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  1. I think for me the big "wait a second..." moment was when a lay preacher said that the Bible proved evolution was false and said it had to be false or the Bible wasn't reliable. The stuff he said wasn't very convincing - I'd have to believe almost in a soft form of theistic solipsism or the truman show for it to be real, and that seemed odd. The next thing was that God wanted everyone to have a "rich and full life" and that it meant finding work, finding healing, etc. The people who found it stayed at the church, but oddly enough more people would trail out after going through the "church grou
  2. I think there's also an economic argument against a strict belief systems. It seems like the richer the society, the less the belief. Also, the more the education, the less literalist the beliefs. I don't have handy links but I'll try to find them - basically East Germany is one of the most atheist regions in the world, but it is the poorer part of Germany. Other countries have more secularity and are overall more prosperous with less inequality. I think it kind of shows that religion is kind of a crutch to try and get through stressful situations, and is abandoned when it isn't needed. Kind o
  3. At the end of the day, regardless of intent or outcomes, Dawkins definitely got the "discuss" part he asked in the original tweet. At the end of the next day, I think the important thing is that people are trying to do the right thing, and disagree with each other - not because they want to put down other groups (for the most part, obviously there are exceptions to this that should be deplored) - but because they have non-humanitarian disagreements, i.e. it's not about debating the worth of a human, it's more a debate about the identity and meaning of existence (ontological disagreement). I ca
  4. Thanks everyone for the thoughts on this! It's good to know I'm not the only one trying to figure this stuff out.
  5. I think most folks here will approach the question from a logical perspective. For me the biggest reassurance is not being alone. I'd recommend googling Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln's views of religions. Also George Washington (though it will be very limited). Another good one is Andrew Johnson (regardless of what he did as president, his views on religion make for interesting reading). Taft is another good presidential read in religion too. Nixon was very interesting as well. Basically - I'd recommend looking at world leaders or whoever you look up to, find the ones that also struggl
  6. The thing for me is that I'm open to miracles and miraculous events - seems like a probability type thing honestly, and perspective too. Someone else's miracle is my lucky break, etc. The thing that gets me with this is non-Christian miracles. Stories of people giving up drugs w/o religion, stories of people being healed in Hinduism, or having visions of the Gods, etc. Something else that gets me is previous "miracles" that didn't turn out, i.e. the shroud of Turin. That was a huge let down. Also all the hype about Bible codes, prosperity gospel (we see the successes, but how many failures are
  7. Honestly it's pretty hard - the gist of the research I've read is that most presidents were deist leaning, w/ a few notable exceptions - w/ most of the exceptions being non-trinitarian, w/ universalist leanings (John Adams). Even as recent as President Taft were not trinitarian (Taft once wrote "I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus" as the reason he turned down the presidency of I think it was Yale? Because it belonged to a trinitarian denomination at the time). George Washington basically went to church because he had to, but never did communion. He wasn't the type of man to
  8. Hi all, My "testimony" isn't so much about abuse or hatred or any real enmity, it's mostly a matter of waves of change over time. I am not an addict to drugs/alcohol, or suffered any abuse/wrong-doing. It can be said that I am an addict of philosophy, history, and religion. The struggle I've had is that I always want certainty and despise ambiguity. Part of that is wanting to find reason for belief in specifically literalistic/supernatural Christianity. I wasn't raised that way (the only of my parents that expressed supernatural inclinations was my mom, who vaguely wanted to see ev
  9. As a libertarian, I related to this video. Reminds me of the thought behind the non-aggression principle. Or Lao-Tzu's Daoist philosophy of the ideal ruler being one with a very light touch. Applying both to the individual and to society. Even as a thought process, it seems to make sense to me, i.e. decentralization. As long as there is a shared basic set of principles, complex systems can emerge from the "chaos" that benefit everyone, versus if it is imposed from above. I think the hard part is agreeing on a basic set of commonplaces (i.e. shared understandings, almost like the golden rule, t
  10. I'd say worship can be (not is) defined as remembrance + connection + emotional (somber or exuberant). A form of emotional bonding to a perceptual past-state that involves a first, second, or third-person narrative structure that ties the self to that past perception. I.e. "ancestor worship" being more about remembering the dead departed (potentially turning into the more modern version of worship we are familiar with after succeeding generations build elaborate beliefs/rituals around it).
  11. Hi all, Wanted to get everyone's thoughts on charitable giving, ethics, etc. Basically the quandary I encounter is wanting to do good in the world (i.e. effective altruism to some degree). The problem is that it is hard to find good organizations to give to. The other problem is understanding the quantifiable impact these organizations have (fuzzy math is a real problem for most organizations). The other thought is that perhaps the most effective giving is interpersonal, i.e. giving to family and friends, or otherwise doing things within one's circle that do not involve institution
  12. I think the biggest thing I'm trying to cultivate in myself is more imagination, and also more cynicism/pessimism. Also decisiveness. I also am very lazy, and trying to understand the limits of human willpower - essentially the opposite of self-help/confidence boosting books/lectures/etc. I don't buy the hype about "grit, hustling, increasing willpower, positive thinking, growth mindset, etc." Just trying to build a mind that appreciates my mortality, limitations, and the mortality and limitations of others, and to make the most of my go around in this life, and what I can do to make others ha
  13. https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious.html Warning - long read linked. The TL;DR is that sentience is a continuum, and we as individuals should strive to cultivate higher sentience, or at least a more evolved experience of our own, and that this will result in a better outcome for everyone. I like the idea, and I bought his Truthism shirt, but I don't know it will catch on, the way I don't expect "Brights" to catch on (no offense to Truthists or Brightists). As for the historicity and reliability of the religious impulse in humanity,
  14. I think part of the reason I left christianity is because the church didn't live up to the morals it seemed to preach. Some of the most memorable things my mom would say would be "well that part of the bible doesn't matter anymore" or "that's the bad part of the bible." She used to worry I was becoming too religious in high school, and she's afraid of evangelicals being cultists (she's old-school ELCA Lutheran religiously). My parents would've rather I become Jewish like my uncle versus more fundamentalist christianity, and my parents both made it clear I had to learn evolution even though the
  15. I have a contrary perspective that I hope helps in some capacity. I'd say hobbies in general are good, but I'd also be honest and say I have very very few hobbies, and it's gone down with time - I work long hours and I'm just darn tired. Part of my prior christian mindset is that napping and not doing anything is sinful and bad, but I think that's also part of wider culture (USA/politics/religion/philosophy/etc.). If you're tired or don't want to do anything or just want to nap, or watch TV, I think moving past the concept of sinfulness of rest is good. Here's a short story that g
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