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  1. Are you serious? Are you not aware that disabled people are being asked to sign do not recussitate orders? Edit: disabled people who Do not currently have COVID19, in the event they contract it. Won't be continuing the topic or the thread. The ignorance is astounding.
  2. I'm not a Dr. I do not have the answers. If my partner ends up in critical care, does he deserve to be overlooked because he uses a scooter instead of his legs to get around and isn't as "normal" as what society has pegged as the "norm/ideal" (fit, healthy, able to work and contribute to the economy - of itself another ableist definition). If there's something that hasn't left me yet from my fundamentalist upbringing it's that all life and all people are of equal value. I do not think of life in capitalist terms.
  3. No, but it's the men who are told what to do with their women in the Bible. Where in the Bible do you see it admonishing women to kill their husbands in such and such scenario etc?
  4. Thank you. I guess when the vulnerable and at risk or disabled end up in an overloaded critical care, where the Drs are forced to triage people based on their "quality of life" or "ability", they should just be thankful they got so far in society, and be willing to die a death without assistance when the ventilators run out, because - that is what ableism is at its core.
  5. This just does not help. I'm tired of hearing that line. Tell that to the people who have asthma, lung, heart and other conditions and who are at risk. Our lives matter! PS sorry but this pandemic has revealed exactly how ableist society is. Exactly what we prioritize. With the news anchors spouting off about how only a portion of the population is dying, with what I can only call a callousness towards that population that is very revealing. And when the shit hits the fan, it's the abled over disabled in the hospitals whose lives are seen to have more value and who are worth trying to save. It's the same with $$$. In Canada those who have worked and earned over $5k the last year are getting $2k per month in emergency measures, while the disabled have been given less all along to somehow survive and live. What is this if not a tacit acknowledgement that a person cannot survive on less than $1k a month? You're out of luck if you're "not disabled enough" to qualify for disability but not able enough to work a lot. As I said, this sure has revealed what kind of society we live in.
  6. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/first-person-misogyny-in-the-bible/ Don't I know it. I grew up in a very "Pauline" church where men were the preachers, teachers, and rule setters about what women could and couldn't do (no birth control, make-up, piercings, movies, TV, dancing...endless list). So a Bible written by men and interpreted by men, doesn't require a lot of thinking to figure out what such a god (read: man) favors.
  7. I know the question isn't for me but what more evidence is required for this than the Bible itself? Is the old testament not enough?
  8. It sounds like you still believe in hell? That's basically what controls xtians. Some reading as mentioned in the above discussion could help that.
  9. Ouch. Don't be so hard on yourself! Btw theres a big connection in growing up brainwashed in xtianity, essentially being told you're a worthless peice of shit and need Jesus for redemption, and the messages and self talk that people give themselves throughout life. Many of us exit xtianity with terrible self confidence and little idea of who we really are. And this negative self talk is definitely influenced by the pattern of negative messaging we have received. One book I'll tout again that goes into this in great detail (and helps you come to terms with this messaging and heal yourself) is Leaving the Fold by Marlene Winell.
  10. Thank you @Margee! I too have this cursed personality and the last two weeks have been so stressful. It managed to exhibit itself in some unpleasant symptoms as well, the stress, and I've realized I really need to limit my exposure to the news. It's all made worse by the fact that I feel like my safety net, or whatever there was of one in my family, or the illusion of it, melted away over the last year as I figured out what people truly think of me and how (un) supportive they are. I found a wonderful person and now my anxiety and stress is focused around his potentially catching COVID19 and how he would fare (he has MS). My mind goes places and catastrophizes and it's no good for me at all. Your Dr has excellent advice and I'd like to say thanks for sharing it. To everyone who is stressed out, here's a visual that might help.
  11. No entity is required to "make" women equal. The very fact that some women need an entity to make them feel equal just proves that yes, we reside in a patriarchal world where such things as religion have still left a patriarchal imprint in the secular world. You're equal when you give yourself respect, pride, love and the self confidence those should result in. No god or godess required for that. Edit: you can believe in gods or goddesses but this is the Lions den on a site where the members are likely predominantly agnostic and athiest, so in this respect you can expect to get pushback by claiming that such gods exist.
  12. Well that was one grand generalization about half the human species. I'm not really a fan of generalizations.
  13. Who says doing "male" things means women are equal. I'll turn this on its head - men are not equal to women because on average they don't do as much housework, or sewing, knitting, crafts, or any other domestic science that's traditionally been the domain of women. This whole "men and women have to do the same things to be equal" argument just makes no sense.
  14. I can recommend any work by Bart Ehrman he has excellent work on the Bible. He has a whole new book coming out on heaven and hell. During my deconversion I also read Godless by Dan Barker (Dan is a former pastor), Dawkins' the god Delusion, Valerie Tarico (trusting doubt). By far the most helpful was Leaving the Fold by Marlene Winell. This is about the psychological process of leaving xtianity, understanding your trauma and abuse, and healing yourself. It was a lifesaver for me in understanding just how toxic xtianity had been for me, and why and how I needed to heal. Marlene also operates an online community for extians with resources on religious trauma syndrome, including a support group. https://journeyfree.org/ When you digest and understand that xtianity was created to control the masses (that's what purpose the invention of hell served - it was a "new testament invention", hell isn't even in the old testament. There was great disagreement in the early church over what should make it into the new testament as it is. When you realize you are venerating and wasting precious mental energy on a ridiculous concept invented by a bunch of power hungry men thousands of years ago to control the masses and get $$ for the church, you get mad as hell and decide to live life instead of cowering in fear. That's what deep brainwashing does, and why Winell's book is so important in particular - so that you can understand your past and recover from it. I understand, I was there. I was an indoctrinated fundamentalist of the wackiest types. But I educated and freed myself mentally and you can too. PS there's several threads on hell in this forum with more info on how the concept came to be created by the early church
  15. If there is that kind of part of you, then you need to delve into Christianity and read about how it came about. That's what I would recommend. Any books by authors such as Bart Ehrman and others who have written about the Bible and Christianity in a more historical perspective, in a more unbiased way. Have you done this? Often people think they have fully devonverted when they have not intellectually dismantled their former belief system and don't really know what they think of it. Or then there's residual fear simply because the brain washing was that effective. Time, and lots of reading, helps that. I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered, for some reason it appears authoritarian abusive parents are too common within these belief systems.
  16. The recommendation, at least in Canada, is that anyone who can work from home do so. Right now they are trying to limit those going to work to essential workers. I'd do better than "probably." Is it worth endangering the lives of other people?
  17. I don't believe in reincarnation. My closest response would be that of @LogicalFallacy, I may die but I will be "reincarnated" in billions of atoms in other matter. I guess you can say, all the beings that ever existed are all around us, just as we will be everywhere. It's the circle of life.
  18. Smart woman, re avoiding marriage. I think a lot of people in my ex church, women as well, would have had a big problem (if I had let them in on this) with the fact that I was willing to marry only if it was a partnership and not a dictatorship or man as "head of the household". The other thing making me run in the opposite direction from any such Union was that birth control is forbidden in that church. I remember sitting through a sermon where it was mentioned that the wife only had a right to say no to sex if it was a pre arranged mutual decision, made only for health purposes (both mental and physical). I was inwardly enraged - that a woman who already has 10 children has no power over the number of children she has, or over her own body. I received a great deal of pity from other women in the church that I "hadn't been able to catch a man" (that's supposed to be your lifes purpose). I have nothing but deep pity for them now.
  19. What kind of spells? How did they work?
  20. Hi. I think you should dig deeper. Why are you scared of being an athiest? It's likely not that at all, it's likely fear of social ostracization and social consequences of the label or something else. Once you figure out what it is you actually fear you can come up with a plan as to how you will handle that. For example with my own family, when I "came out", I avoided the athiest word and used agnostic simply so that I could avoid the worst of their judgement. Edit: I think your cousin has given you really good advice. Reading about the origins of hell and a historical perspective on the Bible helps with the fear that it may be true afterall. Your mind simply needs time to process all the info for your beliefs to "gel".
  21. It's required - politics is involved - they realize they need to equalize the field here with healthcare during the pandemic or the "socialists" will win the next election.
  22. I was a conservative Laestadian Lutheran (there are several different sects of Laestadianism, these ones call themselves Lutherans but they are far from it). Edit: interview with Ed Suominen, whose book was incredibly useful and devonverted me
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