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    Recently got out of Christianity after 20 years. So many inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible. And the Bible also serves as a powerful tool to control the masses for evil leaders.

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  1. Hello Josh, I think it started when read the whole New Testament for the first time. I didn't find any contradictions in the Bible at first but found that most Christians "cherry-pick" bible teachings (pick one teaching over the other) to suit their "antichristian" lifestyle which is ironic. By biblical standards such attitude is hypocrisy, one of the worst offenses a person can make according to the Bible. This makes most christians anti-christ, anti-god, anti-bible which is the biggest irony of all. Then comes the contradictions - if christians cherry-pick teachings then these teachings are probably in conflict / contradiction with one another and true enough, that is the case. The huge esteem of worldly wealth in Proverbs that most christians love vs the very low, evil value put to money by jesus and somewhat held in neutral ground by apostle paul. And many other contradictions - this led to me to the realization that the bible is either NOT divinely inspired, even demonic, or might actually be divinely inspired but serving a different purpose - to test humanity. One thing led to the other if you got false teachings in the bible, what else is false?
  2. You might be surprised that also happens among Christians. There's also something in between where Christians limit the miracles they want to believe. Like they'll only believe miracles about money or finances and health. Anything beyond must be from the devil or occult, witchcraft, etc. Then there's Christians who absolutely don't belive in miracles nor the supernatural / paranormal. They only believe in their salvation, money, health, God.
  3. I think I should also do a 1 on 1 discussion with Christians about their miracles. Talk to them in their "language" so they can be more honest. Maybe they'll tell everything in more private situation.
  4. No problem. I suppose threads like these are not expected to go on for long without the biases tilting towards the side they are all made up stories or someone not telling everything.
  5. I was fortunate enough to have seen through the false teachings in Christianity little by little throughout many years. The money / mammon idolatry in mainstream Christianity led me to find that apostle Paul is an "anti-christ" character - literally preaching stuff that is "anti" or in opposition to the teachings of the christ. And finally to the realization that the Christian religion is a Roman fabrication by none other than the old Roman Empire. When the final blow struck, I was numb to the effect. My mind is still screwed like what happens AFTER we die.
  6. It's a huge problem I think. We could have wasted our whole lives, time and energy for nothing or worse, every thing we ever did served to damage our reality. Not knowing if we ever did.
  7. I never personally experienced any of those financial or relationship or medical miracles I hear in the vast majority of Christian testimonies. So naturally, I'm a skeptic, except in one case I oversaw personally, a relative went from poor to rich in just one year. Incredible life time opportunity from a complete stranger. Their wealth is real, not bogus, not scammers, working real jobs and real careers now. They prayed for such miracle for a very long time and one day it just happened.
  8. Let's leave those stuff out of the discussion, can potentially ruin the thread
  9. Sounds like a good thing if it is true. I only got out of Christianity when I started finding so many errors in the Bible. But my belief in miracles (alternately, paranormal or supernatural) remained. Because my leaving Christianity behind didn't change my experiences with these.
  10. I agree with you, it's just a lot easier to say "supernatural" Than instead say "predictions that follow from a well established model are proven false, so that they require further investigation that could to a rethinking of a model" It's simply a choice of words. And "Supernatural" or "Paranormal" much more quickly conveys the meaning and easily distinguishes it from well-known and accurately modeled phenomenon.
  11. Many of the testimonies I heard were before the internet age. Especially from the senior pastors, many of their "random help" testimonies happened during the 1980's and earlier.
  12. Ironically, there's a lot of Christians who doesn't believe in the supernatural unless it concerns money or health. Their biased beliefs are self-serving. It's one of the things that pushed me to investigate deeper into the religion and eventually find many errors.
  13. Good answer, thanks! When I was still a Christian, it did come to my attention that the vast majority of miracle testimonies are about money / opportunity and medical miracles. Nothing quite remarkable I would say. As even non-believers can also have financial or medical "miracles" and quite likely many of them have logical explanations to it. But God giving people names to help. Leaves me in pieces. Actually, if Christians believe in false truths and those who spread false truths gets these miracles, then their "supernatural provisions" are from malevolent sources.
  14. True for the most part but there are still a few types of miracles I still cannot debunk. Things that seem to involve telepathy, yes, in Christianity.
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