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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
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  1. Depends how one is trying to understand. http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-apprehension-and-comprehension/ You already know the answer to that. Sure. You could use that word to describe yourself.
  2. I don't care for the term supernatural, and I don't think I would agree with it. It suggests magic, like some otherworldly sphere of reality of super-beings, outside this reality. I don't accept that. The transcendent is simply a matter of awareness in this reality, to the nature of what this reality actually is. This is an important distinction to make. To say what we see with the five senses, what we can measure and examine as objects is what qualifies as "natural", is only a perception of reality. And subsequently anything that seems outside that understanding is seen as supernatural.
  3. I appreciate this. For me, I think part of it is that on one level, my intellect just won't quit. I want to know the answers, I want to solve it. That's the nature of who I am, it's why I'm an academic. But the musician and the mystic are equally strong in me, and want to know in their own way. I'm in an odd position, I suppose. Probably not as odd as you suppose. I have some thoughts to share with this which may hopefully help. That intellectual side, that analytical, systematic thinker in us is actually enhanced and made stronger by developing the non-rational feeling-intuitive awareness p
  4. The illusion is the separate self. The illusory world sees God or Godhead as wholly other. It is like saying atoms are 'out there', whereas we are atoms. But we don't live seeing ourselves as atoms, do we? On the spiritual level, through meditation and developing constant awareness, you experience yourself and all that is beyond the illusion of separation and see that we are Godhead, we are the Ground of Being, the Source, of everything that is. We are Emptiness, and form. We are God incarnate. To know that of ourselves, the nature of who and what we are, is to break that illusion of sepa
  5. Of course Godhead exists. But knowing your ego is not knowing Godhead beyond the ego. Of course it emanates from ourselves. It emanates from everything. All you are doing is moving beyond the ego to know your Self. To know you are God. But if we're stuck in the ego, God is not known to us. To know yourself is to know God. To know God is to know yourself. You don't manufacture God. You are God. You manufacture the separation. The goal is to unveil yourself. To remove the illusion of separateness. Then, once that is known, you know yourself in the flesh. It truly is incarnational awareness, to p
  6. I think an important point in this is that it doesn't matter what the object is. Ritual, creating sacred space, etc., transcends rational understandings. It engages one on a deeper level. So the whole thing about baggage, which I was planning to get to in a response, is pretty much answered in this. What you imbue the object with is an aspect of yourself you are trying to engage. Whenever you pick up that object, create ritual space, sound the bell, you become almost instantly taken to that place. This is why it is taught to treat all ritual objects with respect and reverence. They need to be
  7. Yes, my next response to the rest of it was going to illuminate this. I'll still touch on it later as I have time, as for one thing I very much relate to it in myself and responding to it reinforces my own understanding of myself. Later....
  8. Pause for a second and drop the word God from this. Are you a separate being from the world? If so, how? In what ways? One can, and should argue that everyone can experience God no matter what age or stage of development. It is not a matter of sophisticated thought that affords someone this. An infant or a child of five can, and does experience God. A person from 10,000 years ago could and did experience God. A mythic concrete-literal believer can experience God. But each of these people will have a different interpretation of what that is, how that appears to them. To the ethnocentric
  9. I meditated this evening and came back on to find this, delighted. Yes, please do, I am all ears! I'll pick up on this point I suppose to try to illustrate further what I see is the marked difference. I really think the terms exoteric and esoteric and that watershed point where the water flows into one direction or the other captures this. The purely exoteric approach sees these things as realities outside themselves. If the nature of the words are in fact esoteric, about transforming and transcending one's own interior landscapes, they are not going to be understood. They will be reinterp
  10. This would take some time to lay it all out. I don't think most people understand what mystical realization actually is. If I had to summarize what I see their understanding is is that the mystical is some sort of magical reality that exists as some sort of objective truth that must be taken on faith. In other words, its just something outside their own personal apprehension, and all manner of magical thinking about it is created to be believed in by them. There is little to no reality to it beyond their experience of the belief itself. Hence why the skeptic calls the mystical "woo", because o
  11. To try to put some time frame for myself, it's ongoing. But the feeling uneasy part of it passed pretty quickly. A couple months or less, I guess? I don't know. I guess I trusted the process and wasn't too concerned about jumping back into nonsense. That would be like saying I'm worried I might become 16 again, but I suppose there were moments of "what the hell is this!?" at first. Now I get it.
  12. I very much envy this. How long after deconversion did it take you to reach this point? I think the real time frame would be from the time I started meditating and really diving into the source of that spirituality I've always felt. That started almost exactly 3 years ago. My first meditation journal entry is dated Oct 10, 2011. I had started meditation a couple weeks before starting a journal. So it was really during that I came face to face with my Christian past practices and came to a whole new understanding through that exposure that I didn't really see for the previous 7 years trying
  13. There's a verse in the Bible where Jesus says the kingdom of God is within you. Interestingly all the modern translations make that say "amongst" you, where there is no actual language support for that translation. It is simply because of a theological translation, because as so many Christians I've spoke to are utterly befuddled how that is possible! How can it be in heaven and in you at the same time, understanding heaven as a literal 'place'. It simply does not enter into their own self-awareness. It is seen as a literal, concrete reality, even though it's 'spiritual' in nature, which I can
  14. Just a quick response. This is all beautifully put, but the part about not striving really connects with me today. To borrow a phrase from Alan Watts, it's like beating a drum in search of a fugitive. To do it right is like playing music; you can't do it if you try. It's wu wei, doing-not doing. It's then that you're in the flow, and nothing has to make sense, because everything is *right*. Stop looking, and you will find it. I need to get back to trusting myself more in this area. This is why I believe that meditation on a daily basis, where you enter into this state of being informs th
  15. There are truths in this, but I think it can be refined a little. God does represent the goal, a return to Source that we strive towards as it were, and a great deal is unmasked within us through that effort which of course has its benefits and rewards. It is also true that one can never achieve God. But one can never achieve what you already are, you simply come to a place where you realize it. At which point God does cease to be God to us as the goal, but becomes us and we God. It is not that there is no God anymore, but that yourself and God are no longer subject and object, but the very sa
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