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  1. Jeff, So very Sorry to hear of your latest episode Jeff!! I know you love the outdoors and I very much enjoy your photos from the hikes. Is there anywhere in Texas close to you that you can hike? Anyone that can join you? Maybe a local Hiking group? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like when you're out in nature you have less episodes. I hope you're on the mend soon!!! Let me know if there's anything I can do, even if it's just to listen. All the best ♥
  2. Deconversion is much like grieving, it takes a lot of time and a lot to process. Christianity is based on emotion, and convincing ourselves to not only believe blindly, but to attach and invest a whole lot of feelings to those beliefs. I remember when I first realized what I believed so deeply and truly to be a lie. I remember getting physically ill. Just because one knows rationally that the dogma isn't true doesn't mean our feelings necessarily follow suit. The first few Xmas's I was filled with Rage and wrath whenever I heard xmas tunes or any time anyone invoked Jesus's 'birth'. I remember flipping a nut due to the fact my children were required to sing "Christian xmas " songs during their public school holiday concert. I had so much rage that I had been 'duped' that I confronted any and all people in my life with anger and betrayal if they dare brought it up to my face. My feelings of rage ran deep, because my "Love" and "trust" for Christ had run just as deep. I was at the same time studying Judaism, attempting then to "find the one truth", and that actually helped calm down a lot of my anger and rage, and help start new Family Holiday traditions actually. I dragged my poor husband and all 4 of our kids thru my grief of 'losing god'. Sometimes I had envy for believers because they were actually clueless but at peace of mind. Over the years I have come to make Xmas all about my family and friends. Sharing laughs, lots of fattening food and lots of adult beverages! (HA) Every Xmas, we go out for Chinese and a Movie as a family. My kids are all grown now, but we now continue this tradition with our grandchild and sometimes my parents join us as well. We do gifts, no one has to cook, or clean up. It's just a day to enjoy our family and share gifts and laugh. No stress...Just fun. I'm now at the point where I love Xmas music again. I love the holiday, the shopping, the decorating, the party's. I love it all. As far as the Thankful posts on Facebook due to Thanksgiving coming. I think everyone's Facebook is littered with these types of posts. Even if people are invoking their chosen deity, I think a little positive posting of things people are grateful for are a good thing, there needs to be more positive in the world. I'll take the thankful posts anyway over the drama and to much Info ones!! I wish you much peace of mind on your journey, Welcome to Exc!! .
  3. Well you can handle it a few ways. You can, send her back other unsolicited Bible verses, or strike up a conversation about the ones she sent in question. For example If she sent this: Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge. Proverbs 3:7 Fear the Lord. Respond with: 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 1 John 4:8, 18 God is Love. (v.8) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (v.18) Ask her to explain the glaring difference and ask how both can be true if they are both the "Truth" and both from "God"? It might be a little overwhelming for her and she could stop sending you anything all together, or get defensive. Tell her you love her but you're confused and she needs to explain. This forces her to intellectually confront contradictions without argument. I find that people react different when you Ask as opposed to telling them. Even if you already know the answer it gives them a sense of worth. Anyways, best of luck!!
  4. I just updated my post with an edit, Thanks for pointing it out.
  5. LOL @ the topic of Bad drivers. I'm reading some of these and looking like a dope laughing out loud. As I feel opposite to what some of you are saying. Some wisdom from a Person that tailgates, My husband and I are constantly having this debate, as he sounds a lot like some of you here. I don't like to hold people up, I feel that Everyone's time is valuable. I don't like forcing anyone delay or inconvenience, almost to a fault I guess. It is a personal thing with me, Hence I expect the same respect in return. Personally I feel if someone is not going at least 5 MPH past the speed limit, they are driving to slow. I either want you to drive faster, or move over, I don't actually care which one. If you don't like tailgaters, move over, what's the big deal? If you find that more people tailgate then should, it's not them that's the problem, Drive a lil faster. I'm not out to enjoy the scenery, I have places to go and want to spend the least amount of time getting there as possible. Driving is a waste of my time. Truthfully, I'd do much better if I had a instant transporter, but alas I wasn't born in that time period unfortunately. If there is nothing in front of you and a long-ass line of cars behind you.............. PULL OVER, please know just about everyone is most likely cussing in your general direction. I feel sometimes that people get off on holding up the world, because they frankly enjoy being assholes, No, I don't see you at all as the victim if people are waving gestures or yelling something to you. I think you brought it on yourself by attempting to hold up the world, you're a little selfish. Just because you have time to waste doesn't mean everyone else does. I know there's a lot of snowbirds in New England in the summer time, but I can't help but notice some of the worst and slowest drivers are from FLA. People from Maine are also slow drivers as most of the time the Speed-limit is 25 MPH everywhere there except highways. So natrually they believe that to be the case even when the sign say's 45. Stop riding the breaks.. I hate people who keep breaking when there is no reason to, On the highway especially. Speaking of the Highway... There actually is a SLOW lane and a Fast lane. If you're going to be driving in the fast lane, keep up with traffic, if not.. Pull over. Again the people behind aren't flashing their lights to warn for police in the area. If you're going to cut people off, please make sure you're going as fast as they were, Nothing chaps my ass more then some douche Yielding at the stop sign to go as s.......l......o.......w. as possible. That honk you keep hearing isn't someone saying hello. To the person who claims people just need to leave early, Life doesn't always work that way, sometimes,I feel people have NO idea about how schedules work. Having 4 kids who had to be in many different places at the same time, there isn't always enough hours in the day. Maybe the dentist ran over, or a Doctors appointment. Maybe one kids job is making them finish up before allowing them to leave on time, making others late. Then some ass decides to teach a Lesson to the frustrated person behind them and by going even slower. Really? If you're driving and attempting to teach lessons, maybe you ought to be a little less perfect and have a little understanding. Most people who are in a hurry are just trying to make it on time to the next thing. My kids have since grown, but I find myself sympathetic to people in a rush. If I'm holding someone up, I let them pass, who cares? That's how I see it anyway. Please Forgive any and all Spelling and Grammatical Errors, It was not my intention to piss off the Grammar Police. I'll allow my mistakes to stand, so the perfect spellers can feel better about themselves.
  6. When she's upset at you for leaving the faith, toss her some things to think about. Every time deconversion comes up ask her to help you answer some questions. Use the many examples of lopsided Justice, outright wrongs, contradictions and so on that the bible/dogma provides. No fighting, no arguing. Ask the question and tell her when she has a honest answer that makes sense you'll listen. Thing is, question by question you'll be forcing her to think about her beliefs. She will either try to avoid you asking her more hard questions or she will start to leave the dogma herself. A quick question that hits deep: What made Lot Righteous in gods eyes? Was it him offering his virgin daughters up to the mad mob to be raped to save two strangers or getting them both pregnant while he was in a drunken stupor in the cave? Odd that two city's burned including but not limited to innocent children. Terribly unjust that people were sentenced to death by god for supposed sex crimes, even before the laws ( The Commandments) were given, Yet Lots Sex Crimes make him Righteous somehow. Nutz Set new traditions for holidays. Do something with the family that's fun and completely about them. Every Christmas we go out for Chinese, No one has to cook or clean up, we have lots of fun and sometimes go to a movie. I enjoy everything Secular about the Holidays, Easter is filled with Chocolate Bunnies and Eggs, you know all that Istar stuff. We have family get together's and have fun. Your wife might be reluctant at first but who can argue about family time? . As for Drinking, I'm personally not a beer Person. Try a nice mild Wine like White Zinfandel or White Merlot they are sweet and good wines to start with. I also very much enjoy vodka martinis and Cosmos. Nothing wrong with drinking in moderation.
  7. My deepest sympathy's Mike, I'm very sorry for this horrific and devastating loss, and my thoughts are extended to your entire family and friends that this tragedy has touched. .I'm sorry I don't have better or more comforting words. Some of those Facebook things Spam, Sometimes by signing petitions, cards, or even some games publishes things to everyone on your list or chooses random people on your friends list if you don't uncheck a box or something. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's possible. I have a couple of FB that have passed over the years and while their walls are filled with remember whens and I miss you's theirs also those nauseating petitions, games and other spam worthy things. I honestly don't think the particular sender does it on purpose, I think many just don't know to uncheck the box or hit cancel.
  8. I guess you're right. Their imaginary Christ sounds like a petulant child, The imaginary Santa sounds more 'adult' in the lame post... . Seriously ... I can't believe she has six likes with people commenting demanding everyone know the real reason for the season. If only they knew how stupid they appear to the rest of the thinking world.
  9. Uhh... WTF ... From a fundy on my facebook, posted this morning. Adults really post this shit?
  10. I don't think it sounds like a prank at all. When I was a little girl, this same "war" was waged on the Smurfs, it might be before some of you guys time but I remember . Seriously, Papa Smurf was leading all the children away from God, there was a certain number of smurfs that was symbolic (I don't remember now, what that number was or the meaning). But I do remember it consumed a lot of time and discussion. This newspaper clip shows that it's the same scare bs, different show, I'll bet dollars to donuts this women goes to an Ass of God Church. .
  11. This was posted over on FB's Fundies say the darndest things, Thought I would share here... WTF LOL
  12. Exactly Mcdaddy, It completely escapes them just how absurd they sound. I got a chuckle out of it, thought I'd share!
  13. By their contant godspam posts I Know this to all be true.
  14. There must be 20 posts a day by this person. Most of them this stupid. LOL!!! I never post, Never like, never comment and mostly hide the garbage. I'm waiting for the day to be asked if I love the Devil.
  15. You seem to be very focused on people and what they do as opposed to weighing the merits and validity of the religion itself. I find this perplexing. That is why I put up the topic "Word of God?" Since Christianity is based on the Bible, I would think that would be your main concern; in other words, is the basis of Christianity valid? If you don't answer this question, you will be blown all over with the wind. What about those Christians who have done good things? Are you going to base your eternal destiny on what other people do? Or are you going to use reason and logic? What's so perplexing about it? Know them by their fruits is shoved down everyone's throat. Be "in the world, not part of the world' and a whole host of other bumper-sticker, mind numbingly, stupid catch phrases that are constantly fed to the flock. Which by the way, emphasizes that a certain group of people are chosen, saved and of like mind and are supposed to be god-like. Why wouldn't any thinking person at least follow the bare minimum of what they are being taught and apply said teachings to their own surroundings? It is in part what caused me to step back and look and question if the cult I was in really was of "God". Hypocrisy runs rampant when it comes to Christians, why is it wrong to call it like one sees it? I went on a search looking for god, knowing them by their fruits was a warning to me at the start that perhaps I was being taught wrong. The "Fruit" was rotten to the core. Sitting in judgment,pointing fingers and being smug that they were saved and laughed at the thought of others burring in hell. ----------------------------------------------- As far as the Buybull/ teachings go,I basically apply lowly human standards of Justice. If God is not at least as just as either myself or the law, then I consider myself and human law better then him hence, he's not a very good or just god. Example: Sodom and Gomorrah God sends angles looking for a righteous man in the city's of 'sin'. Problem right from the start, the 10 commandments haven't even been given or written yet, so how are the people to know right from wrong without said laws even existing and are killed for breaking no existing laws? Same reasoning and glaring hole in the logic can be used in the Noah story as well as Adam and Eve, anyway I digress. Lot offers up his two daughters to the sex crazed mob to save the 'strangers'. (This is righteous? What thinking father does this? And where in the hell is this ever considered a righteous act? ) Anyway.. The family is saved from the Fire and brimstone for the heinous act of offering up the daughters to be unwilling victims to a mad mob. Lot loses his wife who turns to a pillar of salt for turning around and having sympathy on the people who used to be her neighbors, screaming in agony as they are all being burned alive. I guess this is considered "Justice" as well. The Righteous Lot then does what when he gets to the cave? Has sex with and Impregnates both his daughters. The Ole lame excuse of being drunk so he screwed his kids is somehow accepted without question in the cult. This is called Justice and the man being held up as an example of righteousness is in reality a child molester. Somehow Christians get this story is all about how being gay is evil and wrong. I guess that means they support what lot did as not a crime and still hero worship him. I guess I see why religious cults don't see child rape as a crime, look at their examples. Just about every story in the buybull is like this, Unjust and not right. It doesn't even pass the smell test for lame human justice, how can one hold it up and follow it as something better? This is not a 'god' I want to be like or admire. We can go on and on about the teachings and how incredibly stupid they are when you strip them down to the actual story. Hell is another load of crap... that's just as evil and just as unjust as the Sodom and Gomorrah story. Always question everything.. Best of luck on your journey AntiXi
  16. I hide most of this persons posts, Here's a sample of why I hide them ...
  17. Great to see you too R.S!! Hope all is well. This is appalling!!!!! Anyhow, I fixed it up a little, you know, for us Ex-C'ers. Thanks for sharing this disturbing piece of tripe! Your breakdown was hilarious , Thankyou!! Great read!!
  18. You have no idea how badly I want to point out; eggs=Life is a Pagan thing... Anyway.. Here's the post, I removed the name
  19. Who can control anyone Legion? Temper who? Why do you feel the need to put a leash on anyone here? Are differing opinions so offensives to you that they must be "tempered" to help you cope with your own opinions? You remind me of Christians who blame the godless for all their problems. Well if it wasn't for those evil atheists and godless heathens, we'd have a perfect world, I wish they'd all crawl off and die and slow painful death. I hate them for taking Christmas from me, I hate them for trying to take God from me.... ECT. As we all know, no one takes Christmas or god from anyone, the war is in their own minds and in their own persecution complex so they can see themselves as some Saviour/fighter for the greater good. This faux war on the left you have is no different. Are there extremists? Yes That's not to say that everyone is an extremist, bent on taking "Freedom" from you. Get rid of all the Leftists in the world and you're still going to be left with all your own insecurity's. Live and let live for godsakes. Stop viewing every aspect of your life as left vs right. Christ, can't you just accept people for who they are and who they aren't? So what if people don't stand around and validate all of YOUR opinions. Being a rugged individual is as American as apple pie, embrace it, and walk proud. You can't blame the left anymore then I can blame all the Christians for all that's wrong in the world. There are "Christians" I love, there are some I loath. Start seeing people past the box you put them in. If they are dicks, then they are dicks not because they are left, right, atheist or Christian, They are just dicks because that's who they choose to be. Not everything that goes wrong in the world or in life is due to leftists, sometimes it's just life that happens.
  20. Fears are instilled in Christians like breathing. They are taught to fear instead of thinking for themselves. They are taught to have self doubt, self loathing, and the cults also manipulate and use peoples insecurity's. The Cults believe people are nothing but trash (or dirty rags as they say) without their dogma. They have no problem spreading around the concocted "disease" of dark despair and gloom ready to hand over their ready handy medicine of salvation. Human nature is to believe the worst in our own-selves. To focus on our failures rather then our accomplishments. Churches know this and use this tool and reinforce this already built in belief to keep the people under their power. Religion is all "feelings" based, thinking is not allowed or required. It's all blind faith. Every single aspect of it is based on "Feelings" All one must do is give up all thinking, all questioning, all reason, and blindly believe. Anything that goes against the blind belief is taught as Satan's tools, Evil human nature and/or a rebellious spirit against Christ.. et al. The Dogma can not sustain itself on anything BUT fears. They are full of contradictions and impossible goals that no person will ever reach. Because people never reach these impossible goals, they feel guilt, failure, self-loathing, regret, embarrassment, fear and so on. Leaders tell people to never question god.... , but in the same breath turn around and tell them to seek God. A simple question posed, How can one find answers if no questions are allowed? People are forced to put away all questions of doubt hence they can't see the illogical mess they are required to live by to become a 'true' ™ Follower. They tell people to know one's by their fruits, even tho they themselves are full of rotten fruit. They tell people that they are in the world, not part of the world, but yet to go out into the world and preach, even tho you're suppose to not tempt faith by surrounding yourself with anything that isn't of God. Nearly everything is a contradiction, and people leaving the dogma know they are confused, and attribute it to lack of faith, instead of questioning if their faith itself has any sense or truth to it. . In order to maintain control over the people, they use fear. The fear of the rapture, end times, are also tools used to keep the sheep in line. They proudly also call the church sheep, and the sheep wear it as a badge of honor. If you get a flat tire, it's never just life, it's a sign, a punishment, a consequence. The MINDSET pushed is: You are the blame of everything wrong in your life, and anything that goes good, God must be given the glory. Unknowing believers walk a tightrope and attempt to lead perfect lives because of this unreasonable mindset, they do everything within their power to stay on the rope, because they don't want harm to come to them or their family's, then when life happens they are told it's because they sinned some how. (either with thought or deed) Which leads to more negative feelings of never measuring up to 'gods ' impossible standards. Which just starts the cycle all over again. Think about it, If someones in an accident and are rushed to the hospital and saved, God gets 100% of the glory, The Dr's, ambulance, and modern medicine is almost never acknowledged during the 'testimonial'. It is like that in every aspect of their mind-fog. Fears are programed for a reason, thinking people are not sheep. Questioning doctrine or 'doubting' is labeled a sin in the cults world. This keeps people in the cult for fear of their immortal soul and committing sins against god. Sheep are to paralyzed to think about what's not approved, hence they bury their heads in the sand by doing whatever asked of them like the humble servant they are demanded to be. Nothing is questioned, it's just done with a yes my lord, anything you ask my lord. Anything to prove my self worth my lord, anything to save my life my lord. Believers are to busy attempting to be perfect, and to busy to even acknowledge anyone else other then the people that need "SAVING".. near every thought is consumed about if gods happy with them or not. The best way to over come fear, is to face your fears. This is coming from someone who's been diagnosed with Panic Disorder. For me, I reason my way out of my emotions. I don't trust my own emotions because I freak out to much. The Damage that the cult has done to my emotional state will always be a part of who I am. I'm probably always going to think someone I love is going to be hurt or maimed. I'm probably always going to worry and fret the "What If's" There was a time where the Fear controlled my life, there came a time where I just couldn't live that way anymore and I got a handle on my fear. Medication helped it was a long long LONG road, but today I'm off it. I overcame it, it's scary, dark and going against everything I was ever taught, but using reason helped me have my own questions answered. I was raised as an extremist Pentecostal in the Assembly of God Church/school. Start with the small things like, Okay God, I'm here I need to find you. How do I know if the religion I practice is right? If God gave his life to cover all sin, Why is there still sin? Why is Christ not dead? Was the sacrifice really a sacrifice if he only died for 3 days and came back? On the scale of eternity, it doesn't seem like anything. Why is there injustice in the buybull if God is all about 100% about whats right,Justice and love? Why does blind belief trump deeds? Do what the Christians tell you to do. Seek out the "Truth" and "Know" them by their fruits. These two verses gave me drive to "Seek" out god, it also helped me deprogram. Use your own moral compass, If something doesn't smell right on the justice level, there can only be two conclusions. God is not a Just god, or he is just (if he at all exists) and the Buybull story's are Crap. Either way, I personally could never follow a god that didn't have at least my mere human level of Justice.
  21. Hi and welcome to Ex-C!! Those 'poor' children have strong mother! Give some credit to yourself for standing up for yourself and your children, despite the backlash you're receiving. The Church pitbulls are behaving like bully's and attempting to peer pressure you to their gang mentality by behaving like high school snarky mean girls. You standing strong against that is the best example you can give to your children. I'm also a mother of 4. While my children are now grown, I had the same struggle when they were growing up. I too had to undo all the damage I thought was true. The best thing to do is be straight forward and honest. Explain how you were brainwashed. There is noting wrong with admitting your human and mislead by people you trusted. It's a lesson learned. We strive for the best and miss the mark, so what, such is life . Show them to use their reason and logic, and encourage them to 'seek' the truth on their own, don't be afraid to challenge blind belief. When they come to you with a what if or might be, answer it the best you can. NO one has all the answers, the best we can do is look for them. Of course it all depends on age appropriate things, however I find that the Church passes around horrific evil that is far passes PG 13 level for all ages. How I dealt with the concept of With Hell for example was like this. Give the kids a scenario. If a robber walks into an innocent persons house and says, your money or your life, does the person give the money freely? Talk about that with them, talk about the injustice of the concept. The person is a victim of several crimes by a criminal with the power to take their life or their money. They went into their home, violated their personal space, took money that they earned, terrorized them with the threat of death and so on. Break it down to how its wrong on so many levels. Ask where "Free will" comes into the story by the victim. Is there really any Free will in this scenario? I asked my kids if there was any reason that they could think of the the innocent person who was robbed could be viewed as giving the money freely, and the robber could be called hero. In the end it's all about Justice right? The answer of course is no for obvious reasons. The money would be given under duress and not freely, The concept of Hell is gun to the head, your blind belief or your mortal soul instead of the money. How can a fair and just god behave like a criminal if he is nothing but love and nothing of evil? Laying things out to attempt to rationally remove the fear does wonders for kids, it also helps them on their critical thinking skills. I also used the Egyptians. Talk about Greek and Roman mythology. The more one knows it the more they see the parallels between that and Christianity. Kids laugh at the thought of the under world protected by a Dog like Human who has a boat on the river styxs and takes you to the after life, the concept of hell is much the same way. It's a story passed down just like the underworld was passed down to the Egyptians. Why is one absurd to believe and the other real possibility? What's the difference between the two? Put things in perspective, give them other ways to look things using their own judgment and thinking skills. I feel that children (and adults ) need to be armed with knowledge, for every buybull verse that's said to you in a condescending tone by the Church pitbulls, Hand one back with a smile. Shove their BS back in their face and let them sit with it. Don't allow them to bully you or your kids. Christians are among the most intolerant, hurtful people. Personally I just about removed nearly all fundys from my life,a few from my childhood I'm friends with on Facebook but they have no other interaction with my life by my own choosing. They are not healthy to be around, To much negativity, anger and evil wished on to people not like them. I find it personally offensive how much they hate. Some Examples of the Buybull verses Christians will never preach at you and ignore completely: Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. You can get some eye opening insight Here for starters: http://www.evilbible.com/ Best of luck, hope this helps a little..
  22. Maybe in a black and white world that's what happens, but in real world earth it could be after a long season of back breaking work of sowing potatoes... You have a bad frost, a swarm of insects, or a massive flood, and you end up with no potatoes. Is the farmer to blame in your view? Is Justice served to the farmer and the family?
  23. I always like the ones where god supplied a need and gave food/ money. Gawd always got the thanks, and the praise while the people that actually helped never did.
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