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  1. Do you know how Christians are always saying we have no moral compass without belief in god? I was just thinking. Perhaps many of them stay in their religion because they are afraid they won’t know how to live without their imaginary friend, made up rules, and the whole charade. They have been told for so long how to live and what to say and do and even think that the idea of doing all of these things without any direction terrifies them. Honestly there’s a problem when the only thing keeping you from murdering someone or raping someone or molesting a child or abusing another person in any way is an ancient book which lays out contradictions left and right regarding these moral concepts. How would one even begin to gain their morality from an immoral book? Hell even if it’s simply laws set forth by a legal system that keep you from hurting or killing other people then there’s an issue. Would we we know what was right and wrong if we were not told so? I’m pretty certain we would. Ultimately we all come to this understanding differently anyhow. I don’t think any of us have the exact same morals either. You could participate in the same religion, worship the same god, and go to the same church but you could hold entirely different beliefs about what is right and wrong. Or you may hold the same belief about right and wrong on a certain subject but simply decide not to adhere to your belief sometimes. You know something isn’t right but you do it anyhow. We all have done that at some point in our lives. People don’t have to attend a church or have a belief in god to know what the fuck is going on. Societal norms, the people we are around, acceptable behavior, we all learn it. Beyond making informed decisions about our behavior based on our observations of the world around us it is important to understand that morality is rather subjective. If anything we should thank our wonderful beautiful abilitiy to REASON for any sort of morality we possess. I’m just going to say it, I’m pretty sure it’s an evolution thing. Think about it. When our brains grew larger so did our cognitive abilities and also through evolution we gained the ability to speak. Without speech, cognition, reason and ultimately the process of evolution - this whole list of rights and wrongs wouldn’t have came about. We would still be primitive beings. So I thank evolution for it. God doesn’t get credit for morals. I may have put this in the wrong section of the website, not sure. If it needs to be moved please do so.
  2. Here in case you don’t look it up - Seriously Christians should just drop the abortion issue already. God is directing that a woman who cheats on her husband should be made to abort her child (against her will). This is NOT okay. This is far worse than abortion as we know it today. I believe it’s a personal decision. It is definitely not something a person should be forced to do!!!! Numbers 5:11- And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord: 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: 20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. 23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar: 26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. 29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; 30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.
  3. Yeah I’m not so sure that Ham is honest or sincere. For some reason he makes me nauseous.
  4. Bill Nye is not an idiot as thIis video you linked to states. Maybe read Numbers 5 in the “good book” and check out that abortion scene sanctioned and outlined by god. You are a christian aren’t you?
  5. I live in VA. I’m going to our closest natural history museum, it’s in Martinsville. I don’t know if it’s very large but it’s Smithsonian related so I hope it’s good.
  6. Ken Ham gets his ass handed to him. I try to refrain from violence and straight insults however there were parts of this that had me wanting to slap the shit out of Ken Ham or at least shake him really hard. I was totally screaming you damn idiot the whole time lol. Bill Nye is just too cool. He’s so collected and so much more patient and poised than I could have ever been while dealing with this moron. Want to know something totally disgusting? They sell shirts at the Ark which say, Taking the Rainbow Back! Implying they are taking it back from gay people. How do I know this? My Mom bought one on the trip she took there with her church!
  7. I am wondering what natural selection shall provide us . . .
  8. A quick note before I begin this: All of what I write may not apply to everyone. I apologize ahead of time if it seems I am lumping all people of faith into one category. I apologize if this seems like or turns out to be an us against you all type of post. I apologize if I offend anyone with the anger that might be present, my choice of words, or any sarcasm. If certain bits don’t apply to you, great. I don’t need to know about it because I realize there are some religious people out there who aren’t zealots. I, personally can tolerate that brand of it all a whole lot better. All of these are likely scenarios so you have been forewarned. By the way, I’m really kind of not sorry if this offends you. I just can’t keep these feelings to myself any longer. Everyone has an opinion and these are simply mine. Dear Whomever this May Apply To, There are those among you who condemn people who do not believe in your god to an eternity in hell. Not only do you condemn people to hell for their unbelief, there are some who go as far to condemn even fellow believers to hell based on how they live and certain beliefs they hold. If they don’t follow your brand of religion then they are doomed. I was one of those fellow believers. I hope it is all worth it to you because honestly you’re ruining friendships, tearing families apart, polluting children’s minds. Your fantasyland, your idea of heaven, your belief in god, your misplaced trust, your blind faith, your condemnation of others not like you is NOT worth it. Nothing is worth the pain you cause others when alienate them, forsake them, ridicule them, give them ultimatums, scare them with the threat of your hell, entice them with the promise of seeing loved ones who have since passed, damn them to an eternity in your hell. I think that it’s time the tables get turned. I think it’s past time many people woke up and faced reality. It’s time that people got a clue and faced the facts. Look at the sheer amount of evidence in front of your face. Open your eyes! Listen! Read an actual book, one not based on ancient myths. Believe actual truth, facts, evidence. I beg you to stop living your life believing something that requires blind faith. I rarely believe anything simply based on the word of another person, let alone based on what an ancient book says written by literally UNKNOWN authors. The Goat Herder’s Guide to the Galaxy, no thank you. I really think that there’s not a person out there who hasn’t had doubts regarding their religion. Some aspect of it has made everyone doubt at some point. I think if people say otherwise that it’s likely they’re lying which supposedly is a sin. I had so many doubts and I could no longer lie to myself anymore. I couldn’t continue to pretend. The games of make believe were over for me. Don’t you ever get tired of fooling yourself? Don’t you wish you could just live your life? Don’t you want a life where you are responsible for your own actions? A life where you can take credit for the good things that happen or give credit where it is actually due? A life where you can own up to your own mistakes, shortcomings and failures instead of blaming them on the forces of evil which supposedly are working against you? Don’t you want to grow up? I can understand to an extent a child choosing to shut their eyes and mind to the reality around them because sometimes the world can be a scary place but to continue doing that into adulthood? Also what adult indoctrinates a child? Neither idea seems comforting to me - the idea of living forever in eternity worshipping god if you’re good enough, if you’ve believed, if you’ve lived right or going to hell where you will be tormented for eternity or separated somewhere from that god in some sort of eternal punishment, whichever you believe. Like I said none of those options seem optimal to me. Why can’t we just be honest with children? We are born, we live, and we die. Why do so many people of faith want to deny science? Why do they not want children to learn about evolution? I know why. They don’t want them to have this knowledge. Knowledge is power. I can see how evolution may seem unbelievable but really which is harder to understand - a fossil record we know exists, the human genome which has been mapped and shows we are IN FACT genetically related to all life on earth meaning humans were NOT created separately from other living things OR that we were magically created from an all knowing god who created evil (yes it says that in the bible Isa. 45:7) and in turn is going to punish us for the effects of this evil eternally unless we accept him and not only accept him but live our lives as some Christians claim without “sin”. Good luck with that. I feel so sorry for children who are raised not knowing the truth about this world. Not only that but I feel sorry for children who aren’t at least given the choice as to what THEY would like to believe. See that is what pisses me off. I wasn’t given a choice in what I wanted to think, feel, or believe. I was limited as to what I was allowed to learn! I was made to feel shame about my questions, I was told I was offensive to god because of my doubt. I was even physically abused, slapped when I asked about dinosaurs and why they weren’t mentioned in the bible. So many children suffer silently through this with no voice and no hope for redemption from this hell. They wait until they are older, they keep their thoughts to themselves, they remain silent - on the inside they are screaming and they are angry. If you believe in a god and you want your child to have a relationship with that god then forcing your god on them is NOT the way. That is child abuse. Scaring children with the concept of hell, dragging them to church every spare moment day and night, brainwashing them. Keep this shit out of the public schools. If you want to indoctrinate your children do it at home or put your kids in private Christian schools. There are many reasons for separation of church and state and this is just one. I want my children to have an actual education. I want them to be taught based on facts and evidence. You say evolution is simply a theory. It is a PROVEN evidence based theory. There are other proven theories out there, gravity, special relativity, quantum theory, plate tectonics, heliocentrism, general relativity - all proven. I don’t understand why people would want their children to be uneducated. If you want to teach your children creationism and you want to exclude evolution then do so at home or put your child in Christian school. Public schools are NOT the place for that because then every other religions version of creation events would also have to be taught!! Why do people not see the fucking absurdity in this???? It angers me so much. I also do not get why so many Christians want to incessantly preach to others or try to make aspects of their faith law like banning gay marriage and such. America is NOT a Christian nation, we are a melting pot of diversity and our founding fathers weren’t even considered Christians. In fact, several of them spoke out publicly against faith. Truly no one wants you preaching to them. How other people live is none of your fucking business or concern. Contain the condemnation to yourself and sadly to your own family. It should NOT seep out into our communities and pollute others hearts and minds. It should NEVER be allowed into our laws. There are are many reasons I left Christianity. Something that always got me was this, in Matthew 10:34-38 it outlines the requirement for loving god more than yourself or your own family. I am sorry but um, no. My children are my life and I’m sorry but anyone who puts the god of their mind before their kids is in my opinion insane. For all those Christians against abortion, guess what? Straight in the bible in Numbers 5 it outlines just that, an abortion sanctioned and authorized by god. Maybe start actually reading this book you carry around and say you fully believe in. Believe rapists should be punished? According to the bible if you rape a woman you have to marry her and pay her father. Other than that you’re good to go. That’s fucking bullshit. Slavery wasn’t so cool, was it? Well the bible not only doesn’t speak against it, it outlines how to beat your slaves and tells you how much each is worth in shekels; females of course are worth less. I suppose you are also okay with child abuse? Spare the rod, spoil the child. What about if a child is disobedient? You can just stone it to death. How about when god told the Hebrews that he was going to make them eat their children???!!! There are literally people eating their fucking kids in the bible. That’s absolutely horrific. Simply because of what? They were disobedient to god. Such a just, loving, merciful god. My ass. This is not an outline for morality. If you followed the bible entirely, well even partly you would be imprisoned or sentenced to death most anywhere in the civilized world. I don’t want to hear it’s just the Old Testament either because that’s a lie. This insanity permeates the entire story. Not only that but supposedly god does not change, the god of the Old Testament is still the same and is still the one gave the okay for all of what I mentioned. It begs to question? What sort of god are you really worshipping? Even in the New Testament Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but instead a sword, tearing families apart, setting people against one another, again this is Matthew 10:34-38. This is not my idea of love or goodness. I don’t know what your idea of it is but apparently we don’t share the same view. Back to the topic of doubts. I’m pretty certain we all have them about many topics. I believe those who don’t lie. I also speculate that many Christians and people of other faiths are just lying to themselves about their certainty in what they believe is true. I think many are simply pretending and too afraid to take the step away from their blind faith. The indoctrination, the fear is too strong. They worry about disappointing family members, they are afraid of the possibility they may be wrong to step away from their faith and they again fear the potential consequences of displeasing this god they don’t know even exists. If there are any out there who feel like this I want you to know I understand. Indoctrination is powerful and sometimes rather than face reality we think it’s better to just continue the whole charade. It really isn’t. You deserve to be yourself, think and live for yourself without fear of an unknown future. You get ONE life, don’t waste it trying to please and appease anyone. If there is a god and I have nothing that convinces me there is then I ask you why would that god create us merely for his pleasure, to worship him both on this earth and the next life you think exists? It makes absolutely no sense. Please realize that your religion is just borrowed relics from other religions and cultures of the past. The god you worship exists solely in your mind, was made by men, in the image of men with what are human characteristics and not divine attributes. Take the time to look up the ancient myths of other gods people made up just like the god of the bible. Look up Zoroastrianism or even other gods who were part of resurrection cults promising eternal heaven. They all came before. History has a way of repeating itself.
  9. I agree, I went to the library today and checked out like every science book available haha.
  10. I mean, the dinosaur replica brought me to tears literally. Seeing it moved me emotionally to tears. It was stunning.
  11. I’m so glad that we, all of us here, escaped the hold of religion. Suppressing truth, whatever that may be and offering instead fairytales in its place is to me a cruelty. I understand some of why people have difficulty letting go of what they have been told is true but instead of being afraid of supposed consequences from a jealous mythical god bless want to think for myself. I want to explore actual possibilities. I want to learn everything I can about well everything. I just watched a video on YouTube and I am still floored by it. My heart is pounding. You may find it interesting too. I know I did. I want my kids to see it. Watching it with a clear mind not bogged down by religious ideology feels so liberating. I can actually take in and consider what I am hearing and seeing without simply shutting it out.
  12. I have always been interested in geology, fossils, and such. I just always set my interest aside. I also set aside my desire and love of learning and traded it instead for studying a fairytale. I truly hope my children don’t do this but I will allow them to live their lives as they choose.
  13. I am so happy lately to be learning. I am 39 and finally learning about evolution. I am learning about things outside of the Bible. The Bible is not and should never be used as instruction for history or science or well anything. The day my children are forced to learn anything from the Bible in their public schools will be the day I come unhinged and out of the closet as an atheist. I will come out loud, proud, angry, and shouting. I just recently told my oldest children that if this ever happens to let me know. I told them that if they feel their teachers aren’t fully teaching them about things like evolution to let me know. We live in the Bible Belt so I’m pretty certain only the basics may be taught. I am going to take it upon myself to make certain my children learn the truth. Soon I am taking my girls to the Natural History Museum which is about 2 hours from our house. I am 39 and I have never seen dinosaur fossils except in videos. I saw a replica at the O’Hare airport but never the real thing. The replica literally brought me to tears. I can’t explain to everyone how much happier I am to have finally fully escaped the religious delusion I was living under. Sometimes I am angry and sad about the whole ordeal and you may sense that in my posts from time to time. I am not simply blaming my parents for this. The indoctrination was wrong yes, their continued pushing beliefs on me and my children is wrong. I however take responsibility for not pulling away from all of this sooner. I take responsibility for ignoring truths which were directly in my face and I also take responsibility for my own ignorance regarding scientific truths. I want to learn and know. I have been watchcing a lot of AronRa’s videos lately and I’m loving it! If anyone can point me to more learning resources I would appreciate it.
  14. I loved this and it helped me so much!!! I also love Matt Dillahunty, Seth Andrews, and AronRa. I have been absorbing as much information as I can lately. I have also been learning about evolution lately too. Amazing!!!
  15. Mandy

    Maybe Atheist

    I consider myself an atheist. I personally preferred agnostic for the longest time because I was afraid to commit to not holding a belief in any sort of god. I’m okay with that now though. I can definitely say that I am NOT convinced according to any “evidence” presented thus far that there is a god. I am so happy to be here, thank you for your welcome.
  16. Mandy

    Maybe Atheist

    Great video! I can’t finish watching it right now but will later. I’m on break at work. Thanks again.
  17. Mandy

    Maybe Atheist

    No problem. I just wasn’t in the best of moods when I came across it. I’m happy to know you’re just an actual member Jesus.
  18. So true but I’m pretty sure mine actually do love their Jesus character. That and they seem to love their church family. I know my parents love me but I don’t feel valued since they have all of this. Am I jealous? Maybe. A part of me doesn’t really care though because just after awhile together something is most often said or done which makes my blood boil and my head explode. It’s probably best we see each other less but it’s sad because life is short.
  19. It’s seems so many of our stories resemble one another and I find it fascinating and quite depressing how many of us share the same reactions. It’s so sad what religion does to people, the backlash of getting out of it as well as being in it.
  20. Thank you. Even when I considered myself a believer I couldn’t reconcile the thought of allowing an ancient book or the god in that book to dictate every action in my life. I always knew I would never be able to or even want to do that. I am just not that person and I am so glad for that. I can’t imagine being them and not knowing what it is like to think for myself, to form my own opinions. To feel worthy of having an opinion, an idea, or a thought. I think it’s so sad how religion not only steals peoples identities but takes over their thought process.
  21. Mandy

    Maybe Atheist

    What? Can someone tell me if this is a troll or just a fellow member being funny. Either way, I’m not necessarily in the most humorous patient mood right now. sigh
  22. For me to have ever believed at all required me to dumb myself down, to put on the blinders. Just for me to simply believe and attend as little as I did required that. I feel sorry for people who just turn it all off. I feel sorry for them but still I am angry because of their choice in the matter. Go to church, that’s their business but make time for me and my kids. At least don’t throw shade saying maybe I should come over sometime. Ugh. It’s a one way street I swear.
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