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Fuego last won the day on June 21

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About Fuego

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    Vancouver, WA
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    singing, writing, computer geekery, cooking, science experiments, foreign languages, photography, gemstones
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    Was an "on fire" Christian for 30 years, now I lean more towards a pagan-ish bent. I have been in transition since October 2007, so I doubt that I've stopped changing just yet.

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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
    communing with nature

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  1. "I can't even imagine" The last church experience for me was a Russian Pentecostal funeral for a very sweet and kind lady, and the two families we used to hang with to help them with English. Hours long, but not too horrible. Balanced by seeing them again, and how much the kids had grown into fine adults. I wouldn't tolerate being subjected to preaching each week or more often, but then again I have no reason to be there. We've been invited to family holiday gatherings, but even those would be tense for a couple of them who see us as enemies of the cross, so we don't go.
  2. No, bruises, it spurred him on to study martial arts and become physically fit.
  3. I called out an assault once in our local paper. A kid had been beaten by a few others and the article was just talking about the problem of how to handle such things. I wrote in, "The last time I checked, assault was a crime and should be treated as such." Shortly after that, there were arrests. Not sure that I pushed them to act, but they should have led the way. My nephew was beaten by jocks with sticks in high school (before he became proficient at kung fu). He was afraid to go to the authorities, and knew (as I did) that the school would do nothing to their precious football players. I couldn't report it for him, so they got away with it.
  4. At my 30th reunion, I saw that some had matured and gone on to great lives, including some of the former bullies. Some were still stuck being the same jerks they were back then when they felt like the top of the Darwinian food chain. A few were watching me be sociable and took note because I was the most ultra-quiet introvert they'd ever known, and some of them had grown up with me through grade school. I had been a prime target for bullying since 1st grade, and each shift in school (middle school, high school, college) became better, less oppressive, more intelligent teachers, and more variety of concepts being taught. (I was just recalling how my middle school "science" teacher had no concept of the scientific method and was teaching it so totally wrong. The math teacher was probably 90 and was oblivious to kids setting fires on his desk. Middle school was hell for me.) Socially, I was like you. No dates, very few friends, and in retrospect I understand why. Oddly, church helped get me out of my shell socially, people accepting me and talking to me like normal humans instead of people I had to fear. I learned some of the ropes of dealing with sexual attraction and obsession repeatedly. Lots of heartache and learning reality versus fantasy relationships. My best years started about 13 years ago when I deconverted, lost a bunch of magical thinking and a fake worldview, and got started singing on stage with musicians. That has sadly come to a screeching halt due to the pandemic, but I had gained a new circle of friends and acquaintances. Some of the musicians I know are autistic and very witty people, and we tend to get along well.
  5. Agree. Most of the "woke" is simply a sense of common social injustices, or systemic bad behaviors. And I'm not sure how much of it is from an introspective view, or in the context of living things are one and using that to consciously modify our own choices, values, and behaviors.
  6. “Do not think that enlightenment is going to make you special, it’s not. If you feel special in any way, then enlightenment has not occurred. I meet a lot of people who think they are enlightened and awake simply because they have had a very moving spiritual experience. They wear their enlightenment on their sleeve like a badge of honor. They sit among friends and talk about how awake they are while sipping coffee at a cafe. The funny thing about enlightenment is that when it is authentic, there is no one to claim it. Enlightenment is very ordinary; it is nothing special. Rather than making you more special, it is going to make you less special. It plants you right in the center of a wonderful humility and innocence. Everyone else may or may not call you enlightened, but when you are enlightened the whole notion of enlightenment and someone who is enlightened is a big joke. I use the word enlightenment all the time; not to point you toward it but to point you beyond it. Do not get stuck in enlightenment.” Adyashanti My take on that quote is that enlightenment is bringing a light into a previously dark room. We don't stop there and write songs about the difference the light made, and grin stupidly at the wonder of the light and how we can see. The light shows us what is there, now what will we do with it?
  7. Glad that you are making definite plans. The virus has certainly changed a lot of our plans, so hoping you are able to get out and not look back. Hoping your sister is able to find her strength and find a way out also.
  8. Here's a couple more. Peachy god, huh? OT: Lev 5:17 "If anyone sins and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, even though they do not know it, they are guilty and will be held responsible." NT: Luke 12:47-48 "“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
  9. The best scholars disagree on the question of whether there was a literal person who started the cult (and I'd add, especially if it actually started as a Gnostic mystery cult).
  10. Absolutely! Beliefs about sex being impure, and especially any "other" sex... Religion, culture, racism, all these abstractions that we treat as absolutes cause so much harm. Seeing natural drive as base, impure, disgusting, evil, etc led monks to cut off their genitals while others indulged and then blamed and tortured women (and boys) for being demons. Insanity that our culture has been taught is true and the very basis of good morals! That made wide reaching trauma for millions of people for centuries.
  11. I see about the same distribution, but I live near Portland and there's not a culture of shame associated with being "other" here, though there are still violent jerks that are willing to harm anyone who is different. I'd say a quarter to a third of those in my circle have an "other" status (Gay, Lesbian, Queer, Trans, Bi, etc).
  12. Here's a link to the Lenormand site run by my friend's daughter http://emilyrosedivination.com/
  13. I never studied it myself. My friend's daughter teaches classes in Portland and it said to be very adept at it. It starts by the questioner asking something specific, then she deals a pattern and talks about what she sees. It is similar to tarot in that regard, but the cards and methods are very different.
  14. Human relationships... So many things we endure to make them "work". I'd draw the line at going to the building, since the virus is causing long lasting damage for some, death for a few, huge hospital bills, etc. Especially for those who are compromised, there is no magic to protect them from the bug.
  15. Dang. So much for my degrees... McDowell is a liar and knows that he is so. He didn't set out as an agnostic to disprove Christianity, he was already a believer and used his marketing ability to sell books and speaking engagements. All the documents he references are after the cult was well established, so they prove nothing at all but that the cult existed and people wrote about it. The epistles are full of the same black and white, nearly racist approach to unbelievers being dogs that eat vomit, pigs that wallow in filth, weeds fit only to be torn up and burned, while the believers are pure, shining like lights in the darkness, blah blah blah. How many believers do you know that fit that description? It's like reading KKK pamphlets about blacks and Jews. Paul makes arguments that nature itself teaches that the bible god is real, which it does not at all. But he wrote as one who was himself indoctrinated from childhood, so of course he repeats the same lies. And "wouldn't die for a lie" is an insane claim. People believe lies all the time, even bizarre ones, and then die for the beliefs. The comet cult Heaven's Gate is one recent example. That they believed it was true didn't make it true. And to top it off, the claims that the gospels are eyewitness accounts is false just by reading them and looking for what they say that they could not have witnessed. The story of the wise men and Herod; the conversations between members of the Jewish leadership; the conversations between Pilate and the Jewish leaders; and so on. Plus we know from actual history about how the various writings about Jesus were selected while others were rejected. Names of authors were not preset and were added later to make it seem authoritative. Then there are the many cosmological errors, such as Jesus ascending "up" into the clouds (and then into Heaven, which apparently is above the clouds). We fly airplanes there all the time, and have spacecraft that go far beyond. Earth is a speck of dust in a vast cosmos, and all the tyrants and messiahs of history were on that speck.
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