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Edgarcito

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  1. lol, but there's only two of us....
  2. Yeah, but when you are "lost" and a group of people start paying attention to you......then it's pretty much human nature to say whatever they are doing is right because it feels so right to you. Then it progresses into 3.5 hymns, potlucks, and two prayers to be right. And then right is 3.5 kids and the SUV and knowing there are people that just don't get it like you do. I still believe but also think it was healthy for me to contest my beliefs and then decide whether I believed after that. And this place just so happened to be the test. Fundamentalism is just part of the evangelical process I think. Haven't read the Bible in years but on occasion. The message is so much more clear now....and different, than it was before. I realize not for you, but still feels like home for me...which is ok for both of us.
  3. Keen little badges we get now......I read the Prof's and Florduhs, and I swear they said "grand bastards"...lol.
  4. I will attempt to use your advice. Our best efforts at communication in my opinion shows respect and helps us understand each other better. From glancing at some of your responses in other threads, I gather you are a very knowledgeable person....which I appreciate on some level. In my mind, the constant dynamic nature of our world, and what I understand of outside our world, suggests a state always working towards balance.....which is not balanced but unbalanced. And to that point, ultimately labeling the processes as such is currently out of our capabilities.....on the large and small ends both. As an aside, what keeps popping into my mind are the descriptions people give after a near death experience....oneness, more colors. For some reason my mind wants to associate balanced with these descriptions. Thanks.
  5. Been to enough therapy Walter where I believe this to be immaturity. Had you had sufficient intellect, you would have noticed that our assigning broken or unbroken, imbalanced or balanced, is truly whatever we wish to assign it given our lack of capability, given our lack of point of view. Because you don't seemingly grasp this, your help is of no consequence. Thank you Ed
  6. Certainly. Which is part of my point. My balance is not anyone else's balance.....that a marriage is to strive to provide a loving "balance" through the years. Again, at the end, I expect there is a time when you just think, wow, I can't believe that person had the tenacity to help me through life. It's amazing actually.
  7. I've already explained the contradiction. Why do you incessantly keep asking the same questions. It's a bad quality in you sir. Please stop and go re-read what I have posted. Then ask yourself if I really haven't answered your question.....which I have.
  8. I believe it's broken and unbalanced, but that is from the perspective I have. I expect from my perspective, it's whatever I label it....
  9. Walter, what is a balanced universe. Please explain. Thanks.
  10. Maybe because you would want religious people to understand science....where you might frame it that there is anecdotal evidence to support God in science.....and vice versa. I don't know that I'm understanding your question please.
  11. Not entirely on topic Edgarcito, but I can't agree with your last, throwaway comment. If life is something that just happens then it gains its meaning ONLY from us, the people living it. Not from an unattainable theoretical absolute. We alone are responsible to each other and to ourselves to give our lives (and by extension, our marriages) meaning. Thank you. Walter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Above is a rephrasing of one of my earlier posts. If life is just something that happens then there is no theoretical absolute to try and reach. ...and the universe is unbroken by sin. And therefore, balanced. Thank you. Walter. That's fine, that's your opinion. It's not mine. Edit: You really have no means of saying balanced...
  12. I expect there is a way to marry science and religion. The thoughts bounce around in my head regularly. I don't think Walter that it has to be one way or the other to be a coherent life.... Truthfully, I like my thoughts from earlier in the day...
  13. I don't think we know due to our many limitations. What I would speculate is unbalanced and broken....
  14. So? That doesn't limit my aspirations towards the "unattainable". Science? Religion?
  15. My mind plays tricks on me every now and then. When I look at my subjective view of nature, a sunset perhaps, I think balance. But we know that it's a wildly dynamic event. Is the constant state of turmoil "broken"? Isn't it working towards an equilibrium? Is that broken and the equilibrium balance? To the latter, I don't think we know due to perspective....
  16. Practical as a function of unable to attain a theoretical. We would all like people to be happy, have X and Y and Z......a theoretical, but yes, we only have practical as our inability to produce anything else. We invoke it all the time. We should aspire to what is unattainable and marry that to practical. We obviously are different people...
  17. I didn't really answer your question now that I re read. Per the Old Testament example, I don't think we know the enough to govern ourselves such that the outcome follows any theoretical absolute. We just don't have the capability. Promote balance as well as we are subjectively able. Not even sure then. Who knows if my imbalance is necessary for balance somewhere else in some larger plan. Would be interesting to review the commandments again an see if the jive with my theory...
  18. Good question. I'm thinking at this point, after my "debate" with Josh regarding spirituality, that there might be an innate something in us that recognizes the balance that is existence, i.e. a part of the natural world.....and that we also want to do that, the justice that is balance, in our consciousness as part of that creation/existence. In other words, some people see the balance in physics, chemistry, and the universe......and I'm thinking this balance is similar in our consciousness. By justice, I mean we either like or dislike, agree or disagree, associate or disassociate, given our needs. BUT, the need for balance still remains in us. Seeing empathy for the homeless but anger for them not working might be an example. New thoughts to me actually....but I think marginally cool.
  19. The point being, "love" is that thing unique to each of us as each of us are unique. My difficulties and yours are different, as are anyone else's. And the reason we hear "the message" differently. Which makes it paramount that we continue to participate/commune with another to define and understand those things unique to an individual. Love is more likely that process, that we are then "one" as Josh explains... Again, that we know one another.... Florduh probably likes mustard on his watermelon. It's sacrilege, but we recognize this in him, laugh, and he's still one with us despite the faulty taste buds... And it took us years to learn this about him..
  20. Well look, the main theme in the Bible is to "know" through communing, praying, etc. We may know Love through Christ's relationship with God the Father. Then we would know God through our relationship with Chirst, ......and then other's know God/Love through our relationship with them. Same in marriage, that we know the other person.....study, commune, pray for, support. All the same values that get us through the difficult times in life, get us through that difficult time in marriage. Seems rather straightforward... When we actually know the other person, then I believe we are more likely to understand the faults and forgive the trespasses....
  21. And the anecdote is rather very much what we see in the Bible....marriage to Christ in trust an faith. Don't quit running. Commune together. Intimacy, Knowing. Then Heaven in the end. I don't really wish to argue about the history of marriage. Just another observation that Josh and I find valid....
  22. You have put out contradiction here....bullet 4 and bullet 3. I've witness so many marriages where it's bliss in the beginning, difficulty in the middle, and damn near a perfect love in the end. People celebrate these marriages. Isn't the point to "keep them" in order to get through the difficult times? I don't get it. It's a contract until someone wants to rewrite the contract during the varied stages of life. We already knew there would be varied stages.....
  23. I think the typical vows going in are pretty self explanatory. We go in acknowledging that there will be difficult times....which would be the point, that we vow to another person that we will help them get from A to B, good and bad, in trust and faith.
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