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  1. You guys ever heard of Gnostics views, where the Serpent and Eve are the hero's of the story?
  2. Cool! I used to own a King Snake, Ring Neck Snake, two Garden Snakes and a Ball Python!
  3. How you are forgiven by God in Christianity is radically different from how your forgiven in Judaism. They both take a different approach but there are problems for both. Christianity. For the most part, Christians believe that all you need to do is believe in Jesus and God will forgive you. I don't want go into to much details on the problems with this thinking, (I mean this is an Ex-Christian site after all, we known) but It dose more people are doom to hell then saved because they can't simply get themselves to believe a man they've never met is God. I also consider it morally lazy. I've known people who've rationalized to themselves that's okay to use, manipulate, lie, and hurt other people but never take responsibility for their actions because they've found Jesus: Who will forgive them. Judaism. Now to be fair, between the two, I like some of the ideas from the Jewish concept of Forgiveness. In Judaism you don't go to God for forgiveness unless you have wronged God somehow, instead you go to the people you've wronged. You're expected to confess any wrong doing to the one's you've hurt, ask them for forgiveness and try to make amends. Even if they refuse to forgive you by making an honest attempt to repair the damage, you are forgiven. Between the two this makes more sense to me then the Christian concept. It tell's you to take responsibility for your actions and try to heal any damage that has been cause by you. So what's the problem? Can you really make amends with everyone you've wronged? What if you realized you wronged that person after you two had parted ways and no longer know where they live? What if they are dead now? What if by doing so it would cause more problems, such as the person your trying to apologizes too might laterally kill you or other people after confessing? What if confessing would somehow caused them even more pain then they already have? Dose this mean God will never forgive you no matter how bad you feel about your wrongful actions or that you've been trying to be a better person since? If you find yourself in situation where trying to make amends is not possible then you have to go through life knowing that when you die, God won't forgive you.
  4. According to creationist, since it was a serpent the who tempted Eve to eat the Forbidden Fruit (or according some Satan, disguised as a Snake), the Serpent now has no limbs and is force to move about on its belly forever as punishment. Well first of all, it was Satan in disguised as a snake, why is God punishing all of snake kind when they've been framed? Wouldn't an all knowing God see that it was the devil who tempted Eve and not a real Serpent? Now if it is normal Serpent, what species? For example if it was a Cobra who tempted Eve, then why should God punish Garden Snakes, Rat Snakes, Anacondas, Vipers, Rattle Snakes, Black Mambas, King Snakes, Sea Snakes, Boas, Pythons and every other species that lives on earth? Also why did God feel the the need to punish this guy?..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legless_lizard In the link above if not a snake, but a lizard that naturally has no limbs. But their not the only limbless animals that are not snakes. There are also Legless Newts and Salamanders too. http://www.livescience.com/18582-legless-amphibians-discovered.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4tgFU-2p7g I haven't even mentioned worms, slugs, snails and leaches. None of these animals have limbs and have to move on their belly's, but Also did not tempt Eve. So do all these animals also share the same fate as the one Snake (who may not even be a snake) Did God Punished them too and other species of snakes, if so, why? Is he unable to tell his own creations apart from each other, if so how is he all knowing? Did he just deliberately punished all of snake kind and possibility other animals who had nothing to do with Eve just to show off his own power? Is so, how is he fair?
  5. Here's another question just for Christianity. If faith in Jesus is the only way to heaven, dose that mean all Alien civilizations are going to hell since they have no way of knowing about Jesus?
  6. According to most Christians (Protestant and Catholic alike) as well as many Muslims and Jews, humanity is in the center of Gods plan. The universe was created for mankind to rule, the animals were created for man to rule over and all of Gods great plan circles around humanity. If that is true, then what's the point of the rest of the universe? Why would God create another Galaxy with its own billions of stars and planets millions of light years away, let alone billions of other Galaxies? As wonderful and amazing as that all is, how exactly dose that all fit in with a God who created the universe just for humanity? If the universe was created for us, then what good is all that extra space if it has no effect on our own lives? Was God just bored when he started creating other stars that have nothing to do with his great plan for us? Some might argue that those planets might have aliens and that they are apart of God's plan too. But if aliens are real, then it means God did not create the universe just for us humans to rule over because we share it with other life forms. Thus humanity and life on earth are not that special. If Aliens don't exist, then what is the point in God creating other worlds and making the universe as large as it is? If only humans exist and they are the center of God's plan, then why not shrink down the universe so all would just be focus on life here on earth? Also worth pointing out is that the universe is belived to be over 13. Billion years old. I have found that even some creationist have tried admitting this but attempted to manipulate the facts to support an intelligent designer. If the universe is that old and humanity is the center of God's plan, what was God doing for over 13.billion years between the beginning of the universe and the creation of humanity?
  7. I work at a grocery store, not exactly a job I like to begin with, and recently we put out put a special display for Christian books. Not too long ago I took a look and notice there were some written by our Ray Comfort that were pretty anti-evolution. It annoyed me that we were selling books that sold creationist propaganda but let it roll off. Today, I found that they added some more books to the display and the kind we are selling now really pissed me off. Here is one the books our store is selling to give you an idea what kind of christian literature they are. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Strategy_of_Satan.html?id=ZM_IBGik2i4C Yeah, our local grocery store is selling people fire and brimstone cult propaganda. How is this any better than giving a display to Scientology or any other cult that uses fear? I find it very disturbing that there are enough people living in my area that believe in the spiritual warfare junk that books like this can sold in public stores. When I was Christian I found myself practicing spiritual Warfare, which was introduce to me by my Christian "counselor". Spiritual Warfare did a lot of damage to my life and my mental health. This did not help me feel better at all and only help confirmed that their are more people living in my area that really believe in this crap.
  8. Oh sorry. Meant to put this in the Rants and Replies.....
  9. For those of you who are lucky enough not to be aware of left behind, allow me to fill you in. Left Behind was a book sires about the end of the world as viewed by fundamentalist Christians. It takes place after the rapture of all the "real Christians" and focus on those who were left behind as they struggle to fight the Anti-Christ and await for Jesus to return. A film trilogy staring Kirk Cameron was made based off the books, which featured stupidity such as this scene...... Both the books and the movies were right winged, hate filled, war mongering, anti-peace, anti-reason, overly preachy, poorly thought out, fear based propaganda. The original books end with Jesus and all the newly converted Christians rejecting peace with the rest of world and end up committing mass genocide of all non-Christians. This included scenes of Jesus slaughtering soldiers and people from other religions begging with tear filled eyes to have their lives spared, right before Christ sends them all to hell forever! The Kirk Cameron Films also had the addition of being "Way of the Master" The movie. Well, its seems they are planing to remake the movies with a bigger budget. Including casting Nicolas Cage as Jesus! Okay, He wont be playing Jesus but that would be funny. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2467046/ In all seriousness, I'm a little disturbed this movie is getting a remake with a bigger budget and more well know actors. I will admit I use that word rather loosely with Cage, but still, something about this just bothers me. Any thoughts?
  10. Should we teach the bible in public schools, what are your thoughts? Some arguments from both sides. The Good. Like it or not, it can't be denied that the bible is one of the most influential written works on western civilization. It has played a key role in shaping cultures around the world and has inspired great works in art, literature, music and film. It has and still continues to have an influence on world politics. From a literature point of view it could be worth studying as mythology, in the same way we do with the Greek Myths. It's also an opportunity to teach people real Christian history and how we actually got the book. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, it could still help you in debates against Christians, become more self aware of whats actually in the book, learn the history of Christianity and better understand why religious people behave the way they do. The Bad Most of the people pushing for this just happen to be Evangelical Christians who also want creation to be taught in science class, teach kids that Jesus is the only true God and destroy the separation of church and state. They are clearly looking for an opportunity to convert kids into their religion. We would be unable to control all teachers and we would get people who want to preach but not teach. Resulting in Non-Christian students having someone else's religion forced on them. Also, why can't The Koran, the Vedas, or Buddhist scriptures have their own class in public schools but the Bible can? It would not just risk causing feuds between Religious and non-religious people but also feuds among Christians over which interpretations of the bible is to be taught. (Protestant, Catholic, Mormon, Ect) It could cause more trouble then its worth.
  11. Now that you've left Christianity, what are your views on Jesus now?
  12. I saw most of the first episode. The part that made me laugh the most was when it got to Lots story, which featured the two Angles kicking some serious ass! It also made me chuckle A little when Lot and his daughters leave the city and they say "They were never seen again". I guess little father on daughter action was little to much for TV. As for the rest, it had some of the typical laws that you would expect in these kinds of films. For example: Once again Most of the characters in the bible are white people with English accents, even if the book takes place in the mid-east and North Africa. I also agreed with Discem, that it would be great treat the bible in the same way we treat Greek myths. I was also disappointed that they decided to skip Joseph. I will admit I still kinda of like that story. Also, is it just me, or did the devil look a lot like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars?
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