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    Don't think so!

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  1. And I have faries at the bottom of my garden - I've experienced them. I KNOW THEY ARE REAL.
  2. Found in the Philippines, bones and teeth from several individuals who lived around the same time as Homo sapiens were moving out of Africa. The remains were found some years ago but a study is recently publiched in Nature magazine. Lived at same time as us - over 50,000 years ago. Another fact for the Young Creationists to think about. Apparently, there are still a lot of fundamentalists around who believe this rubbish. You've got to laugh, haven't you?
  3. Please see my comment in the 'I remember' thread.
  4. disillusioned: I agree. Being new to this forum perhaps I shouldn't sound off too loudly and will try to respond with gentleness! As I see it, if belief in god is not harming anyone (sometimes it does but I'm not talking about that) then let them be what they want to be. It seems to me that it does no good to scream at people for what they believe - not least because that is a sure way of antagonising and creating a more entrenched attitude. This is why I am a non-theist - for me there is no god but I see that others have their gods, created in their imaginations and real for them, and I am content about that. I'm still struggling with clarifying my non-theism, with firming-up by non-belief, of putting flesh on the bones. I am convinced that there is no god but I need to get my thoughts into a tidy place. I have lost Christian friends. I need atheists with whom I can dialogue. But, DevilsCabanaBoy, your attitude doesn't help me, I'm afraid.
  5. You don't need to apologise to those of us in the UK. One word: Brexit. We are the laughing stock of Europe and elsewhere. To cap it all, though, we hear that your Trump is backing our Boris to be the next PM. I can't imagine anything worse than Trump and Boris in bed together.
  6. I went to church yesterday - to play the organ because I believe in people having a good time when they get together and music is an important part of that and I think I can make a contribution. (Whether they have an enjoyable time is perhaps debatable!) This exercise of mine is getting more difficult as I reject almost all of what is said 'at the front'. On the other hand, I have to say that the members of the church have respect for my views and that is important to me. This is shown most of all in the fact that I am not offered the bread and wine during communion - that really pleases me because they know I won't take it and do not wish to offend. Not all Christians are bad people - but what they believe is bad rubbish.
  7. Thirteen years a nontheist, getting more content all the time. Never going back: why would I return to guilt and uncertainty as well as anger at some of the stuff done in the name of god? However, I'm still learning. I enjoy reading books by ex-Christians and atheists and find them challenging and helpful. On the other hand, I'm still trying to rid myself of unhealthy prejudice against fundamentalists....my experience of them remains a problem for me as well as for them! Good to have you here Jerry alongside others of like mind.
  8. Smile sweetly. If they are close to me they should know that I don't believe in praying so I'd be hypocritical if I said I would. So it's something like you suggest: 'Go to a doctor, hope all will be well', 'let me know if I can do anything'. I'm in a situation where a close family member is saying that their marriage is over after over 50 years. It would be so easy to say 'Pray about it and I will pray for you both'. But it's rubbish (not to my family member of course but I guess he/she and friends in the fundamentalist church are doing a lot of praying at the moment). If they were physically ill they'd go to a doctor but there's no question of going to a marriage guidance counsellor which I think is to do with their fundamentalism. Sorry, that's not really a tangent, the principles apply don't they? And to them and me it is 'terrible'.
  9. I like webmdave's viewpoint. I would like to clarify in response to Lefty. I will maintain, for now, my original position. It may be relevant that you have never been to UK. (I have never been to the USA which is why I added a proviso.) I live in an English city and my time as a minister was amongst people who came from (or to a lesser extent were the offspring of people who came from) the Caribbean and Africa. You will know that these areas were heavily influenced by an evangelical / fundamentalist missionary push. I have witnessed the other end of this, to a small extent, in both the Caribbean and East Africa. As a minister I was continually 'battling' against what I perceived as a fundamentalist sub-ideology. Discussions about creationism, abortion, other faiths etc were not un-common. Many of these people watch 'THE GOD CHANNEL', as do some much more liberal Christians it seems to me. Enough, I'm getting a bit angry and depressed! Perhaps my fundamentalist upbringing is showing in a blinkered outlook?
  10. Only my fundamentalist old friends from years ago and with whom I remained in contact until they were told I'd given up on god. Other Christians are OK and I notice no change in how we relate (I don't see them every week).
  11. Jerry your story is similar to mine - 60 years a Christian, much of it in ministry. The way that I cope may not suit you but I offer it. I do not call myself an atheist ('though I am). I am a non-theist. In another place on this site I drew attention to a book that I found very helpful: David Boulton's 'Godless for God's Sake'; this is all about non-theism. Basically, I do not believe in god, I say that I am not aware of any gods that I have (e.g. money, women, song!). But I can accept that other people have their gods which are created within their own imaginations (that is not a put-down) and which they find helpful, challenging, whatever. I am happy to acknowledge their gods which are in their lives. Of course I wish they were not so, but that's life. For example, in this way I am able to play the organ sometimes for my old church. OK it gets hairy sometimes because I fundamentally disagree with what is being said or sung, but I believe I am helping 'community' amongst a group of people who want to be together. Non-theism (or nontheism) satisfies me very well. I commend it. All the best in your pilgrimage.
  12. All the best with that. I've just remembered that in my youth I heard it stated that 'They are filling the pulpits with degrees and by degrees they are emptying the churches'. Needless to say this was the opinion of people who were 'charismatic' without having academic qualifications. And fundamenalist - yep, we don't need anything more than the Bible. Anybody else heard that?
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