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Fuego last won the day on June 9

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  • Birthday 03/18/1964

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    singing, writing, computer geekery, cooking, science experiments, foreign languages, photography, gemstones
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    Was an "on fire" Christian for 30 years, now I lean more towards a pagan-ish bent. I have been in transition since October 2007, so I doubt that I've stopped changing just yet.

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  1. Yes, and it is given a default respect instead of default creepy-feeling of a cult. The idea of sin, the myth stories of the magic fruit tree, Noah, Goliath, etc are all way too familiar in our culture. If the religion had been reduced down to kindness, forgiveness, sharing your stuff, feeding the hungry, then it would have been an amazing thing instead of a psychotic blood cult focused on a payment for "forgiveness" and damnation in fire for everyone else. If there were buildings on every corner where people really thought that Spiderman was in charge of reality, and would weep knowing that they aren't being as obedient to his spidey-sense as they should be, all of them striving to be radioactive, and pushing for laws that reflected their beliefs since they ARE REALITY after all, would their beliefs be respected? How about the ones that really think they are part of Star Fleet and dress the part? Not the cosplayers, the ones that really do believe it is real. But if there were millions of them, and had been for centuries, and had sway over the cultures around us...
  2. ...and then their foul reply "Well, you can CHOOSE to BELIEVE that if you want...blah blah blah." I was pondering this morning how believers in the cult are conditioned to think of non-believers as "rejecting" Jesus, when really nobody gives him any more thought than Thor.
  3. The church has been hating and killing for a very long time. Ever read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? The descriptions of the inquisition tortures (often for stupid things like listing the 10 commandments in the wrong order) were so cruel, and in front of other family members who were then also killed slowly. It is written from a Christian perspective, but the ruin the church poured out on "heretics" was horrible and justified by labeling anything "other" as a deception of Satan. Read through Peter (or even the words of Jesus) some time and see how he labels unbelievers as dogs, weeds fit only to be burned, pigs that wallow in shit, as compared with the pure, clean, upright believers. That's where all this crap comes from. Believers actually see themselves as pure light in a world of darkness and demonic possession. And a lot of them are lawmakers, judges, and enforcers.
  4. Lots of other guys out there, no sense in sticking with one that is on the crazy train. Crazy can be a lot of things, but you seem to already know how he obsesses. With religion, he'll have others from the cult telling him it's all true, so that will make it nearly impossible to escape. He'll be doing his best to get you onboard also. Then you can look forward to a lifetime of the crazy shell-game of religion, won't that be wonderful? Best to cut and run and don't look back, in my opinion.
  5. "To be fair, Evangelicalism is not a monolith. Some Evangelicals eschew one or more of these teachings. Also to be fair, theologians proffer complicated work-arounds for all of them." This shell game is another mind-fuck, and it takes a lot of forms. "MY God isn't like that, my God is ___". I just witnessed this on Facebook where a psychic medium talked about Jesus being one of her guides, and an Evangelical objected. The medium countered that she has a relationship with Jesus and no one gets to judge that... This is a demonstration of the spectrum of belief surrounding Jesus. For believers, claim a promise, any promise... go ahead. When it utterly fails to happen, get this... IT STILL HAPPENED because he's faithful all the time, it just looks different than what you expected (the shell game). Alternatively, you may hear that God can say no. Even when he promised. But that's for your own good. Or you may hear that he's not a cosmic vending machine that dances to our tunes (how's that for a mixed metaphor?). Go ahead and object to all this falderal and you'll hear "Well, now you're just being contentious" like that's a bad thing. Contending for truth is a good thing. What they mean is you aren't submitting to their explanation and continuing to be a naive sheep that only goes with the flow and gives money. I went to church with a guy back in my Nazarene days, he had a ton of issues that the church didn't want to deal with, and he complains out loud about God failing. But he keeps going. He was in a Bible study bringing up issues, and the lady running it shut him down. But he keeps going. I wish I could talk to him now and see if it is just a social circle thing. He would do a lot better with a different circle. He also seemed gay now that I think back, but he'd probably never admit that.
  6. It is yet another group that says all the others have it wrong. Their catch line is that faith in Jesus isn't what a lot of people think, it has to do with obedience. "To believe in Jesus is to believe in his words and obey his words." They have lots of smiling videos and testimonies of transformation, like all tech savvy groups these days. They imply that this is the "last" one, giving a sense of "Yeah! We're doing it right! We're going to transform the world!" Which is basically what every high-school/college believer wants to think. Back in my day it was a cult group called Maranatha, extremely controlling, manipulating emotions, and look we have a major sports star!!! They hurt a lot of people through the psychological pressure they used. I had a buddy end up in a psycho ward for a while after he went full manic thinking he was a prophet meant to save all of Korea. He stopped sleeping, wouldn't listen to reason, was convinced he was hearing directly from God, all the usual manic-break stuff (I've seen it a handful of times now). He crashed hard and slept for days, and was feeling like a failure for a long time but pulled out of it and it doing well now. So, yes it is a cult. Then again, Christianity is a cult with many faces. Even the mediocre social versions are like a virus waiting to mutate in someone that suddenly takes it seriously. The Bible isn't historically valid, the stories are just stories, the gospels are not eyewitness accounts, the miracles didn't happen, Moses and the Exodus never happened, there was no magic fruit tree and a talking snake, nobody outside of the cult ever noticed Jesus and his multitudes and miracles (they didn't happen), nobody noticed people rising from the dead in Jerusalem when Jesus died (because they didn't). Christianity is a shell game of someone thinking they found a great secret, and then constantly moving it around while throngs of people try to follow the hidden pea. Then they are told even when the "great and precious promises" fall flat that God still answered and is faithful all the time, it just looks different than they expected.
  7. Any chance you can quit going home for the holidays? Maybe a friend's family as a substitute, or go visit a new place? Family is overrated as important. In the end, they are just people. My own religious family never initiates contact with me unless there's been a death or something big. When a family has a bunch of insane beliefs that rule their lives, there is no point in being around them, especially if they are causing you such turmoil and disrespecting your boundaries. That means they still see you as a child. I remember that I was taught in church men's meetings to disrespect boundaries of common privacy because we were "our brother's keeper", and had to make sure that people were being holy, for their sake and so god wouldn't punish the church for disobedience (LOTS of bible examples of that kind of insane behavior). There is no good that can come from such crazy-making people.
  8. I was wondering also, though I don't miss the snarky nasty stuff.
  9. Howdy! My social circle disappeared after leaving church. I started doing things that I enjoyed and ended up finding a new circle of people. I'd call a few of them friends, most are still at a social level. About 12 years ago, I took voice lessons and at the nudge of a friend started singing at a jazz club, piano bars, jazz jams, and such. It was fun, scary, challenging, and got me out with other people doing creative things. There are a few Christian-Lite (mostly Catholic or Lutheran) people, but most are not. I've only encountered one mostly-fundy (who is an outstanding jazz singer) but that's rare. I never hear from the old crowd at all, or even most of my believer family. I'm fine with that for the most part. The cult has a lot more power down where you live, and is so part of the social culture that its hard to escape it. Besides bars, you might try the arts communities and see if you click with anything. Artists tend to think more freely.
  10. Thank you, I appreciate that.
  11. Things like that are reality smacking them in the face, but the social pressure to fit in at church, and to not admit having spent years on a lie, are emotionally huge. My brother lost a child to a stupid accident (slid on ice over a cliff with his girlfriend) and they had to turn it into a witnessing opportunity, and claim at every point how they didn't know how they could have made it without Jesus helping them. It is truly sad to see people so caught in a trap like this.
  12. And sadly the True Believers™ that remain are more entrenched than ever. I tried engaging one on why her god hadn't responded to some recent tragedies. Kablooie, Blocked. Happily, the same attitude is valuable in showing non-believers the cult nature of the church.
  13. Most people convert because a friend or someone convinced them that "God loves you!!!!" I saw people come in from several 12-step programs that are dependent on a higher-power belief. A few come to a church play and get sniffly over Jesus being crucified, and fall for the bait about it being "all for you". Back in the day, hell and damnation were threats that seemed to work on some people, but usually in cultures that were already steeped in Christianity. All that to say that people don't convert because of philosophy or facts, but emotional manipulation and a feeling of belonging. The gospel is set up to create a sort of Stockholm Syndrome where the abusive god of the Bible becomes seen by his victims as the ultimate source of love and good, and they won't hear anything to the contrary (Don't piss Him off, he'll hurt us!).
  14. Yeah, my main goal in this is to translate the "Where the hell did this come from?" that I keep hearing. I've had one more comment from a lady that saw someone actually say that abortion clinics were offering babies to Satanists. That's a less common myth in fundy circles, but not entirely uncommon. In my experience with church, "I heard" often equates to "fact" in the minds of many. I guess that applies to social media also.
  15. Dude! The guy is having a serious issue every day and you make fun of it? Knock it off. And you don't have to quote the entire post to make a response.
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