear of losing that, hope of eternal life - they are emotionally invested in these. Their primary motivator is not logic or rational thought, and in fact in a good many cases in fundamentalist Christianity, logic and reason are looked at as dangerous areas that can lead down the path to non belief. I think one can only reason successfully with the Christian who is a fence sitter but perhaps doesn't know it yet. In other words those who are willing to look past their emotional investment in it.
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