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Neon Genesis

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  1. I think Paul's resurrection is a spiritual one, not a literal one. Paul says himself in 1 Cor 15 that it's impossible for the physical to enter heaven. He doesn't describe any physical details of the resurrection accounts in the gospels. He describes his resurrection experiences in terms of having visions, like one verse where he talks about being taken into the third heaven and he compares his resurrection experience to that of the other witnesses.
  2. Bible scholar John Shelby Spong argues in his book "Rescuing The Bible from Fundamentalism" that Paul believed in a spiritual resurrection, not a physical resurrection. Spong points out that in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that Paul says If it's impossible for a physical body to enter the kingdom of heaven, how could Jesus be physically raised from the dead and be able to return to heaven? Paul also says that they all experienced the same kind of resurrection he did, which was that of a vision rather than a physical resurrection. How can someone be a foremost respected historian on the resurre
  3. Watch a Christian, John Shelby Spong, debunk the resurrection of Jesus: http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29642627
  4. John's gospel does not claim to be written by John himself. It only says it was written by the beloved disciple but never identifies who he is. Matthew and Mark never say who they are either and the belief that they were written by apostles and friends of the apostles was a tradition made up later by the church fathers but isn't stated in the gospels themselves. And you yourself state that Luke wasn't an eyewitness and got his account from other people.
  5. It was C.S. Lewis who used the argument first but most biblical scholars think the argument is nonsense because there's no historical evidence that Jesus ever called himself God in the flesh.
  6. The Epicureans were not atheists. The Epicureans were deists. They believed in God and the soul but they believed the gods didn't interfere with the natural universe and that soul was made of atoms. They were not atheists in any sense of the word. And what historical evidence is there Jesus ever called himself God in the flesh?
  7. It has long been accepted that Genesis is a symbolic account describing the relationship between humans and God rather than a literal scientific account since the days of St. Augustine. St. Augustine wrote himself in his book The Literal Meaning of Genesis that if science and scripture contradicted each other, Christians should accept science over religion. This has always been an acceptable orthodox position for Catholics. It's relevant to the topic because you're trying to argue between evolution and religion but I'm trying to show you this is a false dichotomy. Don't tell me what is or
  8. So everyone is biased but Christians aren't because Christians are super special awesome or something?
  9. Does LNC honestly expect anyone here to take the ontological argument seriously? What happened to LNC's favorite pet argument, the Kalaam Cosmological Argument and his William Lane Craig obsession?
  10. How is freewill compatible with an all-knowing god? So God allows a child to be raped by a pedophile priest because some good might come out of being raped? Human life didn't come into existence until millions of years after the big bang. How is that a personal origin? So why did God create wisdom teeth that you're just going to have have removed later on and serve no purpose? How is God loving and good for commanding the Israelites to stone people for eating shrimp and wearing clothes made from mixed fabrics?
  11. So what is your point, LNC? That scientists have faith in gravity like you have faith in God? You don't need to have "faith" in gravity. If you don't believe in it, you can drop a set of dumbbells off the top of a building and see if they fall or not. If the dumbbells fall to to the ground, gravity is real. If the dumbbells float in the air, then gravity isn't real. No faith required.
  12. I think you have it backwards. Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. To claim that a crucified Jewish man was raised from the dead on the third day is an extraordinary claim and it's your job to back it up with extraordinary evidence. It is logically impossible to prove a negative and we're not the ones making the assertive claim, you are, so it's your job to prove it. Even the bible says that Christians should always be prepared to give a reason for the hope they have. It doesn't say skeptics should always have a reason, it says Christians should. Where in 1 Corinthian
  13. Is LNC seriously claiming most historians believe that 1 Corinthians 15 is a historically accurate account of the resurrection? I'm sorry but just no. And Thomas was not a skeptic in any sense of the word. Nobody in the ancient world was a skeptic. Everyone in the ancient world believed in God and miracles.
  14. It has long been accepted that Catholicism is compatible with evolution and the big bang and Catholics don't believe Genesis is a literal account. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ns/world_news-europe/ This is a No True Scotsman fallacy and you just ignored my question again and didn't answer why I should believe you over the Gnostics. What is the correct way to worship God and how do you know your way of worshiping God is the correct one? Even in the bible, there were Christians who were Paul's rivals who believed all Gentiles should be required to follow the old law to
  15. I'm still waiting for LNC to tell us how do we know it's his god and his version of Christianity that fine tuned the universe.
  16. I'm glad you're doing well Shyone but I'll miss your presence on the forums and I hope you'll still drop by every once and awhile. Live long and prosper!
  17. We don't know the apostles themselves claimed to have seen the resurrected Jesus as we don't have access to the actual words of the apostles given that they didn't write anything down. What we have are gospels being written decades after the life of Jesus claiming the apostles had seen Jesus raised from the dead. But in the earliest manuscripts of Mark's gospel, which is the earliest gospel written, there are no records of the risen Jesus appearing to the apostles. The earliest Christian writings we have access to are the letters of Paul and nowhere in Paul's letters does he say there was a
  18. Which Christian worldview? Catholics say that God created the universe through the big bang and evolution and that Genesis is just a fable. Why should I believe your claims over theirs? Gnostics say that the universe was created by an evil false god. Why should I believe your claims over theirs? Which Christian purpose should I believe in? The purpose we're supposed to follow is different by denomination. The End Times Christians say our purpose is to get the Jews back into power in Israel to bring about the Second Coming. Christian Reconstructionists say our purpose is to turn America
  19. Yet the very first thing God did after he created the universe was he lied to Adam and Eve.
  20. If you're not going to respond to my posts, then stop replying to my thread, LNC. I'm the one who posted this thread, you know.
  21. Actually, we do know of things in the universe that exists which are uncaused. They're called gas molecules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument#Scientific_positions
  22. LNC's arguments can be summed up as follows: You're misrepresenting this view! blahblahblahblahblah etc Goddidit! blahblahblahblahblah etc God doesn't need to have been created because I say so! blahblahblahblahblah
  23. I'm avoiding answering your question because I don't waste my time explaining basic theology to moronic Christians who should already know this. Come back to this thread when the wizard gives you a brain because until then I'm not debating anything with you. I'll be perfectly blunt that I find debating with you to be annoying and frustrating and I'm not going to debate with you further until you get your act together and stop changing arguments as you go along. I'm tired of playing your little word games with you. Apparently LNC thinks he knows more about science than Stephen Hawking doe
  24. How do you feel pain in hell if you're dead?
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