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  1. I was amazed at how similar you sound to UK. We have Trump Puppet Johnson and others who are from the wealthy privileged and know nothing of people on the street. I've emailed my Member of Parliament today about SPITTING - something I see a lot of in London but not a word has been said so far as I know.
  2. I tell the truth! This morning I had to call at my partner's church to deliver a bottle of milk. I was met by a man who I know is super-religious, who held out his hand to be shaken. I jumped back and said 'No, we need to be careful, no offence'. He said god would protect us and still held out his hand. What a muffin. And his wife, who is a retired nurse, stayed at home to avoid the crowd at church. With idiots like him even Boris Johnson fades - and I never thought I'd say that. I am so cross.
  3. Welcome. I agree with Derek. As a bit of an aside. You say 'especially the Old Testament' and I think I can understand that. For me, however, the Old Testament is just a series of stories and poetry etc. But the New Testament, on which christians base so much importance, teaches that god gave his (!) son to die for the sins of the world - that is bizarre and revolting and I want nothing to do with such a concept (even though I preached it for years). Keep searching SarahJaneSmith and all the best. You could have a look at my story in the Testimonies section - named 'Watering Holes'.
  4. Welcome from me. You are starting an exciting journey - joyful at times, challenging at other times. Don't ever give up asking questions. And lots of the answers are here. This is my experience - and I was a Christian for over 60 years, much of that time in ministry.
  5. Just my two-pennyworth. There is a single verse in the Bible that appears to condemn homosexuality. The rest of the texts (and they are few and far between) used by Christians to condemn homosexuality are about sexual promiscuity and prostitution and also the lack of hospitality (Sodom).
  6. Well EXCUSE ME POLITELY (as my old dad used to say, and he was a fundamentaliust). Nobody gets into my vessel without an invitation. Back to the article - excellent, rings so true. I knew all of the arguments, many have been said, or more commonly implied, to me. I don't give my old cronies any chance these days as I know they won't listen and may well get offended, which I don't want. I just want a quiet life, too. In fact I have to face a new challenge this weekend. My partner has been diagnosed with an illness that requires extra support - which I want to fully give. This may mean that I have to sit with her in church which may be ok to a point because she sits for the whole service and that gives me permission to do the same! Nevertheless I am a bit fearful. At least it is a middle-of-the-road church (fundamentalists read: wishy washy, not really christian). The pilgrimage of life as an ex-christian is interesting, isn't it?
  7. Add my welcome too. In my extimony I describe my experience as 'Surprised by joy' - a nod to C S Lewsi and a dig at my old, long gone fundamentalism. I've never looked back although I retain an academic interest. However, I do find it irksome that Christians do not question my journey - after 60 years, including some as a minister, you'd think they would be interested but apparently not (and I'm not an ogre trying to spread my non-theism ). We had a minister for a meal this week - he is new to my partner's church - we chatted over many things but not a mention of my journey, though he knows I am an ex-christian and ex-minister of his church. Keep asking questions. And lots of the awkward questions are answered on this excellent Forum.
  8. I noticed that and drew the same conclusion. Weezer, I had not seen your paper. Many many thanks. I read it whilst having a coffee whilst my wife was in church. An excellent read, much of it resonates with me. Not to criticise, I would have liked to see some development of the latter parts - but I am a lazy so-and-so and should do it myself. Thanks again.
  9. I think it's because I live in one of the most diverse areas of UK. Professionals feel the need to show that they are impartial by producing statistics. I sort of get it although I, too, object to the question. In fact it makes no difference to the way I am treated, so far as I know....the colour of my skin may determine that!
  10. This is the reason that I self-identify as non-theist - which means I do not believe in a god but want to respect those who have created their gods from within their imaginations and who find them helpful. This morning I had to provide an answer to a person who had a tick box for 'religion'- she had none for non-theist, so I explained what it means, how important it is to me and agreed that she put me down as atheist (no-one else will see it and I'd rather it went into her statistical analysis as 'atheist' than anything else).
  11. Off-topic: I feel so sad and still do not understand how Christians, who put so much store on relationships, do not practice what they preach. I just don't get it. But it's true. Sadly. Perhaps I will come back on my own experience which is a bit different. But I am in my eighties and with a fairly tolerant personality. Back to you all.
  12. It could be that when you leave the congregation you discover something that many ex-christians in the western world have discovered....you never hear another word from your christian friends; no enquiries about your welfare, no moves to get you back, just silence. It's sad, but it happens frequently and more so, I suspect, amongst fundamentalist christians. It may even help you to confirm to yourself that you did the right thing. All the best on your journey.
  13. Perhaps my position had some similarities to yours? I was the main keyboard player at a 'middle-of-the-road' church. I believe in 'community', people doing things together and having fun. I felt that I was enabling that for 50 odd people by providing decent music for them to sing. All the time I was a non-believer and I played for them with that being known and agreed upon. But increasingly I could not cope with the theology / christian teaching / words of the hymns. The day came when I could no longer play without physical pain and I had to give up. With great relief. Trying to put myself in your shoes I would suggest you walk away. The idea that god will provide a replacement - I like that a lot! When all is said and done, the congregation could sing without live musicians, surely? We call it canned music. It's not ideal but it supplies the need. But it's not your concern, it's up to them to work out their own difficulties. Leave them, take control of your own life, and do it without any sense of guilt. I wish you the very best. By the way, I was a fully committed Christian minister for many years up to the time I retired when I saw the light.
  14. "Being honest with myself" is such an important thing to grasp and practice. I used to rely heavily on the opinions of others. I used to accept stuff without much questioning because I had been convinced by 'people who know better' that god is real, jesus is real and so on and so on. I preached this stuff because I believed it. Then I woke up and had to come to terms with my previous nonsense. I had to work at 'being honest with myself'. That is what brought joy and a sense of freedom.
  15. Yes, some of both. My sister repremanded me for saying there is no god - and affirmed that god is looking after her. But she is the most insecure person I know. And dragging others with her on her road. Our parents have a lot to answer for - I wonder what St Peter said to them at the gate?
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