VerbosityCat

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    Out of Christianity for 20 years. I like a little woo in my life but I have limits (Christianity would be but one example.) Not a fan of organized religion. Would describe myself as "spiritual but not religious" with a spirituality pointing in the direction of the Norse gods/myths. Open-minded to things like NDEs but not a "true believer" about it. I speculatively entertain many ideas but fully embrace only a few.

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    the old gods (Thor, Odin, Freyja, Tyr mainly)

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  1. Yes, there are more megachurches (compared to the almost total lack of them decades before) but, and i THINK that article I linked may have mentioned this, if not, I one of the links I think did, but they talked about (If I'm not mixing it up with another article) how megachurches are growing in attendance but pretty much all the other churches are dying off and closing down. So basically you have the equivalent of mergers going on here. But... in all that shuffling around, there are a lot of people leaving church altogether and joining "nones", REligiously unaffiliated is the fastest growing group. "Nones" are now up to 22.8% as of the last Pew poll. Meanwhile church attendance is on serious decline. The megachurches themselves are basically entertainment and distraction. There is nothing of any real "depth" and it's a "feel good message" in most of these churches. They just want butts in pews and to collect money. So the way this translates is... many of the people in these megachurches don't actually take christianity very seriously. That may not be clearly apparent now, but I've noticed here in my own town that each generation gets more liberal with their Christianity. Even the fundies are slowly altering their message because the original "join our club or burn, stupid" message is increasingly alienating people. Ultimately churches are businesses even though they aren't taxed as such. So they have to do what makes them money and lets them survive. They are going for the quick buck at the expense of future profit. Because I can guarantee you most of these young parents in these megachurches are just not indoctrinating their children with the same stuff I was indoctrinated with. They likely don't take it that seriously in reality and their kids will take it even less seriously.
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    Buddhists Too? Of Course!

    This is why people shouldn't have organized religion or organized nonreligion. Whenever bitches organize around beliefs or lack thereof... badness ensues.
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    Deadpool 2

    Oh yeah just watched the preview and I remembered why I can't bring myself to watch this. The whole Hel storyline... it's SO extremely counter to the mythology. And I GET that this is not "the norse myths'. This is something Stan Lee (i think? right?) came up with. Still, Hel isn't an evil goddess. I quite like her in the mythology and hate the idea of a movie turning her into a villain.
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    Deadpool 2

    Oh good point. Yeah, I forgot about that. I just rewatched Deadpool (the first one) the other day and yeah...that was...wow. LOL. I would switch teams for her.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Fucking thank you! I'm so tired of the complete callous indifference and looking the other way and whistling and just totally ignoring any pain or suffering this dumbass religion has caused people. I can appreciate if he follows some super liberal hippie version of Christianity, that's great, but he has to know he's coloring outside the lines. He has the cover of "being a Christian" when he's around fundies to shield him from the bullshit those of us who have left have to deal with, all the while he can just do his own fingerpainting version of his religion. That's great and all, but it's total bullshit to pretend like this has ANYTHING at all to do with ANYTHING anybody here is talking about.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Episcopalians often do have a lot of money, yes, but my experience with them at least the ones in my area is that they make a real effort to welcome those of all socio-economic backgrounds. For whatever reason more people with money have been drawn to this denomination than most. Me and my brother don't have to be careful talking about religion. I can talk openly with him and him with me. He's not one of the fundies in my family. Also, I'm going to end this conversation with you. You constantly "have to run". I'm on an EXTREMELY abbreviated Internet time, which means basically I have to get in and get out and I still have the courtesy and take the time to reply to people who are in conversations with me and address the things they are saying. you do not. You just gloss over everything with no intention of engaging in an honest or in depth discussion. So, I'm done with this. You're not interested in a conversation and you ignore 90% of what I say. It's too frustrating to talk to someone like that. Also, I agree with truthseeker that I don't really buy your 'awww shucks why are you people so angry' schtick.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    and now I'm going to log out for the night because I've been online way too long. The blocker I have has an upgrade feature where you get to set break times. This way I can set it where I just get an hour of internet time. I HATE wasting hours of my life at a time on the internet. Like i've been online for 2 and a half hours now and ugh. also it's way too late to be on the computer but meh.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Yeah I get that. I can be quite the jackass also. And pretty mean. I don't like that side of myself except in the moment. But when I say I hate Christianity, I'm talking about a monolith and I'm also speaking in generalities. I'm talking about certain things both past and present. And if you aren't a part of that you aren't what I'm talking about. The problem is... what I'm talking about is a very specific thing. I have a very specific definition of Christianity that I'm reacting to/against. You don't really ping my "Christian radar". I don't see you as "part of that thing I'm hating on", no more than I see my brother as part of it. And look, I LOVE my mother. But she is batshit crazy and she is part of the fundie problem. But I still love her. Even though i HATE her belief system. Because I DON'T think beliefs are the sum total of who a person is.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    I think that's a pretty broad assumption. While I would like it if my family (as in the people immediately blood related to me) had a sense of the old gods/ancestral customs and appreciation for it because it would create greater social familial cohesion, in general I don't actually think "my truth" is best for others. It's only best for me. The problem comes in when people will not let me be. And the issue is not so much that they think I would be happier with their faith. It's that they think I will be eternally tortured if I don't follow it. So they are acting not from joy that they have some super awesome great truth but out of fear. In fact, I have a hard time believing my family even REALLY likes their religion or their god. I think they are scared of him. And scared to displease him. And scared to fuck up or think or believe the wrong thing and go to hell. But they will NEVER openly admit this. They don't LIKE biblegod. They might like Jesus, but they don't like their god. If they believed they could walk away tomorrow without going to full on atheism (because that I think also holds them in), and NOT go to hell, I think most of them would. Though they would NEVER admit it, even to themselves because they know that offer is not on the table. And yet I walked out. Yes, it's hard. But I did it. And if I can climb over that wall it's just hard for me to understand why they can't. If they were truly happy with their religion and were not following it out of fear and were not trying to convert me, that would be a whole other thing. And yes, the fundies DO have ill will toward my beliefs because they think my beliefs are "the devil tricking me". Have you looked into the episcopalian church? They seem to have split off into a fundie faction and a super liberal faction but the latter is VERY nice. They also have a lot of beautiful churches, and if you are into the ritual aspect, some of them basically do the "high mass" like the catholics but without all the crazy. You might like it. You might definitely feel more at home among those people. I'm always sending Christians who can't find a church not full of hypocrites to the episcopalians lol. Yeah sometimes I am a 9 on anger. I don't really want to be like that. I don't want to stay angry. A lot of my anger is more a "flare up" like I'm not constantly at this REEEEE level. This is largely due to going through a rough time and having my mom try to suck me back in again a few weeks ago. But I don't constantly live in this space. Most of the time it's just frustrating as hell. I know this sounds like a lot of woo but I really don't feel like I'm in the right time. Like I feel like I was born into the wrong time, or if reincarnation is a thing (which is definitely an idea i am more open to than most), then maybe the last time I was here was much farther up the timeline because I can't even explain to you how fucking FOREIGN Christianity felt to me, even as a kid. When I found MY stories/myths, I finally felt like... these are mine. I get this. I get these people. I wish these people were still here and that we still had what they had. I hate that it was ripped away and now what's left is this... foreign THING.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Also, you seem to have trouble with the idea that I can like/respect a person but have nothing but contempt for the overall religion they practice. If Christians can "hate the sin but love the sinner" why is it so difficult to understand I can like the Christian but want to cunt punt the Christianity? Again, doesn't mean I'm going to lump you in with the worst of Christians/Christianity. While I don't see the appeal in even the nicest version of this religion I feel very differently toward NICE people who hold moderate non-insane, non-fundie Christian views. My brother is very much like you in his views. I love my brother. We can have mutually respectful spiritual discussions. But I mean, I don't really know why it's so hard to understand my hatred for Christianity. Or that it is a "general purpose hatred" aimed at specific things both past and present and if you are not doing those things, you are not part of the problem. I don't see you personally as part of the problem, but if Christianity as a faith system died tomorrow, I would dance on its grave.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    Well I assumed that was what we were doing, having an interfaith dialogue where we would each come to understand what the other person believed and why without the need to try to convert the other since I have no interest in converting people and you should assume straight out of the gate that such an attempt on your part would be a waste of time. If dialogue is only meaningful to you if it can potentially result in conversion, yeah. Re: why am I so "uptight". 1. I believe I already said christianity gave me panic attacks. i'm not being flip. It was a psychological terror shitshow for me until I was able to fully escape it. 2. Even being fully out of it, I still have family who are hardcore fundie and always trying to drag me back in... see point one. It's fucking exhausting being 20 years out of this shit and STILL having family members use ANY sign of weakness in me as an excuse to try to drag me back into their nightmare clown world. 3. I just fucking hate this religion. If not for this religion I wouldn't feel so alone in my spiritual path. (had christianity not come along, most people would still be praying to their ancestral gods, and if they didn't believe in them, they would still be keeping cultural traditions without layering an irrelevant religion on top of it.) I don't like organized religion but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it if my family also preferred the old gods to the desert dipshit deity. There is a rift and division in my family that can never be healed because they are FUNDIES. 4. I'm irritated by all the social progress Christianity has retarded. All the scientific progress Christianity has retarded. All the ancient knowledge humanity had that was destroyed... one example: The burning of the library of Alexandria. I mean I'm sorry I know this is all WAY in the past but I fucking HATE that Christianity was this total psycho religion just cutting a swath of terror through Europe and everywhere else it has landed (and spoiler alert, we're about to go through this shit again with Islam)... though Europe got the worst of it, and I'm supposed to be like "Oh hey great, Christianity is awesome." I mean what the fuck am I missing here? If some dude raped his kids, am I supposed to share a table with him for a meal just because he went to therapy and reformed? While I won't hold every individual responsible for shit they didn't do (which is why, knowing more of your views I don't feel compelled to hate on you.) I utterly revile Christianity. May it be torn apart and destroyed just like it destroyed every other ideology it came in contact with. I'm 40. I'm sorry if you feel this is a reaction only appropriate for a teenager. Being a member of the dominant religion, however freely you color outside the lines, affords you a luxury the rest of us don't have when it comes to just fluffing off the many crimes of the faith. Not really sure why you can so flippantly brush off all the damage Christianity has done in this world both in the past and even in the present. Not sure why all the millions of children who have been brainwashed and terrorized with fears of hell and the rapture is something you "don't get" the ire over. Like seriously WTF? This right here is my problem with Christianity. And this is part of why it's pretty difficult for me to just hold hands and sing with the "nice christians" because there seems to be no real awareness of just what a shitfactory your religion has been. And I'm not saying you should feel personally responsible for any of it. It's not your fault. But you could at least have the good grace to understand why everybody in the world isn't super excited about Christianity's continued existence. Christianity only gets nicer the less power it has to control and hurt people. So that's not a good sign for me. And you'll note I DID say "you do you, whatever". I mean I might as well have used those words. But just because I'm giving YOU a pass doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to be like yippy skippy christianity! whee! Fuck Christianity.
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    Buddhists Too? Of Course!

    Yep. Organized religion... bad. I'm really not sure what it is about people when they start organizing around their theoretical beliefs about the greater questions of reality. You would think such a focus of intention would bring out people's better sides but it is usually the opposite. Also, this kind of thing has been happening within Buddhism for a while. I'm sure though it's not just Buddhism and Christianity. It's all organized religion. There is something about the structure that attracts a certain type of power hungry individual and the types of people drawn to power in these structures tend to have questionable morals. It's almost always lots of decent sincere people at the bottom believing and following the power-hungry person who behind the scenes is taking all their money and diddling their children. Buddhism also has a quite violent history we don't hear much about in the west. Western Buddhism is this whole other animal. SO different where it actually originated. I mean I don't have a big issue with Buddhism in general. It's probably one of the less evil religions, but it's not this atheistic super loving thing that everyone in the west thinks it is. For one thing a LOT of buddhists believe in the Buddha as a god/supernatural being. They believe in a fuckton of other supernatural beings (so it's every bit as much a supernatural belief system as Christianity.) There are the religious wars they've had,and of course this kind of issue you mention.
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    Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

    Is it wrong that I'm hoping you're wrong? It would just be more entertaining all the way around.
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    Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

    Or just calculated brainwashing at a young impressionable age before the mind is developed enough to ask questions, doubt, or resist.
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    Should We Expect a Higher Consciousness

    And yes, writing long papers was never a problem for me.