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Vigile last won the day on January 29 2018

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  1. LOL, yeah, it's me that's deluded here. This is getting comical. So, now after 18 months, Mueller indicts a baker's dozen, get this, sock puppets who worked for a click bait farm. They engaged in political work as well as anything else that would get them clicks to sell product ads on. At one point they tweeted for a Trump rally that 8 suckers showed up for. I just can't take anyone who takes this seriously seriously anymore. It's the dumbest thing I've seen ever coming out of the political sphere and it had a lot of competition. As Jill Stein mentioned, it doesn't even pass the laugh test. So, yeah, you're right, nothing you can say will change my mind until those you get your info from severely up their game. Just a heads up, while they got you looking for Russian sock puppets under every bush, they are getting ready to go after your Social Security, and all those pols who got you fired up over Trump, the fascist, just gave him a bigger military budget than he asked for and now they want you to give Donald Tiny hands the power to censor your political speech and are begging him to take the guns too. It's really sad.
  2. That video is actually hilarious. So, this guy has a dream that he oversleeps and doesn't make it to the polls to vote on election day. In his dream, a couple of guys come to his door and demand that he report for duty because the draft has been changed to everyone under the age 65. Then, while telling his wife what's going on, he notices a guy standing in his kitchen. He asks his wife, who is that? She responds that he's their gay neighbor whose partner had broken up with him. According to law, they have to allow him to live with them until he finds a new partner. If the guy doesn't find one by the end of the week, the man has to sleep with him because 'the law's the law!' If that's homophobic to the degree of it being offensive, folks should probably lighten up a bit. It would be just as funny if instead of a gay guy, it was the neighbor's ex wife. BTW, it's not a Putin ad. It's a public service announcement meant to get out the vote in a funny way.
  3. Evidence, for any of this? Remember, claims, even if from (especially if from) intel agencies, and anon sources are not evidence.
  4. No, you told me what you think. That's not showing how. Showing would require actual proof. The sanctions are very much tied to that so it's fair to ask why Russia is being sanctioned when there hasn't even been a legal decree that they did anything wrong, just bald accusations. If your eyes were open here you'd see that the sanctions have nothing whatsoever to do with anything Russia did and everything to do with the US doing everything it can to hinder and block a potential economic and military threat to its global dominance. We're adults here. Let's be honest and stop letting the PR people tell us fairy tales. The ammunition you refer to came from wikileaks. It has been shown with 100% proof that it came directly from the DNC server, not from Russian hackers. And let's not brush over the fact that this "ammunition" was all 100% true. Not very helpful for the HRC side of this story.
  5. I think it was pretty clear I was speaking of social services here. There are no concentration camps here. In fact, it's the Us that is imprisoning and otherwise abusing its population at this time. It has by far the most prisoners.
  6. Could be. Looks kind of Chinese to me, but what do I know?
  7. But it's not because Putin actually doesn't do the same evil things the western governments are doing. He's merely accused of doing these things. You'll find, if you do even a small amount of digging, that the accusations are completely empty. I'm sure he's no saint, but he is one politician I don't mind defending. The guy has done tremendous things for this country over his time in office. The average Russian has seen his/her standard of living improve hundreds of percent, they've seen police corruption cleaned up, they've seen massive government reforms, they've seen national security beefed up again (and note that it has been defense systems, not offense systems primarily). There is still room for improvement, but most countries can only dream of a leader like he has been for the Russian people. Russians are well educated, well read and very aware as a people and they have consistently given him 80 to 90% approval ratings. This isn't because they are duped. What approval rating did FDR have? Keep in mind that Russians have virtually everything that FDR gave the Americans, plus free healthcare and they have these things on the backdrop of a depression far worse than the US great depression during the 1990s and despite massive amounts of western sanctions.
  8. You mean info from the wikileaks dump (Hillary and co emails)? What info specifically are you referring here? I wish, but unfortunately, that's just not true. Russia would dearly love the US to leave Syria, but they dug in their heels with 15 illegal bases. Before that, Trump ordered a cruise missile attack on not just Syria, but on the airport where there was Russian troops. He did it while enjoying a piece of chocolate cake, which he mentioned to show just how little of a shit he gave about ordering a bombing attack on a country without provocation or UN mandate. Can you provide details because as I understand it, sanctions come from congress and not POTUS. Congress has already imposed sanctions. But let's talk about sanctions. Why does Russia deserve to be sanctioned? Do you realize that sanctions are acts of war? Why isn't Israel sanctioned for apartheid and for stealing land against UN mandates? Why isn't Saudi Arabia sanctioned for virtual genocide in Yemen as we speak? Are you really sure you want to argue that Russia is getting special favors here? I guess you're referring to saving St. Petersburg from a terror attack, something Russia has done for the US many times before the favor was returned. Yeah, that's a real stickler. So, you mean modern day lobby efforts that are not only perfectly legal, but undertaken by Israel, Saudi Arabia, China, Indonesia, India... But hey, Facebook found 100 accounts that might, maybe be tied to Russia. Hell, I might be one of them. I have a Russian IP and I discuss what FB considers "fake" news all the time. As mentioned, he has 15 completely illegal bases in Syria. There is no UN mandate, so it breaks international law 6 ways to Sunday. He has ordered cruise missile attacks as well as bombing runs on the country. He also supports Saudi Arabia in its 100% illegal war against Yemen where they are cutting off trade routes starving them to death. There is massive famine in large areas of Yemen and the US (Trump) is providing cover and selling them weapons. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
  9. Not quite related Fwee, but thought you'd enjoy it anyway:
  10. I don't expect you to take my word for any of this. Here's a Canadian journalist, who, unlike CNN, Fox, ABC, etc..., actually speaks Arabic and actually went to Syria and reported on it first hand (yes, western MSM didn't actually go there. They used stringers who make their living selling, so they sell what the MSM wants to buy):
  11. You are very misinformed about Ukraine. The US fomented a coup there, then picked the government for them. Since then, the citizens of the region of Donbass decided they wanted nothing to do with the newly formed government and so Kiev, with the help of the US, has been bombing the hell out of them. What does Russia have to do with any of this? There's a Ukrainian joke that goes: Why are we bombing Donbass? The Russians are there. Why aren't we bombing Crimea? Because the Russians are REALLY there. Here's US rep Victoria Nuland on the phone choosing the Ukrainian government. How is this Putin's doing?
  12. Russia didn't annex, Crimea actually voted. There were impartial observers from 13 different countries ensuring the vote was fair and they voted in favor by over 90%. Isn't this exactly what the United States is always in favor of, free association by people using their democratic voice? That's what they argued when they spent $5B foisting a coup on Ukraine's democratically elected leadership while the last Olympics were on tv. Syria doesn't want the US there and the US is there by force. Big, big difference. If you can't see that, this convo will go nowhere. No non sequitur. On one hand we have an open, year long investigation of which there has thus far been zero evidence presented. Meanwhile, we have a crime being committed openly, blatantly for all the world to see of which there is irrefutable evidence that is being completely ignored. None of this is my opinion, this is objectively observable fact. How can one conclude anything other than political motivation here? It's like allowing a guy to rob a bank on live television over and over and letting him get away with it and even pretending it's not happening while holding an open investigation on the same guy for sexual harassment for which there are lots of accusations, 100% of them leveled by his political opposition, but no proof. It's so far out there into La La land that no casual observer can watch it all without dropping their jaw in awe of it all.
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