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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
    no subjective or objective experience of one yet
  1. a few years ago this guy spoke at a ceationist event, (I should search the Net see if I can find the transcripts again.) A fellow creationist worte a report on it, saying how loony this guy was and how embaressed he was that Marshall Hall was even allowed to give a presentation. LoL
  2. The Earth Is Not Moving Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian myths. www.fixedearth.com/
  3. Neal DOnald Walsh is by far my favorite spiritual new age author, I really liked his first few books, then I was really dissapointed after he started to give in to the typical new age magical mumbo jumbo after it seems like he ran out of things to write about. Its like he let his ego and $$$ get in the way and he to get a messiah complex., after his first few books sold well, he couldnt leave well enough alone.. and started to write crazy things about aliens, Ufos, prophecys, auras, indigo children, and things that contradict science. His new movie "Indigo" sucked ass and should be rated as the worst movie ever made. His first ' COnversations with GOd" is by far my favorite, and I have framed on my wall all the concepts he outlined. Although the concepts themselves are not new, he was able to expain them from the perspective of an exchristian, with a witty style. Many of the same concepts are found in " A course for Miracles" cult. Ill write down some of the concepts that had a big impact on my life some of these you got to read a couple time to get the meaning...... In the absence of that which you are not, that which you are, is not. God needs nothing, therefore requires nothing from us. All you see in your world is the outcome of your idea about it. What you resist, persists Your purpose in life is to decide and to declare, to express and to experience Who You Really Are To want something is to push it away from you. Its never not Now. Passion is not expectation, and expectation is not passion. What you fear, you attract.
  4. CHRISTIANS, ( where art thou?, nevermind) At the end of TIme, when all humans are dead and in heaven or hell. How can the christian version of Reality be considered ultimaly Good and/or sucessfull? How many more people are in Hell than Heaven? What is the sum total of Suffering vs. the sum total of Non-Suffering? Is 1 person in Heaven for every 10 people in Hell? Which would mean Gods Cosmic Experiement was a huge Failer? If your in Heaven, how could you be happy, knowing so many defective humanoids are buring in the Cosmic Trash Heap? Does human suffering mean nothing to you? It would have been better for GOD not to have even have created the human race. .This is how dietys are defined:God is understood to do GOOD things, Satan is understood to do Bad things. If you think it is a GOOD thing, that you are in Heaven, at the price of 10 other defective humans in Hell, then you are a completely selfish bastard. It is better none of us even existed in the first place. Obviously God knew how it would turn out in the End. Imagine one person in Hell suffering for 1000 trillion years, will have expereinced more suffering than all the humans combined thruout earth history, Could Satan cause as much total suffering as GOd? Therefore: Your Christian version of God, is SATAN. because God is understood to to Good Things, SATAN is understood to do Bad things. Christians would not be Christians if they understood that becoming a Christian ment nothing but Bad things would happen. No God is understood ( by human standard of morality) to do Good Things,,, the Devil is understood to do Bad Things... thus the DEvil is determined to be Bad, GOd is determined to be Good. If we humans never determined what is good and what is bad, then we would never know if we were worshiping the Devil. I wonder how many Azteks over so many hundreds of years ever questioned the morality of human sacrifice? Or did they just assume it was GOOD by default, since human sacrifice was commanded by their diety? %99.9 of modern humans all agree human sacrifice is Bad Go ahead and feel an uncomfortable emotional response, or toss it aside as Blasphemy its what seperates us from the animals, an internal sense of Morality.
  5. Hi Amanda, I am not picking on you. Just this quote. Because I like brain teasers and Im a little drunk too. I dont really know the point of this thread. I am just picking your brain. Imagine this truth, which seems to contradict. look at a rock, is it still and not moving? You could say yes, this rock is silent and not moving at all... is this Truth? Suppose your standing in the center of the MilkyWay, you would see the rock moving at 30,000 MPH.. this is also Truth look at the rock again from an atomic point of view: the rock is accually moving/ vibrating at the speed of light. So you could say also this is Truth. Is the rock solid? You hit it with your fist and determine yes, it is solid. Is the rock solid from a quantum point of view? No, cuz your fist-electron shells, are repeling against the rocks electrons shells, which is 99.999999% empty space. is it a contradicting Truth?
  6. Nuns in Hell! great band name. They can keep the all the priests company.. and acountable in their celibacy.... as long as the nuns dont dress up like choir boys!
  7. thought I would share these links, most are non bias, mostly academic, most even run by christians themselves. Just a buttload of links to the best sourses to christian subject matter I have found in the past 5 years. anybody care to contribute and share? http://www.avesta.org/avesta.html Zorasterian Archives & library http://www.b17.com/family/lwp/things/anted...king_lists.html Sumerian King Lists ( before Flood) http://www.bibleinterp.com/index.htm Lastest news on biblical archeology. Awesome site for the latest on archeology and biblical study news ntcanon.org Everything New test. canon related, awesome graphs and primary source material http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm thousands of holy books from all religions, including the entire Talmud, gnostic, dead sea scroll, apocraphal, Nag library http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Resources/Texts/index.html On-Line Primary Literature Related to ancient Near Eastern religions, Hellenistic Mediterranian religions and Biblical Study http://www.bibleorigins.net/OldTestament.html anthropological perspective of origins http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/ The Online Medieval and Classical Library (OMACL) is a collection of some of the most important literary works of ( Christian) Classical and Medieval civilization http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/index.html Entire Sumerian library from Oxford, Including all of Gilgamesh
  8. kick ass, how cool is it to realize all of our Elements were produced by collapsing and exploding layers&shells of a supernova star? Who says Science is boring and takes the spiritual fun out of Reality? Imagine at one time in the past, all of the Carbon of Humanity was created in a single explosive event.
  9. Great question, always the the question of who-is-God that gives me a life long interest in religion and philosophy. I dont know why so many christians kind of ignore the Old Testament, since they kind of view the Old Testament as old news because supposedly Jesus came and changed everything. At the same time supposedly God stays the same forever, so if the Old Testament records Gods direct interaction with Man, then the Old Testament has buttloads of insight into Gods Character, or who-God-is. The first thing I notice is Jesus and biblegod are two completely seperate individuals. I would even go so far to say Jesus is Anti-bibleGod. Because I see absolutely no similarities between the two personalities, and total contradiction between the two. I submit the "Blessing and Curses" bible chapters to illustrate Gods personality. One chapter was all the Blessings that God would give the Hebrews and Isreal on the condition they followed his Jewish Law, the next chapter outlined all the curses he would give the people if they failed to meet his exspectations. From the perspective of these bible chapters, I can make the claim that the Jews did not serve biblegod because of some sense of Love, they followed God because of FEAR of Punishment. No different than any other primitive tribal deity of the time period, who gave sacrifices to the gods to keep from gettting cursed, or to keep the crops fertile and the cattle fat. enough of my blabbering on . here are the Blessings & Curses , from Gods own mouth he tells us we will eat the flesh of our own children. yummy. Can someone tell me where the LOVE is?????? ( Deuteronomy 28 Blessings for Obedience 1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God: 3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country. 4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. 5 Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed. 6 You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out. 7 The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven. 8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you. 9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in his ways. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you. 11 The LORD will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you. 12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. 14 Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them. Curses for Disobedience 15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: 16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. 17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed. 18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. 19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out. 20 The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. [a] 21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed. 25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind man in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you. 30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and ravish her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head. 36 The LORD will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your fathers. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror and an object of scorn and ridicule to all the nations where the LORD will drive you. 38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land. 43 The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, but you will be the tail. 45 All these curses will come upon you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the LORD sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you. 49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your God is giving you. 53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities. 58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the LORD your God- 59 the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The LORD will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the LORD your God. 63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess. 64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, "If only it were evening!" and in the evening, "If only it were morning!"-because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you. ( By the way Christians, this is a great passage illustrating that the concept of SATAN-who-does-Bad-things did not exist in the Old Testament. Accourding to the OT GOd does both Good and Bad things, as a TRUE MONOTHEISTIC Faith should beleive. So why do you beleive in the heretical concept of SATAN? Are you calling God Satan by blaming Satan for all the bad things that happen? Are you a POLYTHEIST? Think about it.)
  10. I wrote a letter once to a old church friend of mine, who is a Proffessor at a theological seminary,, PHD, expert on Hebrew, Greek, Old test. and textual criticism, and deeply involved in bible translation organizations and societies. He is one of the few biblical scholars who take the ultra fundy position for Southern Baptist Orgs and such. anyway I once wrote a 10 page letter to him, mostly dealing with the Old Testament, mostly involving trnaslation errors and such, wierd Old Test laws., Gods behaviour in the OLd Test. and so forth,. I thought he would be interested in communicating since we were friends, even almost married my sister about 15 years ago. Yea he wrote back a few paragraphs telling me that I as a human, have absolulty no right to question Gods Word. If I dont like it, its because I dont understand it. Who are we to question the Mystery of GOd ( concerning Gods Old Test ament behaviour,)? Sad to say he has never returned my repeated emails over the past ten years, and he cut off all communication with me in the past 10 years. even though I know all his current emails cuz they are posted all over the internet with his research papers. I thought this guy, who was a friend in high school, would be at least be interested in the subject matter, but even he, who is considered a biblical expert is AFRAID to expose himself to critical opinion of the bible. when I read his published works, they are all self important opinions on how evil and inaccurate popular bible translations are, how most bible translations pervert the Word of GOd... blah blah blah, anyway he is a total snob now. I see him once every few years at some social event like a wedding and he avoids me at all costs, while he finds fellow fundys to debate about stupid theology like OSAS or baptism. what a pussy jackass.
  11. I think Satan in the CRON verse, is a mistranslation from the word "advesary"(= Gods anger).. .. from the Greek LXX manuscript, Cuz its aint int the Hebrew Mess. text if I rememeber. IT is interesting isnt it , after the babylonian exile, all of the sudden the Advesary and God become two different entities ( example Job), even though still Satan was seen a buddy- servant to do gods work. And it just so happens that Zorastorism also employs a dualistic black/white good/evil satan/god world view that the jews lacked before they were exiled...hmmmm.. very interesting, and given the fact that Jesuses hellenized jewish culture also had such concepts. Funny how Islam and Jews accuse Christianity of being polytheistic all because of the Satan/God thing. I have given up trying to talk to christians about this, they think its a boring topic, or they just dont educated themselves about this stuff. Its too complicated. not to say I am some super smart guy, but I have yet to meet a single christian who even finds this topic worth learning about.
  12. Rememeber the Texas woman who drowned all her kids a few years ago? The moment I heard she was a christian, before the media could figure out a motive, I told my wife she killed her children because she didnt want any of them to go to hell. She took Christian theology to its most logical conclusion. She killed her kids because she LOVED her kids. She was the martyr, making the sacrifice for the eternal well being of her children. The ultimate demonstration of parental love. Now this woman, who I guess is on death row for the rest of her life, she can have the satisfaction of knowing at least all her kids will be together forever in eternal bliss, while sacrificing her own uncertian eternal destination. a few weeks later the motive for the murders was released and I was right on. Take the logic one step further, why are you not pro choise? Isnt the most loving thing you can do is too abort all your children? Wouldnt it be better to abort all your children. why risk the eternal family seperation? chances are you will have children who will deconvert or reject christianity. Assure that your beloved family will be together forever in happiness and kill them all before the reach the Age of Accountability. Do you love your kids enough to make this sacrifice? So christians... what are your thoughts on this?
  13. What is Unconditional Love? I have always placed high value on the spiritual concept of Unconditional Love. something I always preached about while a christian. And a huge reason why I deconverted. It is probably about the only concept in my life I hold as Sacred. ( and most likely too idealistic) While Unconditional Love is a term used to describe Gods Love, I am convinced the doctrine of Hell redefines and destroys this concept of Love into regular old human concepts of conditional love. Since we humans all learn the meaning of what-love-is from our parents, or other people who live the example of love... thus I feel this limited-love attribute of GOd (as defined by the existence of hell..) . is evidence of a anthropomorphical attribute applied to a "god-created-in-mans-image" A great example of Gods limited love is the Blessing & Curse given to the Isrealites.. If they did not follow the Law given to Moses, the curses describe starvation, eating your own kids, death, disease, plauge and so forth. Which brings up another question...... Did the Jews follow God & Law because they loved God or because they were scared to death of Gods Wrath? The examples of Aarons Sons being burned to a crisp for screwing up a Incence Ritual ( the first time GOd struck out against his own people) terrified the Isrealites and ever since then they seemed in fear rather than following God out of personal feelings of Love and Gratitude. Aaron is described as being horrified his two oldest sons were killed, and Moses seemed to have changed his demeaner towards God ever after into someone who needs to tread lightly and walk on egg shells around God, lest his anger against his own people be demonstrated again, which did happen alot, If I rememebr right I think 20,000 people died in one episode before Moses and Aarron interveined by burning incence in the crowd, which calmed Gods Anger down. Ever seen the move, " Meet the Fockers"? Rememebr Dustin Hoffman, the all accepting touchy feely emotional father-love figure who had a shrine of his sons ho-hum acheivements, honorable mention trophys and so forth? Compare that father-love figure to Robert Deneiro, who was the critical hard ass and way too high exspectations that no one could achieve. Is this a good analogy and contrast to the two seperate definitions of What-Love-Is?
  14. heloo Lanakila, its me again your arch nemises, Reusablepheonix, mr.humansoul, and now Ben borg again. ahh I rememebr those days at worthyforums, you hated my guts, I think mostly because I was on webTV and my infrared keyboard never worked right, which probably convinced every one I was on drugs or something. I am sure LOL. but even when you were still fundy, I could always see that part of you that was educated, kind and tolerant, and most of all a seeker of truth. even while i offended you non stop with my obbsessive posting of offensive topics. LOL heehee.
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