TruthSeeker0

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  1. Imo it's a matter of being open to the option of trying to understand it. It's pretty straightforward but most people get stuck at the very beginning over the idea humans and chimps had a common ancestor and can't get over it. Either that or the scale of time and incremental adaptive selection. Most who disagree say utterly ridiculous trash like "chimps can't turn into humans."
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    Greetings!

    He's here for the holier than thou and preaching. He doesn't want to understand. It's been evident from the "why did you reject god" shit at the beginning. I'm starting to think his insecurities may be driving him, and he's coming here to feel better than other people. Either that or the typical Christian thing, trying to show people the way to christ ad nauseum. Every time you tell him what he's doing he tries turning it around on you, therefore his whole hate spiel.
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    Greetings!

    I think you're definitely on to something.
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    Greetings!

    Just because you say you're not something does not mean you're not. And keep on keeping on with the passive aggressive. This is not about hatred. Every time you post in here you clearly reveal what kind of conception you have about atheists and non believers. You've done very little to try understand the perspective here and ultimately you can't because your preconceptions are just blinding you. Throwing out words like hate is just the lazy route. Attempting to actually understand their perspective is more difficult and you're not willing to even try put in that mental energy, it's all too evident.
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    Greetings!

    Well you said concisely what I thought, I hold back a bit when xtians join here. The passive aggressive shit routine and the "I'm a better person/I take the high road because I wish you blessings" while at the same time, "in your face take this" greeting was evident. Anyone who wants to come here with true respect and equality or even curiosity will refrain from that shit and tell us to peace out etc and that's that, and that's not the case here.
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    The holidays and how my parents visit went.

    What my therapist told me was become the broken record, and every time it pops up again, become that broken record. So essentially what I do if I get any inquiries about religion is I say "the topic is closed, I have made my wishes known, and stated that religion will not be talked about, and that you need to respect my privacy. Next." (another sad side effect of airing your beliefs is having them spread like wildfire throughout your ex church, at least in my case).
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    Bad atheists ruining good atheists' lives

    Totally. I would not want to deconvert someone who is happy and fulfilled in the church and make them miserable outside of it. I would only gently engage them in conversations that go where they want them to go, if they are showing signs of unhappiness or questioning. But if they point to my beliefs and start ridiculing them, playing nice is over and imo they asked for it.
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    The holidays and how my parents visit went.

    That's how I felt about it for the first few months after deconversion. That I didn't want to hurt them. That I was responsible for that if I did that. That I didn't have energy for it. But living a lie became way too much for me, and I was in therapy and started to understand how unhealthy it was for me to continue living a pretense because I was afraid I would lose people, and that I wasn't responsible for their reactions. I said the hell with this, if they can't love me for who I am, they're not real people and not worth having in my life, even family and my parents. So when I sent them my letter I was very clear that we had major differences and why it was pointless discussing those, that I would refuse discussion if they tried, and that they could not abuse me with the "you're going to hell" spiel. I told them I was an adult who made my own choices and that they needed to respect that. I set the boundaries very clearly and they have abided by them. But my parents are not the confrontational type. They were hesitant to bring up the topic because I had been so clear. I know I hurt them deeply but ultimately with any discussion their concern would be for my "undying soul" and since I don't believe that shit it's just pointless. I also deleted my social media. I rejoined fb and only have friends from ex-c and other non believers. I honestly don't care what my family thinks about that. I am so done with living for others. I live for and please myself. I come first now. I've posted my letter if you're interested.
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    Bad atheists ruining good atheists' lives

    Well they're just making generalizations. It's not beliefs that make character, although sometimes beliefs can result in atrocious behaviour and even good people can do nasty things for awhile when they're indoctrinated enough. But what they've done is fall for the stereotypes and lies perpetuated by the 'faithful'. Tell them that. There are shitty atheists and shitty Christians (and people of any other belief), and wonderful atheists and wonderful people of any other belief.
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    The holidays and how my parents visit went.

    This is just way beyond appropriate, in particular if they are aware of your beliefs and are doing it regardless. It's the whole "this behaviour is OK because Jebus, only Jebus and 'spreading the good news' matters." At this point in time they need to be told it's not OK for them to violate boundaries just because they happen to believe in Jebus. That's basically what I told my parents and I'm glad I did.
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    Given your options

    More humans judging other humans. It's amazing how some humans always know what their supposed god is thinking and what he needs to teach other humans hey! Edit: And they talk of having ego. LOL
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    Greetings!

    Seriously. stop playing the "I'm decent/sincere, you're not" game. It's ridiculous and a common one with you Christians. That's a completely valid question. You're acting like a child because the debate isn't staying within the "rules" you want to subscribe to it.
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    Given your options

    This is so fucking ridiculous (and triggering) for people who fight with chronic pain or any other illness, or disease, and have to hear the same old shit again, that god does ordain sickness, and he's trying to teach, or guide you, or inspire you, or get you to repent, or show you your pride, or humble yourself, and the list goes on. Only one thing I have left to say to such a toxic message and the people who carry it: fuck off with your god is love speeches.
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    Given your options

    Kudos to you, that's hard to stick to if it makes you uncomfortable and particularly if you feel like you have a lot invested in your beliefs/community. Some people have said to me, wow, you deconverted so fast, but the truth of the matter is that I had nothing to invest anymore in Christianity or my church, it was giving me nothing but grief, and I had every motivation to get out, socially as well because I couldn't stand my community anymore. So I can understand why it's mixed baggage for a lot of people when they are out and they miss aspects of it, but me, I'm still doing hallelujahs (in an atheist sense of course lol).
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    Given your options

    Tbh I wasn't surprised that he folded. People who come in here with a high confidence in their beliefs and a smugness sort of reveal that they don't actually have a questioning or open mind, and I think most of them are completely unprepared for what they're about to get....after his intro I actually started to feel a bit of pity for him because I thought if he headed to the Lion's Den he likely didn't have much preparation at all. If you're questioning or open minded usually you show a bit more humility and you don't include presuppositions in your statements that already reveal your position.
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    CAN WE RESTORE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY?

    I agree with this entirely. There are a lot of emotionally isolated people, and that leads to unhealthy patterns and behaviours. I don't know what the solution is either. It does include getting out of your technologically 'connected' bubble though and connecting with people in real life as well. Technology is amazing though, just witness what it's done for many of us here who left religion when the internet educated us, and now we have this online community to connect in. For me, leaving fundamentalism and the only social group I had, this group has made all the difference while I'm still getting my feet wet and properly joining the real world out there. No, I dont think it's a coincidence at all. They're thriving on these divisions. Perhaps all the people who stick to the ToT to do nothing else but bash other groups of people might be interested in the fact that they've been had. Personally I think it's greed and narcissism that's at the root of it.
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    Given your options

    Wait wha? I missed out on most of this fun (I was too busy socializing with fundie family lol) but what ministry in particular are we called to, dissection of this thread, if I understand correctly? I have to read thread this over properly tomorrow but it appears CF entered the conversation not heeding my advice to him in his intro thread, which was that he treat us as equals ie no holier than thou, and be open to the possibility his god does not exist. But he couldn't even start from that basis, instead he asked us why we've rejected his god, therefore much of the conversation was useless.
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    The holidays and how my parents visit went.

    And all that is totally normal. Give yourself time and be kind to yourself. You are allowed to have all of those.
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    The holidays and how my parents visit went.

    Parents can love their children but remain brainwashed and fearful. That's where all their anxiety and stress that their children are going to hell is rooted. It was difficult enough for me to break free, and I grew up with a very different exposure, education and view of the world than they did. Hence my pity for trapped people. My parents are also elderly and so I have no wish to take away from them what they see as their reward in the afterlife. I don't see it as a simple choice for them, it's complicated. It was easier for me to let go of bitterness and anger about my upbringing and the current state of affairs when I thought it through properly. But I also understand it's different for everyone, we've all had different life circumstances etc. Edit: imo the most important thing post Christianity is to establish proper boundaries, and I think you're doing a great job with this.
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    Greetings!

    Welcome. But I will be direct with you: you are yet another Christian coming here with the notion that those in this forum somehow havnt accepted, or studied, or aren't knowledgeable enough about the truth about Christianity. The message also comes across in a patronizing manner. I invite you to the Lions Den where you can do your best with us. I do propose that if you do so, drop that patronizing view first and attempt the conversation as an equal. Also, don't even attempt it if you aren't open to serious consideration of your Bible. If you're going to throw us Bible quotes and operate on the basis that the bible is the truth, your simply wasting your time. Also don't attempt it if you're not open to the possibility and debate that your god does not exist. -TS
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    Maybe Atheist

    Really good point, another thing I'm going to adopt when I get the typical horrified response I will if I tell the fam I don't believe in the christian god.
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    CAN WE RESTORE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY?

    I agree with you that the sense of community isn't the same. Maybe it's globalization. However I think the sense of being in a global community has increased as a side effect of globalization and technology. We are much more connected over distance, which would have been impossible without technology, but that technology also allows us to sit at home and nuture our virtual connections instead of going out into our community. I've thought quite a bit about this and become resolved that I'm personally going to change this side of my life and get more involved. I joined the centre for inquiry, not sure if it's international but it's national in Canada, and plan to attend more of their events. I think we can speak of communities instead of community now. And I feel quite neutral over whether that's a bad thing, I don't think it necessarily is. The bad thing is that people are focusing on their differences (go witness the bashing that occurs in ToT) instead of what they have in common.
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    Ex Christian Spirituality: The rough treatment

    I'd like to meet someone who meditatively folds laundry and feels good about it. -signed, the queen of laundry procrastination
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    Maybe Atheist

    Welcome! I do so hear you on how difficult it can be to overcome the past. I've come to accept my past will always have an impact on me, but I've tried to actively be aware of the negatives and do my best to improve on them. I've had a lot of progress in some areas (irrational fears) but it's very slow progress in others (core identity, recovering from the "you are a bad/sinful/ rotton person" messaging). Glad to have you with us.
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    Ex Christian Spirituality: The rough treatment

    I think some people just do not live a lot in an emotional landscape per se and could even have this distrust of it. The ones that do, focus more on doing stuff that makes them feel good.