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  1. Regarding Project Paperclip - And this comes from document obtained from the Freedom of Information Act I'm providing these two examples to show the character of the USG and the U.S. Military. The Nazi supporter Otto Ambros, a director for I.G. Farben, was convicted for slavery and mass murder at Nuremberg. He tested various poisonous gas formulas and nerve agents on prisoners at Auschwitz. In 1951 he was brought to America and hired as a consultant to Grace, Dow Chemical, and a few other American companies, as well as the U.S. Army Chemical Corps. During the time Ambros was a consultant, the Army Chemical Corps, using Auschwitz documents as a guide, conducted the same types of poison gas experiments that had been done in secret I.G. Farben labs. The Army Chemical Corps conducted the experiments at Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland. The lab rats were over seven thousand American soldiers that were not told what they were to suffer. Wernher von Braun, the celebrated rocket hero of NASA, worked to death thousands of prisoners he enslaved in his research and manufacturing facilities in Germany. The prisoners/workers/slaves were fed one piece of bread per day and worked until they could no longer stand. They were then hauled outside and dumped on a pile of corpses and left to die. The mountain of bodies was estimated to be over six thousand deep at the time the factory was liberated. How many actually died is unknown because workers were burning them as fast as they could. For more good stuff on how the U.S. Military fucks over service men and women, read: Clouds of Secrecy, The Army's Germ Warfare Tests over Populated Areas - Leonard A. Cole (Forward by Senator Alan Cranston) Secret Agenda - Linda Hunt
  2. Look a few posts higher in this thread. I did provide additional references. So far mvc, all you've done is bully me (and other people) in this and other threads. You bring a lot of 'bully' to the table, but not much else.
  3. You didn't provide proof your version wasn't altered, did you? Please provide the proof. Thank you mwc.
  4. June 5, 1933 H.J.Res. 192 (was possibly repealed but still covered by) U.S. Code: Title 31Sec. 5118 Title 31 Sec 3123 Title 18 Sec. 8 Title 31 Sec. 3111. 31 Sec. 3123 There are more than those documents, and there are documents that supersedes any law congress writes (Doctrine of Discovery, Treaty of Verona, Monroe Doc, etc). These things are difficult to "believe" because they contradict what is taught as fact when they are not facts. The USG teaches all kinds of conspiracies and falsehoods in the classroom while implying they are facts, such as the Quantum Theory, Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, the Theory of Relativity, etc., and people learn to stick up for those lies and thus protect the liars. The men that signed the Declaration of Independence, claiming all men are created equal, where fucking masonic slave owners yet Americans think of them as good men when they were not good men because the USG puts a good slant on its history. A person is not born an American. A child is taught to be an American and they don't have a choice. Think about that, because that is how they protect the system. Why would the USG need anybody to do battle for them? The people in Washington are big boys and girls but without people going to battle for them, they are not much more than flesh-bags of gas and deceit. Oh, and when you watch mainstream news, call the news company and request "verification of the mere assertions" to 'prove' the information coming from the news reader is factual. Call and ask for the names of the "experts" that do all the myriad "a resent study says" reports. Ask for a copy of the study. See what happens.
  5. But... the bankruptcy is clear in both "versions" isn't it, so the Congressman's statement isn't all that important. The bankruptcy is important. A country has to remain solvent to remain sovereign. Also, I see nobody is touching on the tech. I know many here are ex-military or whatever, and very few people respect what the U.S. Military has done and is doing in the world today. So attacking me and this information doesn't change the history of the United States, its military, or its present condition.
  6. PUBLIC LAW 105–85—NOV. 18, 1997, passed by the 105 Congress, allows for the spraying of Chemtrails. Page 287 contains the terminology. The Section is 1078. It can also be found in the US Code at 50 USC 1520. ---- National Defense Authorization Act - allows for the hire and payment of people for the purpose of pushing the agenda of the government. Lies allowed. ---- Just a few patents for mind-control: US PATENT 3,951,134 US PATENT 4,717,343 US PATENT 4,858,612 US PATENT 4,877,027 US PATENT 5,123,899 US PATENT 5,128,765 US PATENT 5,151,080 US PATENT 5,159,703 US PATENT 5,270,800 US PATENT 5,507,291 US PATENT 5,539,705 US PATENT 5,629,678 US PATENT 5,760,692 US PATENT 5,868,100 US PATENT 5,905,461 US PATENT 5,935,054 US PATENT 5,952,600 US PATENT 6,006,188 US PATENT 6,011,991 US PATENT 6,014,080 US PATENT 6,017,302 US PATENT 6,051,594 US PATENT 6,052,336 ---- US CODE 3002,15,A defines the "United States" as a federal corporation. A great example of the government fraud can be found in the words of Congressman James Traficant Jr. of Ohio (Volume 33, page H-1303 of the United States Congressional Record of March 17, 1993): "Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in the world history, the US Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for out future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73 Congress session June 5th, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only. The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the international Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. The new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or replacing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: 'The US Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States'... ---- Back in 1907, when then Attorney General Charles Joseph Bonaparte appealed to Congress and asked them to authorize and fund the Federal Bureau of Investigation, he was turned down. Congress viewed the formation of the FBI to be a Secret Police Force. Bonaparte hired men anyway and paid them from a slush fund. They quickly created files on Congress, then used extortion to keep anyone from dismantling them. They are a private Police force serving and protecting the banking families and they certainly have no authority granted by the USG. Back in 1980 a bill was introduced to the 96th Congress, S.2928, to establish a charter for the FBI but it was never passed and so the FBI has never been given legal status by the USG. ----
  7. As Christians were pouring oil over a person tied to a stake, they told that person they were helping them avoid eternal torment. "We are going to burn you alive until you are dead, but we are helping to save your soul", they said to the heretic (free thinker). As can be gained in various threads and posts by the military-type people that contribute to this forum (or behavioral scientists - if they prefer), apparently the goal is to pigeonhole people into a new label if they leave Christianity. Christianity is a system of control. The psyops manual requires such a pigeonholing because people need to be under control. That is what the military does, they control and kill - and that is all they do, but to do that efficiently they have to do research, lab work, and field tests. Military-type people do not think for themselves (they wouldn't be allowed in the military, or allowed to work for them through crisis management agencies, universities, defense contractors, alphabet agencies, or humanitarian foundations in field tests for long if they did) and if they cannot label a person, or if they they can label a person a threat to the status-quo, they begin to attack them in the forums, which is a psyops tactic too, just to see what comes next. "Beat the person down" has been an effective technique for the entire history of the U.S. government - and that comes from the Bible, which contains the original blueprints for mind-control. A person would have to think outside of a pigeonhole to pick up on these things. When a person does so, they are give a new label (nutter) and a tinfoil hat because how dare a person think for themselves, or even more detrimental to the status-quo, how dare they out-think the psyops manual, at which point the military-type men think to themselves, maybe we are being tested too, so we better stick to the manual, but they don't really know if that is true because figuring that out would require thinking outside the military-mind and the psych books used to classify people and to force, I mean condition, folks to fit the beliefs of a bunch of criminally insane head-shrinks. They don't understand that the government needs to bend to the will of the people - not the other way around. See, people don't need the government or the military, or even the head-shrinks, but those institutions and head-doctors need the people, which is why you see military-type 'pysch' responses on this forum. Military folks follow orders, manuals, and procedures, and that makes them very efficient and well trained, especially those people that work in the "mind-fuck-your-fellow-Americans" department, a department tasked with manipulating the minds of Americans under the pretense of research and national security, to help those people of course, but the military-type people (retired, pretending to be retired, or otherwise) doing the field work don't know what the real objective is and so they only follow orders - which apparently is to get people to agree with them, or not. They don't care if people argue, so long as they can be labeled the military-type folks know how to deal with them because they can look it up. If the military-type people are successful, the converts (those people in compliance with the psyops manual and given a label) just retweet the forum message for the particular pigeonhole they exist in thus allowing the military-type people to concentrate on the harder to control people - I mean help people that need it the most - something they won't always be able to do because a person has to be willing to be helped into a pigeonhole, and not everybody is willing. So why the importance of grabbing ex-Christians and controlling them? Because everything the masters of those military-type men are doing they plan to blame of the wrath of god, and if people leave Christianity it will be impossible to convince them god did it. From Hitler's Holocaust (King David's Holocaust), to all the Jews returning to Israel, to the downing of the twin towers, to the War of Terror in the Middle East perpetrated by the U.S. Military, the masters are following the biblical play book while marching towards a tyrannical communistic/socialist NWO (as it is outlined in the Bible). Just compare history to the Bible and see for yourself. Of course that would mean the military-type people would actually have to read the plan, I mean the Bible from cover-to-cover, and do some historical research outside mainstream status-quo. I noticed that few ex-Christians on this forum know anything about the Bible and instead refer to religious dogma written by other mind-fuckers. How do I know that - I tested the forum and nobody would touch a scriptural-only post. Not even the government-sponsored protagonist Christian patsy experts (used to keep things stirred up) would touch them. The military-type people need to read the actual Bible (cover-to-cover) to know what I'm talking about. They might also start researching what tech the U.S. Military has at its disposal. The U.S. Patent Office and Project Paperclip would be a good starting point, as would 1933 when the federal government went belly-up and lost its status in the world as a sovereign nation. For 86 years the feds have kept that quiet. To overcome that, or rather prevent people from looking into the history of Washington D.C, the U.S. Military, and the U.S. Patent Office, those ex-Christian folks need to be controlled and pointed to science and math that explains nothing because they, like Jesus, are just theories, unproven theories, myths if you will, and that will keep the ex-Christians busy instead of having them research why are all the weather changes happening, why the chemtrails, why all the lies from the government, what kind of tech are they using to pull off this fraud because how can a prophecy that has been in the public domain for over 1600 years be a prophetic, wouldn't that be considered a plan? And other uncomfortable questions the masters don't want to deal with. When a person starts to free their mind from one of the control systems, the military-type men are right there to help imprison their minds with new bullshit. They show up on forums all over the Internet. They are really easy to spot, and they are here too. Will the military-type men play good-cop bad-cop with this post (in the hopes of social engineering personal info, to be used against me, I mean to help me), or issue a "grab your tinfoil hats - this guy is a fucking nut case warning"? Perhaps they will sit back and see if the retweeters will do the attack for them, which would please them very much because that has always been a big part of the status-quo, a type of pysops that started long before the present day mind-fuckers were born. If it wasn't for that psyops, there wouldn't be military-type people fucking with other people on this, or any other forum, because it takes an incredible amount of mind-fucking to get people to join the military and agree to kill and be killed for god and country. It takes even more mind-fucking to get Americans to think of fellow Americans as the enemy. Things like 9/11 and school shootings work well, but if a person did a little research they'd find the very first school shootings were conducted by the U.S. Military when they marched into government schools and shot unarmed and defenseless native children - over two hundred in one day, but nobody should try to turn the tables on the mind-fuckers and profile the character of the government and its military because that is not right. That's not patriotic. Thinking, after all, is not a good thing if it goes against the wishes of the fascist state employing the mind-fuckers. The fascist state steals the money to pay the mind-fuckers from the people they mind-fuck. Part of the plan is to eventually kill all the mind-fuckers, something they don't know, but hey, isn't this the greatest country ever? There are several hundred million people dead (killed - because this country exists and operates with the Christian beliefs it does) along with about six and a half billion people living around the world that would answer that question a big fat NO! So what's it going to be mind-fuckers? Will you do some research outside the status-quo and outside the procedural directives you swore to uphold, or attack this post?
  8. Not really. You were educated in a socialist/communist school system run by a Christian-based government where you were indoctrinated by attending 13 years of Jesuit/Masonic based education and donned a Masonic mortar-board hat (square) and black robe to symbolize how "in-the-dark" you still were. 13 - Jesus and the 12 apostles. The 13 colonies. A judge and 12 jurors. God and the 12 tribes of Israel, and on and on the proof goes. They swapped religion with government but the hierarchy of the church can be found in the hierarchy of the government - there is no difference. Only the labels and details changed. The way they presented it changed. Nothing changed in the base mind-fuck. Yes, inequality of women is Biblical and religious in origin. Read the book from cover-to-cover. Your answer here shows just how effective the swap 'religion' to 'government' works. The government runs the schools and your answers about biology reaffirms the Bible, but biology doesn't answer why the biblical god cursed women and put men in charge of them. In other words, the bible enslaves women to men and no where does it bring up the biological inferiority of women. Women have been traditionally beaten down. There are women body-builders that could kick our asses so absolute gender profiling doesn't hold up. Do some historical research. Don't just retweet the establishment lies. It was a 'religion' forced onto the natives in the Americas that caused them (forced them) to conduct human sacrifices. They didn't do it willing . All that comes from the very same place, the very same people. There is absolutely no difference between what the Egyptians were doing and what was forced onto people in the Americas. Do the research. There are numerous older books online now. The older the book, the less it'll have been tainted by the efforts of the Vatican's intelligence community - which is the same as the intelligence community in America. A big part of their job is to change names and dates and to obscure truth. I'm going to give just one example here of how they do it so you'll know at least one thing to look for if you choose to research. A document will be created, usually a legal document. It will be used to achieve "the agenda" at the time it was written. Then, decades or centuries later, the document will prove to be false or forged and dismissed because it really was forged or contained false information at the time it was written. Once the document and the information is dismissed by historians, what it achieved will be obscured. Then any time the document is referenced by people as historic, mainstream academia will attack it as false, even though it achieved the goals it was written for. In other words, it doesn't matter if the document and or the information it contains was forged and false. It worked anyway. So, anything that is "well established" today needs to be well researched, and any historical information that today's mainstream academia attacks warrants extra scrutiny. The argument you present regarding the superior fire-powered Europeans leaves out the fact they were Christians, and follows with a retweet of mainstream academia's ideas of how it was back then. Get some books from the Native's perspective and get some books written by real eye witnesses of the Christian invasion of the Americas. You'll quickly change your mind about how it all happened. Christopher Columbus and his team slaughtered eight million natives all by themselves. You won't hear about that on Columbus Day.
  9. OK, but you must be aware there is no way to separate government from religion because governments are based on religious beliefs. It wasn't Muslims that invaded the Americas, slaughtered the indigenous, and formed a government. It wasn't Jews that invaded the Americas, slaughtered the natives, and formed a government. It was Christians and those beliefs carried over into the government - also provable beyond any reasonable doubt. The president elect cannot take office without making an oath on the Bible and so there really is no separation of church and state. The Biblical beliefs of a chosen race (white) as being superior, along with the god endorsed slavery of, what did god say about them, oh yeah his chosen were not to have sex with "men whose dicks are the size of a donkeys", and all the reset of the Biblical evil that has manifested not just in the government, but the military, not to mention in the good old boys that decided they had a right to invade, slaughter, and take land that didn't belong to them as directed by the Biblical god - some thing they are doing to the middle east now. So, how do you separate government from religion when society plays out the Bible "isms"? And wouldn't it be a big help to everyone, not just Christians, but everyone to see just how Christian the government is? Just because a person leaves Christianity, which in its base form is a system of mind-control, doesn't mean they escaped all the effects of Christianity when those beliefs are so embedded in the status-quo and society (because of the government), which is also a system of mind-control, but I suspect you know that because I see efforts here where people are controlled, I mean guided, into some new system of mind-control which isn't any different than the one they left. Governments govern. Religions govern. No where in my post did "politics" surface. The founders of this forum are military men, at least one was, so how did they keep their military beliefs from manifesting in posts when everything they learned in the military is also from a government that was founded by genocidal Christians and slave masters? The inequality of women and minorities, that can be see everywhere in America, comes from Christian based beliefs - they all come from the Bible. Rules are rules I guess, but attempting to pigeonhole discussions to fit a category is a form of control and censorship. It is division. Divide and conquer. Control what a man knows and what he believes, and you control what he does.
  10. You are right. Speculative material is dangerous. The existence of Jesus is speculative, yet here is ex-christian.net allegedly helping people get over the man. I say allegedly because it would be speculative if I didn't. Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. It was first declared fact, then it was just speculation, then it was proven false, yet so many people lost their lives based on that original statement. What's a person to do? What saith the behavioral scientists that speculate with the lives of people to benefit a few? Christianity factually has lead to the murder and oppression of so many people, along with unimaginable mind-terror, the numbers can't be counted. All that has been, and is still carried out based on the writings of government sponsored behavior scientists so many years ago - and that is provable beyond any doubt. So what's the next behavioral science experiment? When are they going to conduct an 'expert' study and figure out why they (the government-sponsored behavioral scientists) are such cruel and inhuman mind-fuckers?
  11. The heart felt welcome from all of you is overwhelming. You guys must help lots of people. What a joke.
  12. What better proof than congressional records, US CODE books, etc., could exist to prove its a fascist institution (corporation) and not a sovereign government/nation?
  13. I guess we are all tired of being lied to and we are questioning everything. Understandable, I do it too and we are not going to find a source that is 'the history of the world', you have to connect the dots, and you cannot trust mainstream academia. Why do I say that, because in American schools children are not taught the USG went bankrupt and became insolvent in 1933 and lost it sovereignty. The United States is no longer a government, or a sovereign nation, and hasn't been for 86 years. This is how good they cover-up history even though you can find the proof on the government's website. When I have time I will put together the sources for Serapis/Christ in Egypt and how Zeus/Satan eventually became 'Jesus' in 1630. I've been working on it for quite a while but haven't finished filling all the holes.
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