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  1. ToHellWithMe

    What now?

    That makes sense. I mean, if there's a god, I'm sure he knows how this goes. A world without evidence for god, a world where lying to the congregation can make you profit -> it's only reasonable that people reject the form in which god is marketed. If god doesn't understand the reality of that, he isn't much of a god. If they ask you to pray together with them, I see not much harm in doing so, unless it's about them asserting their control over you or something disrespectful like that. Besides, so what if it's a weak moment for you and that's why you might cave in? Then that's the reason you prayed, not your faith.
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    Update left church

    I like the way you think. Such calm, logical justice in that decision. I hope your husband is sensible enough to appreciate it as well. Not sure what you're worried about here. Confusion is inevitable in life. People are equipped to deal with it. Kids are smarter than they let on and in any case they're very adaptable. Besides, if there's a doubter as near them as you are, it's not going to be an enormous challenge, as the fear of questioning things is primarily the fear of social consequences. In any case I wouldn't push it. Even secular kids might have their own patterns of magical thinking, and even if it shouldn't be reinforced with praise, I don't feel like it should be opposed. But that's just my preference.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    I mean in the ongoing culture war. JBP offers criticism of the progressive dogma that anyone can understand. There probably isn't a single academic making competitive arguments, in good faith and layman terms, against what Peterson is both popular for and hated for. Yet, many of them are quick to denounce Peterson and many other anti-SJW's. Based on what? Where are the counter-arguments regarding the relevant stuff? That is freedom of speech, mollycoddling university students, presumption of innocence, due process, etc. Where does anyone address anti-SJW arguments on those topics?
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    God cannot be judged by human standards

    You cannot really trump them without making up similar lies. On the other hand, if you accuse them of making things up, the question is why do you argue with someone who isn't acting in good faith? You have to step above that. Like, plead on meta level: "don't you see how that's a bit unfair?" Of course there are cards to play against that as well. Etc, etc. Just give up and simply state your own beliefs. Who says you have to defend them? Just state them.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    I'm actually the same and the answer should be obvious. If a lofty title is what the title-worshippers require, then why not point out someone with such title who still disagrees with them? Secondly, JBP is obviously smart and useful, so why not take advantage of his thoughts and popularity? If most people with big titles are self-important, arrogant assholes who refuse to address common-sense criticism, it's then pretty interesting to see someone with a big title who isn't quite like that. Makes one wonder that perhaps the others stay within their ivory towers because they have to take refuge there.
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    Jordan Peterson-Why I don't go to Church

    I've never heard that story before. JBP shot up to fame because of his refusal to use 'them', 'ze/zir' or 'xe/xir' despite what was at the time probably intended to be put in effect as a legal obligation to do so. I don't recall him being against transgenderism in general, or against usage of preferred pronoun as long as it is either he or she. Anti-SJW's aren't generally as unreasonable or regressive as you paint them as. There are even transgendered people among them. Neither do JBP's fans seem cynical to me. They're mostly young people who still have the capacity to idolize someone. He is a professor of psychology. Ph. D. That means he does have a toolset to interpret various things involving human behaviour. I'll just quote JBP: "I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief."
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    Stop right there. Why suppose God is Creator? This looks like a 'personal connection' kind of topic.
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    Even if there's a god, it's not like they can really know what are the performative steps you have to take to form a connection to god. Perhaps they're innocent and it's simple for them, but for a more mature and worldly mind twisted enough to comprehend scheming, the same steps simply won't take you there.
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    Why do I have to endre this crap

    SB does need to understand that his fickle personality can annoy others. If he wants to be the way he is, he has to pay the price. You want to be you but people might dislike the real you. They have right to that. Your burden is yours to carry. Don't expect sympathy. I know I have very little to give. b) It's just a picture. It can only ruin you if you accompany it by whining about it on top of all.
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    There's something pitiful and endearing about innocent, self-centered neediness, but when it's a grown adult doing it, it's annoying. It's not even innocent because she's making it sound like she's asking it for the children, definitely not herself. The next level would be to make the kids do the fundraising, door-to-door or something. Then you'd have to refuse the kids themselves and face their disappointment, lol.
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    Well, it's not like you owe her the truth or even a solid reason. Just treat her as target practice.
  12. ToHellWithMe

    Need to Rant

    Anger may disappear or change into something else when you ascertain their motives. Acting as if they know all the answers can be just a way to assert authority. It's not that they necessarily care much for what they argue, they simply hold on to the positions that have proved useful in dealing with people who try to reason with them in good faith.
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    Mythology sounds better. Don't hand them that.
  14. ToHellWithMe

    Guilt over leaving

    It is perfectly reasonable but it's probably impossible. If you were a prospective new member they just might cut you some slack at first. But you know it's different when it's someone already established. On some level they know how it all might just be wishful thinking. That is probably something most of them have to deny and not face. Hence, someone bringing into daylight what they are afraid of is a threat. Come out when you are ready to threaten them. That is, when you no longer stand to lose too much. Or never come out. I went the unenthusiasm route, where I simply said "nah, I don't wanna go to church, it's boring" etc. That didn't enrage my parents, only made them frustrated and helpless.
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    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    It's a position so weak it's kind of a defense in itself. Like why even bother engaging?