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About Alice

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    No longer believes six impossible things before breakfast
  • Birthday 08/14/1964

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    Favourite way to spend time - good food and robust conversation around my kitchen table or the camp fire in our family's woodland, with a mixture of my favourite people.

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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
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  1. I can't stop eating sun dried tomatoes and drinking red wine

  2. Hi Alice,

    I tried to send you a message but it came back saying your folders were full.

    Just wondered if you might be able to PM me when I can send you it again.

  3. I just wanted to say - what lovely confirmation gifts from your Dad and what good advice they came with. I describe myself as an apostate who is 'still inot divine possibilities' and I love to see what the worlds seekers after light have to say on life and love and the universe - whatever their background, whatever their combination of beliefs. Welcome to the forum
  4. What a beautiful Picture you posted Alice, I love it! :D

    Have a super day!

  5. Hi Scott, What's with all the abandoning certain threads? this is one of the posts I've left for you elsewhere. (sorry to interupt the flow of this thread guys - but Scott is begining to seriously piss me off ... ) Dear Scott, This fits in with the current discussion I think, in respect of use of the word 'relationship'. Please think about the terms you use and the ones that cannot possibly be taken in a literal sense when talking about the God concept. Thank you
  6. Hi Cat, your story is moving and I see many links with my own life and experience. I really relate to those feelings of wanting to go back sometimes - but knowing that the truth makes this impossible. I have really missed the sense of community and belonging that were part of my christian life - but I am getting there. I love Karen Armstrong's books - have you read her autobiography - the spiral staircase? Anyway - welcome.
  7. Hi Tim, I relate to a lot of your testimony (although I cannot hold a tune!) Thanks for posting.
  8. Hi there soulincrisis, Sorry to hear things have been tough but sounds like you are turning a corner. I look forward to maybe chatting to you in different threads -
  9. Hi Confuzzled, (that's a great user name by the way) As you may pick up from my user name ~ I didn't deconvert in a hurry and somedays I still feel sad that I know my old beliefs were based on something that isn't true. Deconverting can have big consequences for a family ~ I was still a christian when my eldest two children stopped coming to church with us and made it pretty clear they didn't share my belief in christianity. As a christian parent (at the time) it was all pretty scary so I can understand your Mum's tears. My advice is not to rush or force anything. All the other advice given so far is good, this is a decision you need to make as a result of your own study and your own conclusions. Same advice could well apply to the question about sex as well! Its important to look out for your physical health and well being and to make sure you are protected in this way ~ and it's important to think about your emotional well being as well. Has to be your well informed decision ~ nobody else's.
  10. Two things ... (1) When you say 'intentionally' ... I can see the Jews including the different stands of their oral traditions altogether into one set of 'scriptures' as a way of saying to all the tribes or to the halves of Israel and Judea - look we are all united in this, all your holy writing are going to valued together. But I still struggle with the idea of the whole Bible being put together to become a 'tool' - it sounds a bit 'conspiracy' theory. (I don't have a problem with the fact it has been 'used' in this way ... it's just the 'intentionally' put together bit) I think it sounds like the other end of the line where 'God wrote it' it one side, and 'Criminal mastermind bent on producing a powerful political tool that could be used to send country to war if we need to wrote it' on the other. I think what I'm trying to say is sometimes I think non believers ascribe as much power to the book as believers do. (and maybe that - does it just look like a conspiracy becasue we live in an age of conspiracy theories!) and (2) which religions do you think do not reflect the age.
  11. I think the realisation of how I can only ever 'view' the world from my vantage point contributed to my leaving the church. (even when I now try to see the world through other people's eyes as well - its still my take on what I think they see!) I used to attend a church that had the verse 'Jesus Christ - the same yesterday, today and forever' emblazoned above the pulpit. Whilst this may be true - the way his story is portrayed, recieved and understood varies endlessly. I think maybe a lot of people are trying more to protect their own interests than God's.
  12. I was thinking about some long since studied church history and recalling the controversies that before the Reformation apparently surrounded any teaching about having any sort of 'personal' relationship with Jesus. My understanding is that for this largest part of church history a 'personal' relationship was frowned upon and seen as a bit wacky and left to women like Teresa of Avila, whose writings by and large 'embarrassed' the church establishment. I'm guessing that the christian view is that the 'wicked' church hijacked the 'real' religion and it took the Reformation redicovery of the Bible to uncover the truth of the need for the 'personal relationship with Jesus' bit. but I was just wondering - what of all those faithful church attenders over the centuries who believed any suggestion of a 'personal' relationship to be horribly presumptuous and who never prayed the 'sinner's prayer' or responded to an altar call because no one was suggesting such a thing was necessary - this is only a version of 'what about the people who have never heard about Jesus' - but slightly different I guess. I guess these thoughts are related to my growing feeling that what is called 'christian' today is a reflection of the age we live in. Not that I'm suggesting - as some do - that there was once a 'golden age' of christianity that christians should get back to, but rather that religions are ALWAYS a reflection of the age in which they exist (just as other 'ologies' and bodies of learning are as well I guess) The 'personal' relationship with Jesus concept is one that would never have made sense to anyone - even the most dedicated church attender - in a era without life insurance and counsellors.
  13. They sound like just the kind of people you could tell - and who would just keep on loving you the same way - who would be interested in whatever path you walk - becuase they are interested in and love you irrespective of where you tred. They sound like people who want you to be real with them.
  14. You don't need to defend yourself anymore! I live in the UK and I guess there are many more churches where no one believes that the Bible is some sort of history book, rather that its a collection of myths and half histories, interesting stories and embarrassingly awful stories. So I've gradually walked away from fundamentalism without facing the ex chrisitian thing - infact I'm no where near ready to call myself an ex christian and feel slightly fradulent even being here at times - but its my journey so I'm setting my own pace. My journey started with my realisation that even if God had written the Bible in long hand with a great big celestial biro the words on the page would still never be 'the word of God' - they could only ever be my understanding of the words on the page - they were doomed for ever to be the words of Liz interpreting the words of God. Because my belief in the 'inerrancy of scripture' crumbled from this starting point, I think it was less painful to me - than it is to some. I still hold fast to the truths I've always loved. That Red sea dividing story is powerful stuff. I love thinking through my responses to the different characters, and seeing what it can teach me - I love thinking through my responses to Star Wars as well though! Let your son come down from the fundamental bit gently ... have fun with the history :-)
  15. I was raised as a 'six thousand year literalist - everything the Bible says is actually true' home. I sort of listened to years of teaching about how this bit archeology proved that bit of scripture and this bit another. But to be perfectly honest I never really took it in - because I couldn't see the value in worrying about whether something actually happened or not. Rather than approach history as an excercise in disproving things - why not just look at history that interests you. For me - I love a good a story because of what it can teach me through my reactions to the different parts of the tale. I guess that's why I stayed in the church so long. I don't really see truth as being confinded to descriptions of how and when some thing happened. Does it really matter whether or not there are chariot tracks in the red sea (although I suspect not) if they suddenly find them - are you going to reconvert? If they find a cross preserved in aspic (or whatever - I don't know!) with a sign on it saying 'the king of the Jews' are you going to reconvert? Enjoy the freedom of not having to run around trying to find proof anymore!
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