Miriam

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    Not here to argue, but I am an evangelical Anglican. I just want to see what you're saying - I may post, but never to insult etc. Just to state my beliefs.

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  1. "Recent" Margee - read what I said. I won't repeat myself, so if you want to know my answer please look where I responded to RedNeck in the Christianity Debunked forum.
  2. OK Redneck, for your edification, this is what I have learned. You are dogmatic in your rejection of dogma, and incredibly strong minded in your view it is wrong to hold strong minded views. You point the finger at Christians for claiming there is absolute truth, but you must know absolute truth or you wouldn't be able to say categorically that we're wrong. You say biblical morals are evil, and we should use human morals - there are no morals without believing in a higher order, or morals are whatever you think is moral and you can't argue with someone else. If someone says, "Humans are just animals, and animals kill to obtain what they want, therefore I am going to kill my neighbour and steal his car, because mine broke down." You can't say that's wrong, because murder, theft, and selfishly wanting something that belongs to someone else are biblical morals. What's worse, you want to blame Christianity for all the problems in society so you don't have to take any responsibility. As you say, you have made my point better than I ever could. You sneer at Christians who come here and leave, - of course they do, it's the wise thing to do in the face of obvious prejudice. And you claim to be objective. That is what I have learned. It isn't what I wanted to, though. Now, I have been treated on occasion with respect and kindness here, so it's not that you're all horrible people, you just, as you say, "live in a bubble" Miriam. Go ahead and respond, and if I say nothing you can congratulate yourselves on being right. Or you could look again at your rigid beliefs. At least I know what I claim.
  3. Quote from Margee: I already know what you would say about my letter. I already know what you believe because I believed it also. I can go through all the posts to me since I've been here and find more.
  4. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism For fascism to work, there must be a complete absence of God. Atheism. Back to Insightful If I said to you, I will believe in evolution utterly and that intelligent design is false, if you can put a single celled organism on the table in front of me and have it evolve into a primate in 2 hours. You'd probably say, that's ridiculous, evolution takes millions and millions of years. Then I could say, No. I won't accept that because it is based on a theory and not proven fact, if you can't do what I just demanded then it is not true. You say the bible contradicts itself, so you go with science. Science is constantly contradicting itself - what was held as fact 400 years ago is now a lot of it obsolete, and in another 400 years the truths you hold to now may be proved false - where is your evidence? I am happy to admit my beliefs are that - beliefs, which I have based on evidence. How can you claim that yours is absolute fact when there is in fact no certainty to that either? And if you do not hold absolute truth, you can't definitively claim I MUST be wrong.
  5. RedNeck, 99% of what I've said here has been in response to you guys. When I said I don't know, this was just proof that my entire understanding is rubbish. If you don't want to hear what I think, just stop talking to me. I didn't say I know exactly what you think and believe - actually, that's what you've been telling me. If you don't want to hear what I have to say, just stop talking to me.
  6. One more thing - if you think Christianity is the biggest social evil, what about Marxism and Fascism? These are based on atheist principles, and have caused the biggest massacres in recent history.
  7. Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient and bearing with each other in love Yes, God obviously wants me to commit terrorist acts and kill as many people as I can.
  8. Insightful - sorry, I realised I'd gotten this confused with the passages in Deuteronomy - sorry! Here is my full answer (it's a bit long - sorry!) Could you try to answer it without sarcasm? (Not you Insightful, I think you are being very respectful ) This calls into question the nature of God. Is God a nasty, murdering tyrant? I think one thing is, you want a God of love, without being a God of wrath. That makes no sense, you can’t have one without the other. Example: if you love children, you must feel wrath against child abusers. And, if God is a perfect being, then to not feel wrath against evil would be wrong. So, God, as a God of love, must love us, his creation, but at the same time be angry at the wrong we do. We won’t go into Jesus right now, let’s stick with the Old Testament, although separating the two is quite wrong so I’ll finish with that. Look at Isaiah 47:11 “Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A a calamity will fall on you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you.” And Numbers 14:18 “The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.” Unfair! We didn’t do it, they did, you have no mercy. God showed his mercy in giving a lot of time for people to change how they behaved. Sodom and Gomorrah, in Genesis 18:26-33. That’s a long one, you can look it up. For the sake of 10 righteous people, God would not destroy Sodom. He is a God of justice, and of patience. Yes, he judges, he must, or he is not a God of righteousness. Ezekiel 33:20 “Yet, O house of Israel, you say ‘the way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his own ways.” And Jeremiah 30:11a “I will discipline you, but only with justice” You can’t leave out the New Testament in a study of God’s nature and his judgement. Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: whilst we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Now, the question being, is God evil and wrong to kill a child? After telling me how arrogant it is for me to assume to know the will of God, now you are deciding you are the perfect judges, who can see into men’s hearts, and know all. Your belief, which is based on solid fact, actually requires a lot of assumptions about your own infallible wisdom. I read on this forum that God is a narcissist for saying we should trust in Him and not lean on our own understanding, and other such verses. If God was a human, yes, that would be beyond narcissistic! You want to make God into a human. It’s human nature to do that. If you now turn and say I can’t use the bible in any way, that is a little ridiculous since all known about God is in the bible, you wouldn’t be accusing God of being evil if you hadn’t read it, if I demand you don’t use the bible then you can’t say anything either. I believe based on faith as well as evidence – so do you. I haven't read the other replies yet - I'll do that now. Miriam
  9. You just said you aren't interested in debate, just telling me how I'm wrong. I didn't come here to convince anyone of anything - I've already said that, it seems though that you are intent on me agreeing with everything you say.
  10. Hooray! Thanks, Insightful! 1 - yes. 2. yes. I have already said why in other posts, somehow I don't think it's worth repeating. 3. No, I don't have children, I'm not married, and I'm asexual anyway, so not going to happen. I would be devastated. That's normal. If I was an Amelekite - blimey, no, because I wouldn't believe in God anyway. I know, that's not your point. It's a more complicated question than you think. The Jews were God's chosen people, a promise made to Abraham. God had promised them the land the Amelikites had taken, by force. God keeps his promises. The Amelekites wouldn't have just stepped aside and let the Jews take the land, so the men would have to be killed or they would just kill the Jews. What about the women and the nursing baby? Jewish law says they women would have to be cast out, they'd die anyway. But why not let the baby live? Back in those days, war was a vital part of civilisation, people, including the Amelikites, just took it that they must kill to have land. If there were any left, they would re attack. It's brutal, but that's humans. "Because your hearts are hard". Now you can disagree with everything I just said
  11. TS - it wouldn't matter if I was open to other possibilities, you are not open to the possibility the bible is inerrant, both parties have to be willing to see the others point of view. I've seen yours - you don't want to see mine, because you've seen it all, right? Like I said, what wisdom could I impart to you, if that's how you think? My argument has not been just that God simply exists and that's that - you haven't been listening, because you already know all I know, even though you don't know me. It's not serious discussion, it's you telling me exactly how I'm wrong, and not wanting to listen to any reason I might be right.
  12. If you want to know why I think you won't listen, what midniterider just posted is a good example.
  13. Let's agree then, that neither of us knows everything. "On which you base your belief." TS, I'd love to discuss things with you. But from what I've read here, you wouldn't listen, because if I have an answer you don't like, I just believe in rubbish. "On which you base your belief." Maybe, if you'll let me, I can post my own testimony. It's quite different to all yours. But that's up to you.
  14. TS - Yes, you are all former Christians. I have read what you believed. I have been reading what you have been saying to me - all of it, carefully. But you have only asked me the questions you have asked a million times before. You don't know everything I think, you just think you do, and as you read that, now you think I am saying what you have heard before, all of it the same. It's not that you were being condescending, don't worry