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Neon Genesis

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  1. If God was really all-powerful and if he really answers people's prayers, why didn't God answer people's prayers who are seeking the truth and use his divine powers to prevent the scriptures from being corrupted by man? Was God too weak to stop us sinful humans from corrupting his scriptures, thus meaning God isn't all-powerful after all, or was God not all-loving enough to care if people sought out the truth?
  2. Whenever I hear Christians try to rationalize this, they try to say it was God's will for our prayers to not be answered in exactly the way we want it to. But if everything happens in accordance to God's will, then wasn't it God's will for people to suffer from pain? By praying to God, aren't Christians attempting to change God's will? If Christians really believe that God's will is above everything and we all should follow it, why are they trying to change God's will with prayer?
  3. Personally, I thought this one quote was really deep and profound.
  4. Wait, she doesn't want you to seek a belief, but she wants you to seek for what she thinks is the truth, and if you find what she thinks is the truth from seeking it, then you will find her belief, so by seeking her truth, you are seeking a belief even though she just told you she doesn't want you to seek a belief. I'm confused. Am I the only one who thought this sounded perverted when I first read it? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler a Christian?
  5. I cannot stand the God/good parent analogy. If a good parent is fair to all their children and have the power to help their child, they wouldn't sit back and allow their neighbor to rape and beat their child to death while they pamper their other child, would they? If they did that that would be counted as child abuse and neglect and they would be arrested and have the child taken away from them to protect the child from harm. And just because the parent might make up for it with their child later down the road for allowing them to be raped and abused, that doesn't change the fact that what that parent did was wrong and immoral and disgusting or justify what they did. So, if a parent isn't justified for allowing one child to be raped and abused that they had the power to stop even if they make up for it, why isn't God held by the same standards when he sits back and allows some of his children to be raped and abused but favors his other children when God has the power to save all of his children just because God makes up for his neglect and child abuse later on? Why is God making up with his children later on in the "Next Age" a compensation for purposely allowing them to be raped and abused in this age while he pampered his other children if he's the one who allowed the rape and abuse to occur in the first place?
  6. Don't give me that "I was never saved" crap. You are aware that this site is called Ex-Christian.net, right? I was a Christian my whole life. I tried to follow his word, prayed to him to give me strength to overcome my sins, went to church three times a week, took communion weekly, became involved in church events, participated in worship services, and hell, I was even baptized. I nearly committed suicide many times in my life and would beg God to give me a reason to believe in him and to help save me but not once did I ever get an answer from him. So, don't you give me that crap that I wasn't listening. You don't know me so stop judging me as if you did. Wasn't it the bible that said to judge not lest thee be judged? By making assumptions about me when you don't even know me, aren't you judging me? Why don't you take the shards out of your own eye before you take the shards out of other people's eyes? And if God doesn't intend for everyone to be saved in this age, then are you admitting that it was God's will for me to be agnostic? And if it was God's will for me not to be saved in this age, why are you here trying to change God's will by trying to get me to agree with your beliefs? Aren't you defying God by trying to change his will for me not to be saved in this age by attempting to get me to reconvert and believe in God and be saved? And do you honestly expect people to think that God saving people sooner than others isn't partiality? That is most certainly too partiality because God apparently thinks that some people are more special than others that they deserve to be saved sooner than others. If that isn't God playing favorites, then please explain what is.
  7. If the omnipotence paradox cannot be used to disprove the existence of God because it is an illogical argument, then why do Christians believe in miracles? Miracles like turning water into wine or being raised from the dead after being cruxificied are supernatural events which occur outside the natural laws of logic that God created. If one accepts that God can perform miracles, then they do in fact accept that illogical arguments can be applied to God because miracles are outside logic, thus doesn't the omnipotence paraox still stand? But if one doesn't believe that the omnipotence paradox can disprove the existence of God because they don't believe illogical arguments can be applied to God, then they must accept that miracles do not exist and the bible cannot be taken literally in any possible way because miracles by their very nature are illogical. To put it simply, you cannot use an illogical argument like miracles to prove God but then turn around and say that illogical arguments cannot disprove God. Furthermore, if the omnipotence paradox doesn't disprove the existence of God because it is an illogical argument, doesn't this mean that the laws of logic are more powerful than God because he is bounded by those laws of logic that he created? Therefore, shouldn't we be worshipping the laws of logic instead of God? And if God must follow the laws he created, then what gives God the right to take away the lives of any human he feels like, since he created the law that thou shalt not murder, and God must follow his own laws in order to disprove the omnipotence paradox?
  8. You are still dodging the main issue and that is not what my question is. My question is not, "Will God ever appear before us?" My question is if God does not show partiality, why did God/Jesus appear before you in the here and now but he does not appear before us in the here and now. Isn't God showing partiality because he gives you proof that he exists in this life but he does not give us proof that he exists in this life? Why do you think you are more special than us that God gives you proof in this life but not us? And please don't change the subject to talk about the future. I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about the here and now. Because you telling me to just believe in God and he'll show his existence to me in the future and that we'll have better lives because of it is just another fancied up version of Pascal's Wager and we already know that Pascal's Wager is bullshit. I can already see that this is going to be a repeat of Anterlman's debate with Kat. So, you admit that the bible lied and God does in fact show partiality because he wants some people to be saved in certain times but not other people in those same times? Please explain to me how that is not partiality. And since you've clearly admitted that God does show partiality and the bible lied, if one part of the bible lied, why should I believe any of the rest of it is reliable? And please don't give me any crap about your personal experiences. I am not you and have not experienced your personal experiences nor do I know you personally so your personal experiences mean nothing to me. And yet here you are, still preaching at us. Give me a break. If you don't believe that we were wrong to deconvert from Christianity, why are you here at this site trying to convince us to argee with your beliefs and get us to convert to your sparkly new never-before seen version of "ZOMFG, the truth!"? Translation: I'm a "real" Christian and only I have the "one true way" and all those other Christians before me weren't "real" Christians! Yawn, when are Christians going to tell us something we haven't already heard before a million times already?
  9. That is not an answer to my question. I am not asking about salvation. I am asking why does God appear in front of some people but not in front of others? And telling me that God appeared in front of Moses but not the Isrealites is not an answer. In Acts 10:34 Peter says that God does not show partiality to anyoine. Tell me, if God is all-loving and wants us all to believe, and if he does not show partiality to anyone, why did he show partiality to you and appear before only you but not to other people? What makes you so special that God appeared to you but he doesn't appear to anyone else? Aren't you saying that God is favoring you more than us because he would appear to you but not us or you know, do something truly miraclous like healing Han's son? Give me a break. Have you not realized yet what site you are at? This is EX-Christian.net. EX means that we used to be Christians, that we used to seek God and guess what? We didn't find him, so did God break his promise then that we would find him if we sought him because we didn't find him when we did? If God is real and if he does not show partiality, then why did you find God when you sought him but we didn't? Also, answer my other questions. If God doesn't want the definition of marriage to be changed, why did he allow the definition of marriage to be changed with regards to polygamy? And saying that the NT is about grace is not an answer because that is entirely off-topic. Also, answer my other question. If Christians really believe that we should follow God because he knows what's best for us, why do Christians ignore Jesus' instructions in Mark 3:23-26 for his followers to be united in their beliefs? Since Mark 3:23-26 says that a house divided against itself will end, then doesn't that show that Christianity is a fraud and will end because it is divided against itself? And answer my other question, since you don't believe in hell and Christians go through the exact same suffering that non-Christians go through, what are we being saved from again?
  10. No, I don't find any use in looking to the bible for morals. If the bible was written by mankind, then mankind created the morals within the bible, so I don't see why I couldn't find those 10% of the morals in the bible that's actually worth something in another book written by mankind. Like I can find the same Christian values of love, trust, and forgiveness in the Star Wars movies and I think Star Wars is better-written than the bible, so why do I still need the bible if I can find the same morals in it in Star Wars? I also don't like how the bible assumes that morals are black and white issues and ignores more complex issues of moral ambguity that would actually be useful and inspirational to us. I'm not saying that the bible's messages of being nice to each other, don't steal or cheat isn't useful to society. But that's the kind of stuff I learned when I was in kindergarden. I don't see why I need to keep turning to the bible for these messages I learned when I was five.
  11. Excuse me? You're the one going around spouting off your blatantly sexist crap and claiming that homosexuality is a sin, and that we shouldn't call civil unions "gay marriage" because God will make us suffer and arguging with us that this is based on science. You most certainly do have to prove it to us. "Extordinary claims require extrodinary evidence." It is an extrodinary claim to say that God appeared before you and told you that gays are evil and women are inferior to men, therefore you must present psychical evidence to prove to us that these events occured if you expect us to take any of your arguments seriously. And no, circular proof arguments that go nowhere and your personal experiences in life which we cannot see as we were not there your entire life to see if any of what you are saying is true or not do not count as psychical evidence. And if you have no desire to prove what you believe to us, then why are you at this site again? Please stop ignoring my questions and answer ALL my questions that I ask you. You believe in giving respect to people that show you respect, right? So, why are you dissrespecting me by ignoring my questions and just picking and choosing which ones you feel like answering? Answer this question and stop dodging it. If you believe that God/Jesus is all-loving and that God/Jesus appeared to you, how can it be all-loving for God/Jesus to appear to you but not appear to other people? If God/Jesus really appeared to you, then you've just proven that God/Jesus just picks and chooses which prayers he feels like answering and doesn't care if anyone else believes in him. How is a God that picks and chooses who he appears to and ignores everyone else all-loving? How is that kind of God not selfish and hypocritical because he chooses who he wants to appear to but then turns around and expects other people to believe in him yet doesn't appear in front of them, too? Answer this question.
  12. If we are to obey every law of man for conscience sake before God because God knows best, then why are you against gay marriage if you're supposed to obey every law of man? Because if gay marriage was made legal, then according to your logic, doesn't that mean God thinks it's best for gays to marry since we must follow every law of man for conscience sake before God? And you're still ignoring my question and changing the subject to go off on some rambling about God's grace when that is not my question was about. My question was if God does not want the definition of marriage to change, then why has God allowed the definition of marriage with regards to how many people you can marry to be changed from what he himself originally allowed? Please stop dodging my questions. Last I checked, you were the one going around saying we shouldn't have gay marriage because God will make us suffer for not choosing the way he thinks is best, which means you're the one who still sees things in terms of God's threats, not me. Last I checked, Christians went through all the exact same sufferings that non-Christians believe in, so what are we being saved by again? And you are aware that God is the one who ALLOWS this sickness and poverty to occur, right? Why should I worship a God to be saved from the poverty and sickness that that very same God allowed to happen in the first place? Tell me, when God allows Christians to suffer instead of using his powers to help them, is he being a good Samaritan or is he acting like a Pharisee? And if we should do what God says because he knows what's best for him, why is Christianity so divided against itself? In Mark 3:23-27 Jesus says that a house divided against itself cannot stand and will eventually end. If Christians really believe in following God/Jesus because he knows what's best, why didn't they follow Jesus' instructions about being united in Mark 3:23-27 and allow Christianity to be divided against itself?
  13. Another problem I have with the God = love definition is like what you said earlier in the thread, that what people consider to be love is purely subjective. Some Christians say that God created the universe and gave us free will out of love but was it really love when God created the universe but left behind such an inchorent message behind and little evidence for his existence that has caused countless numbers of disputes and heartache that could have easily been avoided if God left behind proof? To me that's like a woman who gives birth to a child and has the capablity to raise that child but then abanbons her newborn child to fend for itself. Some people might say that she showed that child love by not aborting her child but other people might think she was a heartless bitch for abandoning her child and not even trying to contact that child when she had the ability to do so. Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not trying to use the God/parent analogy to prove the existence of hell like I've seen some fundies do. I'm just using it to say why I think why I can't see how God can be love if God creates us but leave us alone to suffer.
  14. But I still don't understand this. If God is love and love is God, and the God described in most of the bible isn't God because it doesn't match the definition that God = love, but hell and Satan are just myths, then what is hate?
  15. If God is really all-knowing and all-loving, then wouldn't have God used his all-knowing powers to realize ahead of time that we would have such difficulty understanding this passage and would have made it clearer as to what the verses mean? Since God did not make the bible more clear as to what the verses mean so that it would be impossible to disagree on their meaning, doesn't that mean that God didn't know ahead of time that we wouldn't be able to understand the meaning and therefore he is not all-knowing? Or because God didn't make the meaning clearer for us to understand, does that mean God doesn't care that we understand the bible, therefore God is not all-loving?
  16. If the definition of marriage was never supposed to be changed, why did God accept polygamy marriages in the Old Testament but suddenly changed his mind and not allow it in the New Testament? Saved from what? If there is no hell to be punished with for not beliving in God, what do we have to be saved from? If God is just going to magically give us all free tickets to heaven, why are you wasting time trying to get us to agree with you, since God is just going to magically save us all when Jesus comes back? And if there is no hell and God is going to magically give everyone free tickets to heaven, then why shouldn't we change the definition of marriage, since God will just magically save the gay couples that get married as you claim there is no hell to be punished with and he's going to magically save everyone anyway? This is what I don't get about you. You say that God is going to magically save everyone and there is no hell but then turn around and say we had better not change the definition of marriage as if God is going to punish us if we do yet then turn around and say God doesn't punish. It's like you're trying to threaten us to not do something yet you turn around and say there's nothing to threaten us with. And you've still ignored my question. If God is all-loving and really cares if we believe in him, why does he appear in front of some people but not appear to others? Please stop dodging my questions.
  17. First of all, as others have stated, women and elderly are just as capable of swearing as anybody else is. And if you think children never swear, you obviously never paid any attention as to what goes on in the school playground. Second of all, even Jesus himself said that sinning in your heart is the same as commiting the sin psychically. So even if you never cuss at someone, if you still feel the same emotion towards that person as somebody who does cuss at them, then you are just as guilty of sinning as the person that cussed. If sinning in your heart is the same as sinning psychically, which do you think is more "Christlike" to say? Saying "fuck yeah" with non-offensive intentions (like complimenting something you really like) or saying "darn you" with the same offensive intentions as saying "damn you?"
  18. This is a question I always ask Christians when they claim God or Jesus appeared to them. If you believe that God/Jesus is all-loving and that God/Jesus appeared to you, how can it be all-loving for God/Jesus to appear to you but not appear to other people? If God/Jesus really appeared to you, then you've just proven that God/Jesus just picks and chooses which prayers he feels like answering and doesn't care if anyone else believes in him. How is a God that picks and chooses who he appears to and ignores everyone else all-loving? How is that kind of God not selfish and hypocritical because he chooses who he wants to appear to but then turns around and expects other people to believe in him yet doesn't appear in front of them, too?
  19. One other problem I have with this argument for God's existence is that it makes the assumption that the Christian God must be the "greatest possible being." But if just imagining the "greatest possible being" proves that God exists, then anyone can easily imagine a God that they think is greater than the Christian God. And since they imagined it, does that mean that their God is true and the Christian God is false? But since all believers imagine their own "greatest possible being", then they all must be true because they can imagine it, but how can there be more than one "greatest possible being"?
  20. I live in the eastern part of Tennessee and while there is this obvious air of Christianity all around, I don't recall it ever being that upfront. Of course it could also just be because I've lived here for almost my whole life that maybe I've gotten used to seeing it and it doesn't bother me anymore. But I've never heard them playing any Christian music in Wendy's, unless maybe you count country music as being Christian, but then almost every other person around here listens to country and I despise country, so I just automatically block it out when I hear it being played. The only time I've seen Christian messages that upfront on businesses is if it was stuff like privately-owned restaraunts, which while slightly annoying, it never really bothered me as long as they kept it in privately owned restaraunts instead of the big chains. Interestingly this past Christmas I saw that our local BestBuy had signs up wishing Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanza, and Happy Hannukah instead of just Merry Christmas.
  21. I just remembered one thing that God cannot do and there's even biblical scripture to back it up to contradict the whole "God can do anything" the bible claims. According to Mark 3:28-30, the one thing God cannot do is that he cannot forgive those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit, even though at the same time the bible says all things are possible with God.
  22. You mean Christians never have biases? *is shocked* (sarcasm)
  23. Reading Kratos' posts in the Message For Christians thread made me think about how Christians claim that cuss words are a sin to speak. But according to the bible, language was created by God, so if there are some words that are evil to speak, and God created those words that are evil, then doesn't that mean that the Christian God created something evil?
  24. Ask him if God can do anything, why didn't he answer Jesus' prayer in John 17:20-21 to keep his believers united as one?
  25. So, are you giving us permission to go over to your church, interrupt your worship services to preach to the congregration about why we think believing mythical fairytales are real is silly, pester your members during your service to deconvert, then tell your preacher to ignore us when he tries to stop us?
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