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  1. Hmm.... well, if anyone on here wants to make a few extra bucks, we can go found it
  2. had to write an argumenative paper for a college course, so i figured school prayer would be an open and shut case. turns out i was right . enjoy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The freedom to pray in school is protected by the first amendment, but having a public school lead, support, or otherwise endorse prayer is wrong on both a constitutional level and a moral one. The conflict is whether or not schools should have prayer during class and at after -school events that are led by, initiated by, or otherwise encouraged by the schools staff. Therefore, in this essay, I will be presenting an overview of the arguments against school- led prayer. This argument is commonly misunderstood, as many think whenever prayer in school is mentioned they assume it’s about the student’s personal right to pray and feel that people want to keep their kid from talking about God in class or praying in school. The First amendment guarantees students right to free speech, so long as it’s non-disruptive to the learning environment; if a student wants to pray before class, or talk about his faith in class, he’s completely protected. That right will always be guaranteed, since all freedom- loving Americans believe in the right to free speech. So, whenever laws concerning school prayers are discussed, know that it’s not about the individual’s right to pray in school, it’s about the schools right to lead prayers in and out of the public school environment. One of the problems with having prayers led in class, or at games is that it discriminates. Contrary to what some would like to believe, not everyone’s kid is Christian. In today’s modern world, there are many diverse faiths and beliefs in a modern classroom. To have a prayer in class would be certain to single out someone. Some say we could rotate prayers between faiths, or allow a generic prayer, but this still singles out atheist and agnostic children. While some proposed rotating prayers in class, with each faith being represented, this still poses a problem. Obviously the majority of people are Christian, so they would have more of their prayers said, while minority faiths would be less frequently recognized. It is much simpler to let parents lead their child in a prayer at home, for the student to pray by themselves or with others before classes. It isn’t the schools duty to guide students in religious rituals. Now, some fundamentalists are probably saying how America was founded as a Christian nation and their kids should be taught Christian values, regardless of other people’s preference. Well, this little argument falls under the category of utter lies, to use a nicer word. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, "Treaty of Tripoly, article 11 is a treaty signed by our 4th president, John Adams, clearly stating in plain English, that America was, in no way shape or form intended as a country to promote Christianity. America was founded so that everyone could worship freely or have the choice to not worship or practice anything at all, thus, the words in the first amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religionâ€. The Public school should not be an environment to promote religious rituals or try to teach a certain brand of God. If you want your child to be part of a certain religion, there are churches you can send them, there is plenty of time at home to pray with them and instill them with your values. The public school is not a forum for prayer; it is a place for learning established scientific facts, not religion. The last ditch arguments most proponents of government- led prayer is that it safeguards morality in our schools, without God, they say, how will our children know right from wrong? Well, the school is not the primary place that children should learn "right and wrong"; these type of values should be instilled at home. While some say that it should be Christian based learning, schools aren't supposed to endorse certain moral values. It is the parent’s place to teach their children right and wrong, to blame declining morality on the simple fact that kids don’t say a few lines before class is ignorant and makes as much sense as saying opening an umbrella indoors caused your divorce. To say America is suffering because we don’t promote Christianity in schools does not stand up to logic. Japan, where there is no prayer in school, has one of the lowest crime rates of any country, so obviously more prayer is not the answer to the school violence problem. Instead of scape goating lack of prayer for our kid’s behaviors, we should be looking at the parents who are raising the children. Schools are designed to educate children; it’s the parents who are responsible for raising them. In closing having prayer in school violates not only the constitution, but the moral rights of the children attending school. Since the loudest of school prayer are Christians, maybe the best way to close thus argument would look into the bible to garner its opinion on this. Jesus says in Matthew 6:5-6 KJV " And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.†This Verse does not suggest you have to go into a closet to pray the to the Christian god correctly, but it does show that Jesus is against prayer simply to be praying and showing off your religion, which is what having a class prayer would be doing. Forcing non-Christian students to sit through prayer is no different than those people who back in biblical times, prayed loudly and openly in public to simply show off themselves. If there is a place for prayer its in private and with fellow believers.
  3. in arguing with apologetics, i find that your forced to pick apart every single little piece of that crumbled argument to even start to break their faith wall...
  4. you need to redeem yourself, i recommend some Flying Spaghetti Monster tracts at random noodle-related places :>
  5. Love the full metal quote ;>

  6. wouldn't be a good fundy e-mail without a little racism. fear the minorityraces!!!!!
  7. yeah, same here with the occult, i got a one way ticket... the death metal thing doesnt help my chances either....
  8. Its like that here in the south, when people sit down to a big home-cooked, do they thank the chef, no they thank jeebus.. like he really had anything to do with it.. THANK THE CHEFS YOU BASTARDS!!!!
  9. don't forget to put all the "Christian science" in the sci-fi section.
  10. there is a paved walking trail through my little town, and every time I've went there i find some jack chick tracts rolled up in the and stuffed in the benches, its really sickening/sad that someone would actually think their doing their gods work by littering. i usually read them while i'm walking for a good laugh, then disposes of them in a proper trash receptacle, which is where they should have been put in the first place. by the way thanks for the mention of book by Charles Fort. I've been looking for something to read, and i think I'll go try to find a copy, it sounds pretty interesting. let us know how your viewpoints turn out after reading that eclectic selection of books
  11. how do i deal with anger?? usually with very violent death/thrash metal, i.e slayer, cannibal corpse,deicide, etc.. people who dont listen to death metal usually think the music would make someone more angry and violent, but the music expresses what i feel without me acting it out. its letting someone else vent your anger for you instead of just trying to suppress it. some recommended listening Cast Down-slayer enemy of god- kreator new found power- damageplan shadows and dust-Kataklysm redneck- lamb of god harvester of sorrows- metallica death to jesus- deicide
  12. awesome avatar

  13. lmao, i cant recall how many of these i have heard.. so sad
  14. this video is very disturbing.... there is a similar video i just found where a psycho fundy invades a catholic mass. fundie mass buster seriously we still have this stuff in this day and age??
  15. i took a world religion class this semester and we had to sum up what we learned and how it affects our viewpoint in a paper. i think it turned out pretty well. please ignore any spelling and punctuation errors, but besides those feel free to criticize
  16. i order free tracts in large quantity's off the internet all the time, i have a little folder with about 600+ in about 20+ languages. probably make good fuel this winter.
  17. one of my teachers at my old fundie school said that scientists had found that fire when it burns hot enough is actually black, so he said hell would be pitch dark. i havent had time to check that fact, but considering some of the other stuff he told the kids , i doubt he could even properly spell science :<
  18. This is great, i know some other freethinkers in my school who will get a kick out of this :>
  19. honestly even though i was a christian thorughout almost all of my first relationship, i never felt guilty about anything, nor did i ever let it inhibit me. my girlfriend although more chrisian than me was the same way, except she wouldnt go all the way because she felt god wanted her to save herself for marriage.
  20. odd, i must have missed that parable in the bible. now is that found before or after jesus uses the 64 palm strike to defeat Satan??? Seriously???
  21. awesome, good to see you have a job you like. :> now how about helping me find one??
  22. like all xtians, he sees christianity as the only possible truth, thus any evidence that contradicts his exact view of is warped to fit, or destroyed. although im just repeating what we all have observed repeatedly im sure.
  23. this movie is blow up and get alot of media attention and were gonna have some half-assed 5 minute cnn debates. this nation is so easy
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