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  1. I think we make a judgement on common sense backed by science and history. Then we interpret for today. So, for example, the story of the exodus is not backed up by modern research but it makes a good a story and may illustrate some truth (for those who are god believers). I suggest that confusion occurs only when it is thought that the bible is inerrant!
  2. It ain't god's word- that's now for me. As to whether I was a Christian once - you are entitled to your opinion. But it sounds to me that you are being too judgemental...unless I misunderstand what you are saying. The thing is: I did once believe the stuff I thought was fundamental, for example, acceptance of Jesus as God and Saviour and that made me a Christian, in my opinion.
  3. I did not and do not accept the precept 'either you accept the whole or ....'. I see no problem in rejecting bits you don't like unless you believe the stuff within the bible which says you must accept the whole. And I left it behind but that doesn't mean that there are some good bits in there that I can feel are important for me today. In the same way there are some good bits in other religious works. It's the concept that there is a god that I firmly reject (except that there are gods created by human beings - and that's not a put-down).
  4. For what it's worth: I used to follow a sort of 'pick and mix' view of bible stories, teachings, comments etc. What I liked I 'believed' and what I didn't like I rejected. So what, I thought? I had long rejected that the bible was inerrant or god-breathed. This was long after I had rejected my fundamentalist background and long after I had started to open my eyes to the fact that other Christians had different views on all sorts of things from creation to gay sex to women in leadership, to hell and so on and so on.
  5. I don't feel that I need to watch all of it in order to understand. It makes me sad. I know how idiots like that will progress in their 'teaching' and it simply confirms what I already believe. For what it's worth, I don't see any sense in all this stuff being rehearsed here.
  6. I was amazed at how similar you sound to UK. We have Trump Puppet Johnson and others who are from the wealthy privileged and know nothing of people on the street. I've emailed my Member of Parliament today about SPITTING - something I see a lot of in London but not a word has been said so far as I know.
  7. I tell the truth! This morning I had to call at my partner's church to deliver a bottle of milk. I was met by a man who I know is super-religious, who held out his hand to be shaken. I jumped back and said 'No, we need to be careful, no offence'. He said god would protect us and still held out his hand. What a muffin. And his wife, who is a retired nurse, stayed at home to avoid the crowd at church. With idiots like him even Boris Johnson fades - and I never thought I'd say that. I am so cross.
  8. Welcome. I agree with Derek. As a bit of an aside. You say 'especially the Old Testament' and I think I can understand that. For me, however, the Old Testament is just a series of stories and poetry etc. But the New Testament, on which christians base so much importance, teaches that god gave his (!) son to die for the sins of the world - that is bizarre and revolting and I want nothing to do with such a concept (even though I preached it for years). Keep searching SarahJaneSmith and all the best. You could have a look at my story in the Testimonies section - named 'Watering Hol
  9. Welcome from me. You are starting an exciting journey - joyful at times, challenging at other times. Don't ever give up asking questions. And lots of the answers are here. This is my experience - and I was a Christian for over 60 years, much of that time in ministry.
  10. Just my two-pennyworth. There is a single verse in the Bible that appears to condemn homosexuality. The rest of the texts (and they are few and far between) used by Christians to condemn homosexuality are about sexual promiscuity and prostitution and also the lack of hospitality (Sodom).
  11. Well EXCUSE ME POLITELY (as my old dad used to say, and he was a fundamentaliust). Nobody gets into my vessel without an invitation. Back to the article - excellent, rings so true. I knew all of the arguments, many have been said, or more commonly implied, to me. I don't give my old cronies any chance these days as I know they won't listen and may well get offended, which I don't want. I just want a quiet life, too. In fact I have to face a new challenge this weekend. My partner has been diagnosed with an illness that requires extra support - which I want to fully give.
  12. Add my welcome too. In my extimony I describe my experience as 'Surprised by joy' - a nod to C S Lewsi and a dig at my old, long gone fundamentalism. I've never looked back although I retain an academic interest. However, I do find it irksome that Christians do not question my journey - after 60 years, including some as a minister, you'd think they would be interested but apparently not (and I'm not an ogre trying to spread my non-theism ). We had a minister for a meal this week - he is new to my partner's church - we chatted over many things but not a mention of my journey, though
  13. I noticed that and drew the same conclusion. Weezer, I had not seen your paper. Many many thanks. I read it whilst having a coffee whilst my wife was in church. An excellent read, much of it resonates with me. Not to criticise, I would have liked to see some development of the latter parts - but I am a lazy so-and-so and should do it myself. Thanks again.
  14. I think it's because I live in one of the most diverse areas of UK. Professionals feel the need to show that they are impartial by producing statistics. I sort of get it although I, too, object to the question. In fact it makes no difference to the way I am treated, so far as I know....the colour of my skin may determine that!
  15. This is the reason that I self-identify as non-theist - which means I do not believe in a god but want to respect those who have created their gods from within their imaginations and who find them helpful. This morning I had to provide an answer to a person who had a tick box for 'religion'- she had none for non-theist, so I explained what it means, how important it is to me and agreed that she put me down as atheist (no-one else will see it and I'd rather it went into her statistical analysis as 'atheist' than anything else).
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