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About Ouroboros

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    Innominatus, 3/4 Curmudgeon, arrogant übermench bully
  • Birthday 07/31/1965

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    Married. 5 kids. 3 dogs. Christian 1972-2002. Agnostic Atheist 2002-2012. Naturalistic Pantheist 2012-now.

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  1. I am very intrigued by your conception of pragmatheism. I am a theistic believer, however, I find religious devotion, at least in an outward sense, frustrating and depressing. Activities like prayer and temple-worship seem repulsive to me, not obscene but pointless. I am also intrigued by your admission that you used to be an apatheist, which is also a relatively new concept to me. Personally, although I believe that a higher spiritual dimension exists like I believe in the nose on my face, and accept the label God as a name for it, I find the divine extremely mysterious and obscure, so much so that religious activities like prayer and worship make no sense to me. Slowly I have come to believe that some sort of "compassionate secularism" is really the most fulfilling way to express my spiritual values and beliefs, which is basically not expressing them at all. I have a growing hunch that even though I believe there is a spiritual reality, there is no real way to respond to it but to basically ignore it. Inwardly, however, I am full of spiritual zeal, hope, inspiration, and idealism. Although I don't outwardly do anything religious, inwardly I gravitate toward a vision of the universe as fundamentally benign and loving.


    I like the idea of pragmatheism so much that I've introspectively dubbed myself a pragmatheist. I think it's a more positive and optimistic response than pure apatheism, which focuses on the negative aspect. I would like to read more about pragmatheism. If you have any material or just want to write, please let me know. Peace, David.

    1. rjn


      "I find religious devotion, at least in an outward sense, frustrating and depressing. Activities like prayer and temple-worship seem repulsive to me, not obscene but pointless."


      I believe the purpose of exoteric practices is to outwardly express the esoteric, and direct ones focus towards the divine. Then of course, there are the cultural and social implications of religious practice. Most religious people are predominantly focused on the latter, especially fundamentalists, who - it seems to me - completely lack an interest in the esoteric dimension.

  2. Ouroboros


    They totally own that bed. I bet that little white one (Chihuahua?) is the boss.
  3. Sure. It was in a shrink-wrapped box with the text "Nintendo 3DS" on it. This was an attempt to use God as an excuse for shoplifting. Just like Mary blaming God for having a one-night stand.
  4. The funny thing is that if Christianity isn't a religion but atheism is, then the churches should lose their tax exempt status while any atheist should get it. I bet they wouldn't like that.
  5. They have distilled the money part down to a T for a religion, that's for sure. They take more than a 10th.
  6. Those are all wrong. You won't find peace until you accept that it's the Raelians that offer the true religion. Well, them and the Mormons. You forgot Scientology.
  7. We're currently fermenting a pumpkin ale with all that "yucky stuff". So far, it seems to turn out pretty good.
  8. And when halloween is over, you're thrown in the trash.
  9. DJ Orion Podcast, XmiX #53 Syna As a huge electronica fan, this episode is just f*k*ng brilliant! Syna & Ayleon - Change, original mix: Need Bass. Krank it Up!
  10. KVM/QEMU is definitely better than ESXi

    1. JadedAtheist


      I don't mind esxi from my playings with it, then again never tried qemu..

    2. stryper


      this is all geek to me.

    3. Ouroboros


      Jaded: KVM/QEMU runs in any Linux, so all the Linux commands and tools are available, like Unison, backups etc. ESXi is a special written OS, built on Unix, but very different still and not many tools in the command shell. KVM/QEMU opens up a lot more open source use.

      Stryper: It's virtual machine host software to run many different "computers" on one physical computer.


  11. “Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed.” Bhagavad Gita

    1. stryper


      if anger arises from unfulfilled expectation, stated or not, and delusion derives from that is it any wonder some fundies are furiously delusional.

    2. mymistake


      Anger comes when a belief proves false. However when someone rails against what is known to be true the result is humor. You never feel angry when someone argues the world is flat. You just try to not laugh at them.

    3. Deva


      Wise words from the Bhagavad Gita. There are many in that work.

  12. It's 11-11-11... and the world didn't end.

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    2. blackpudd1n


      ...I wasn't aware that the world was meant to end. Then again, there's always some nut saying the world is going to end :P

    3. mymistake


      Are you sure? Maybe the world did end but it was a spiritual ending that only Harrold Camping can sense.

    4. Margee


      It's all about 'oneness' now!

  13. Eh? That means God is the master behind evil. I lost my faith. Yes, I want GOD to prove himself. Or more accurately, if you want me to believe in YOUR GOD, then YOUR GOD has to prove himself. I think 30 years of diligently seeking him was enough, and the only rewards I and my family received were "tests" (as you call it). We never saw any good rewards. Caring is not enough. Acting is more important. My heart is in my chest cavity, slightly to the left, just under the ribs. Gone. Are you a man? Should I trust you? No. Did I seek GOD for my whole life?
  14. The mind is a convergent property of reality

    1. oddbird1963


      It's also a terrible thing to waste!

    2. stryper
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