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Jojo

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  1. Use of interpretation and opinions is what confuses many about Christianity today.
    Has Christianity not been controlled and "taught" by thousands of false preachers for hundreds and hundreds of years to what it has become today therefore much of what most have learned/experienced is that false presentation of the Bible.
    I don't blame any of you for how you may feel or what you've learned and experienced with what Christianity and the Bible (taught by false preachers) is and what it's become. It's not surprising that I'd be thrown into the same category because you may have "heard it all before" but have those past preachers and religions base everything strictly off the Bible without their own interpretations and opinions? We're you able to ask and receive answers from these preachers and priests regarding the Bible?


  2. 17 hours ago, LogicalFallacy said:

     

    No, I'm telling you that BOTH could be an agent of Lucifer. Wolves in sheep's clothing let loose among our flock here to try and convince those who were true believers back into a false Christianity. It's a great play from ol Luci when you think about it.

     

    (Unless it's all in gods plan... in which case it's not Luci's plan, it's gods, which means god could be blinding our eyes by using false teachers. Paul also warned about this too!)

     

    @Jojo and @Christforums While this might look insincere or a halfwit joking around, consider the point being made here by both Midnite and I. Given all what we can take from the bible how do we tell the difference between who is right or wrong, or indeed if you are both deceived, or if God has given us a strong delusion? This is my problem with the various Christians who try and convince me they are right - all they ever have are their words and interpretations. None have yet come up with a solid reliable method that lets a non believer separate the sheep from the goats and the wolves. From where we stand they all look the same.

     

     

    Anything to help the saints here.


    The difference is that @Christforums states his own interpretation and or opinions of the Bible. 
    I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right, you don't have to listen to me. I'm simply presenting what is strictly from the Bible without use of interpretation and opinion.


  3. 29 minutes ago, Christforums said:

     

    If Jesus is just a man then man is quite capable of obtaining righteousness and fulfilling all requirements of the law. There's little if any need at all for Jesus Christ other than his guidance as a good moral teacher.

     

    If this is what you believe then that's Pelagian (rejects original sin or a sin nature), and the way you obtain salvation is through works righteousness, performance based salvation or perfectionism.


    But there is a need for Jesus Christ. As I've stated in a previous post: 
    'Christ is different or distinct from all men.

    Christ is the only man that did not sin (I Pet. 2:21-22; Heb. 4:15) He is who He is because God appointed Jesus as the only Savior (Acts 13:23) Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man (I Tim. 2:5) and the only way to
    God (John 14:6).'

    This is not Pelagian because we do not simply reject original sin. Man has definitely sinned and we became God's enemy. However, Jesus Christ died for all of our sins. Works of righteousness alone won't get us anywhere. Christ is our Savior, the Mediator and the only way back to God and to get salvation is by being inside the one true church, The Church of Christ.

     


  4. 7 minutes ago, disillusioned said:

     

    So you believe Jesus is the Son of God, but not God. Hmmmm. Does he sit at God's right hand? Will he return, to reign for all eternity? Presumably he's more than merely human. Some kind of demigod? Honestly asking.


    Yes, I believe Jesus is the Son of God and that Jesus Christ is not God.
    He is not a demigod. There are plenty of instances where Jesus Christ introduced Himself as the Son OF God and never called Himself a "Demigod" or "God THE Son" 
    He has attributes of a human being. He was hungry (Matt. 4:2) thirsty, (John 19:28) even tired (John 4:6) and died (Matt 27:50; I Cor. 15:3) but Christ is different or distinct from all men.

    Christ is the only man that did not sin (I Pet. 2:21-22; Heb. 4:15) He is who He is because God appointed Jesus as the only Savior (Acts 13:23) Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man (I Tim. 2:5) and the only way to God (John 14:6).

    I hope this was clear and answers your question as well. And as I offered previously to Lefty for I'm unqualified, you can speak with a Minister in my Church to talk about the Scriptures written in the Bible and ask whatever you want and if you want to know more about who Jesus is and what He is. Message me if you're interested, I hope you take up the offer as well.

    Thank you.

     


  5. 1 hour ago, midniterider said:

     

    So you're happy with people celebrating a religious occasion that's not in the bible? Sweet. I love that open-mindedness. I personally think people should celebrate whatever occasion they like.

     

    http://www.goddessandgreenman.co.uk/ostara/

     

    Ostara, Eostre, Easter! Celebrate the equinox with a fertility ritual!


    I didn't state being happy with people celebrating this religious occasion but people to simply to understand and learn what you're truly doing by celebrating or supporting this specific holiday that many participate in.
    I agree that people in this world can and will celebrate whatever occasion they'd like but why not educate ourselves in the things we do especially when it comes to religion or spirituality.


  6. 8 hours ago, Lefty said:

     

    Okay fair enough. I had forgotten this is the Lion's Den. And you are welcome. I do understand where you are coming from, as I was once deceived as well. But don't worry, your affliction is not life threatening and quite curable.

     

    Might I recommend that you read my thread "Search for Truth"...And once you have, feel free to make a counter offer! Maybe post a new separate thread so it doesn't get lost in this thread on Easter. I would advise you to take on the whole armor of your god. 

     

    https://www.ex-christian.net/topic/81759-my-search-for-truth/

     


    Thank you, I apologize for this brief moment being off topic.

    I appreciate the sharing of your thread. I understand your search, learning or dealing with the false preachers you've experienced along the way as well. 
    However, if you're interested and still willing to learn and to further study as you have been (for I am unqualified) you are more than welcome to discuss and ask as many questions as you'd like regarding the Scriptures written in the Bible with a Minister in my Church. You can even discuss the first problem you had with the verse Ezekiel 28:15. This can be done through video or however you prefer contact. I truly hope you take up the offer. 

    Thank you.


  7. 16 hours ago, disillusioned said:

     

    So how do you classify yourself?

     

     

    16 hours ago, Christforums said:

     

    May I ask which school of thought best aligns with your theology?

     

    Trinitarian theology is considered essential soteriology. It is characteristic of cults to distort essential doctrine enough to make salvation unattainable. For example, on one hand an essential is that there's  only one God Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 44:8; 45:5 and that believing in a false God brings judgment Exodus 20:1-6. On the other hand there are those that reject God the Son John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9 and such rejection results dying in one's own sin John 8:24. Trinitarianism teaches that there is One God in Three Persons. The Three Persons are not distinct enough to have separate wills but individual enough to commune together.

     

    All denominations agree to these essentials, for example, the truths conveyed from Scripture in the Nicene Creed are considered essential to the faith. The Nicene Creed establishes Trinitarianism. All denominations are "Christian" because they agree upon these essential truths while rejection of the truths conveyed from Scripture in the Creed are generally a tell tale, red flag, or a litmus test to orthodoxy which places an individual or congregation outside Christianity and into the class of cult or sect. Just to emphasize, a person is not placed outside of Christianity because they disagree with or reject the Nicene Creed but because they reject the essential truths conveyed from Scripture in the Creed.

     

    I don't mean to pick you apart but just noted something of interest when reading your responses. I love theology so I'll be eager to listen to you.

     

    Look forward to our future engagements,

    enjoy.

     

     

     


    I'm simply a member of the Church of Christ. We are Christian and don't believe in the Trinity. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God (Matt. 3:17) and that Christ is a man and not God or a God-Man as Christ stated himself (John 8:40) as well as the Apostles (1 Tim. 2:5; Matt. 1:18). 

     

    We're not a denomination, cult or sect and do not follow this Nicene Creed you mentioned. This is a religion that worships the Almighty God strictly based on His teachings recorded in the Bible with no opinions involved.

    No problem, didn't take it as being taken apart and I hope this answers your question.


  8. 13 minutes ago, Lefty said:

     

    Seriously? Are you actually trying to save my soul on an ex-Christian forum? I have been fully persuaded in my own mind for years thank you very much. With all due respect, you don't want to draw your sword on me of all people.


    I'll do what I can if it means saving a soul and through whatever forum it may be. I do not wish to draw my sword on anyone, I simply want to share my faith and the peace that it's given me throughout my life.

    Also, it's not I that will persuade your mind, only the Biblical truth can. Thank you for your reply, Lefty.


  9. 3 hours ago, wellnamed said:

    I think the way Christians in Europe appropriated/incorporated pre-existing pagan holidays/rituals is fascinating but I think the idea that Easter -- as celebrated by modern Christians -- has nothing to do with Jesus is clearly wrong. They kept the pagan name (well, except the Eastern Orthodox) and some of those pagan-y aspects and substituted a lot of other symbolism about the resurrection. The relationship between any modern Christian holiday and the gospels or 1st century Christian practice is tenuous at best, but that's true across the board.

     

    Some Christians become very uncomfortable with that history and so reject the idea of "Easter" as a Christian holiday. Others really want to practice something they believe to be "authentic" early Christianity so they reject other ideas. Other Christians don't particularly mind about any of this. I think pretty much everyone would benefit from knowing more of the history just because I think it helps illustrate how religious practice is created by people in specific historical contexts over time. That is, it's useful as a reminder that religions are human creations, and not the pristine, internally consistent, perfect and unchanging revelation of God handed down on stone tablets once and for all.

     

     

    2 hours ago, Lefty said:

    Part of the problem with holidays is that much of the so-called Christian holidays is that they were created and promoted by the Catholic church, and the rest by those who want to justify still being knee deep in the "world" and living among the heathen.

     

    Christian doctrine says for believers to be separate from the world, yet they don't separate, but instead, they go about life like everybody else. According to sound doctrine, they are wrong. It's as if they never even read the story about the Prodigal Son. The actual doctrine says to not be like the unbelieving world. The truth is, believers are to gather socially, yes, but wherever you meet, on a street corner, in a home, etc. Not a single verse in the bible says to build church buildings.

     

    The truth is, that these "holidays" are not Christian and have no basis in the Christian doctrine for any celebrations. They are nothing more than attempts to increase attendance and increase their financial budgets. Also, consider that many are also based on Old Testament Jewish occasions and rituals. Easter itself has some basis in the Christian doctrine, but it's not doctrinal at all. Their own god never said celebrate his rising from the dead.

     

    What history has shown us though is that the Catholic church has been expert at incorporating various pagan practices so as to appeal to said pagans and to make it easier for those people to join the RCC cult. And we also know from the historical record, that many so-called Christians were forcing their ideas on the unbelieving via the point of a sword through the conquest of foreign lands. Heck, if it even exists, if you want to find the Ark, look to the Vatican.

     

    As I understand the Christian doctrine, believers were never to celebrate such things as Easter (pagan adaptation), Lent (Catholic invention), and all the rest. Pagans understand rituals and idols. Old habits die hard. The churches are to this day just as ritualistic as any pagan religion.

     

    But, it is said the god of the bible is an understanding god, right? Lots of compassion and all that. So it actually says, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind...". I cannot count how many debates I've had over the years with other "Christians" and pastors on that topic alone. Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that it varies from person to person based on how they choose to interpret things that are written.

     

    If a person believes a word says orange when it says white, it is only they who can change their own minds. I believe in the rights of man to believe or not.

     

    Oh Lefty, The Father is the only true God.  Jesus is the son, therefore not God.  Easter is a non Christian feast that we should not celebrate.  Be persuaded n your own mind to believe these and much more as written in the Bible.  incmedia.org/thatsinthebible
     

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