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    singing, writing, computer geekery, cooking, science experiments, foreign languages, photography, gemstones
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    Was an "on fire" Christian for 30 years, now I lean more towards a pagan-ish bent. I have been in transition since October 2007, so I doubt that I've stopped changing just yet.

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  1. Not a biologist, but I suppose that the more popular an female with particular adaptations was (blue eyes, better logic, or something), and if her offspring also were popular, then those genes would be carried onward. Any particular female in our distant lineage would still be limited to maybe a dozen surviving children over her life. And as those mingle and breed with other tribes, the females carry on the mitochondrial link, and so it spreads across people groups over time. The single female was just one of many at the time, but for whatever reason her offspring mated and were successful in surviving as they spread across the lands with different tribes.
  2. Really ancient civilizations are so intriguing. The Minoans are fascinating, but we have no Rosetta Stone documents to decipher their writings. I wonder how many existed that we haven't found yet. I saw another talk on the vast civilizations that were visited by Europeans, and weren't there the next time visitors arrived due to the sicknesses the first ones brought. Some of those are being uncovered by satellite imagery.
  3. Other corollary stories that are based on the primitive cosmology are the Tower of Babel ("bab" is gate, "el" is god) which spooked god into scrambling their languages (babble), and when Jesus floated "up" to heaven above the clouds, the same place we fly airplanes and spacecraft. This is echoed in other primitive faiths like Islam where Mohammed flew to heaven on a flying horse.
  4. I think that description applied to some of the ancients as well. Their gods were essentially like humans with all of our character flaws, but they had power over our lives. They had to be appeased with offerings, but would still do shitty things. Medusa was a beautiful virgin in the temple of Athena, but Poseidon raped her and so Athena kicked her out of the temple and turned her into a monster. Totally shitty. Homer wrote the Iliad/Odyssey as a sort of Book of Job about rejecting the gods because people were irritated at the immature gods.
  5. A few things I've experienced: After my deconversion, I went with my wife to a New Age crystal/book store. In one section, it felt like I was being hugged by my mom (passed away long ago). Such a feeling of peace and acceptance. Every time I would walk to that spot, I'd feel this. They called it a vortex to the other side. I have no idea, but it was repeatable. The section was witchcraft, and though I gravitate towards nature and the cycles of nature, spells don't really have any appeal to me. Actions and attitudes are more important to spirituality. I try not to get caught up in invisible worlds that I can't verify, or religious judgments like karma and such. I'm here, and while I'm here, what do I want to embody? In processing my old faith, I started writing and really going over the details of what I had believed and if any of it was still valuable. I had a dream where I was chatting with a woman who asked me, "Is there anything worthwhile in it?" I replied "Yes. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, if you have two coats share with him who has none." Kindness, compassion, empathy, actually helping others. None of the religion has any value, but when we make kindness our way in life by default, all of humanity gets better little by little. Even Jesus made that the deciding factor at his sheep and goats story. I've had mushrooms a few times and a newer substance that help give me a new perspective on me, how I interact with others, my own motivations, my attitudes, and how I view "reality". That affects how I place value on stuff and people, and helps me see more clearly what I really value and what I would like to become. It's like years of psychotherapy in a few hours. Others say that they can also be difficult if one doesn't wish to see inside one's motivations and behaviors. The most important thing is to allow them to show you what they want to tell you (what you on a deep level want to tell you, all life is connected really). Fighting and trying to stay in control it makes it more difficult and unpleasant. Relaxing and an attitude of openness to learning and experiencing is key. Float on the current they provide and then process later what you experienced. The mindset you have, and the setting of the place where you do this is hugely important in how the experience will be. So what you are feeling is good. Our feelings and senses are how we view reality and participate in it. The flip side of depression can rob people of any joy and hope for change. You have something that is giving you feelings of acceptance and love, and that is largely what I get when I "journey" with mushrooms in addition to having a more basic perspective on life and relationships. It isn't pursuing more stuff, prestige, fame, position, but recognizing how life is connected, how important it is to care for the planet and for others. That way I can live simply and find joy. Or I can be at work doing technical things that others don't understand, but it is about helping not arrogance.
  6. I haven't watched it yet, just the hour long droning interview. The Jews were in shock and upheaval after the destruction of the temple, and looking for some answers since YHWH was supposed to actually live in the middle and hadn't done anything to stop the pagan Romans. There were already factions opposing the Romans, and differing sects of Judaism, with probably even more small cults. The story of Jesus Barabbas (son of the father) and Jesus Christ echoed strongly the Yom Kippur tradition of sacrificing one goat to God to atone for the sins of the priests, and releasing the other into the wilderness to take away the sins of the people. The Jews would have recognized that. Gentiles would not. So this points to the strong Judaic ties that the original cult had. None of Christianity was written down until Paul (who had never met Jesus) started writing his version of the faith. The apostles (who had met Jesus) got into a tiff with Paul over Gentiles in the church, and how they weren't being good Jews. Paul negotiated with them so that the Gentiles wouldn't have to be burdened with laws. Paul is who made the story accessible to the average Joe, particularly in other countries. Prior to his writings, religions didn't really talk about the afterlife being accessible for most people, only heroes in war or great kings. Most just went to the underworld with the rest of the dead. But here comes a religion saying, yes your life sucks being a peasant, but in the afterlife you will be in paradise with a god that loves you. Huge selling point for faith in that god. The gospels and epistles from various writers seem to be dismissive of other accounts of Jesus, and the tiff between the apostles and Paul, and even other variants of the cult are fairly clear. This is something even the Christian historians realize, though most believers just try to harmonize it all as one story. The documentary points out things like how in Mark, Jesus tells his disciples that he talks to the crowd in parables but to his inner circle he gives them the deep secrets. The "eat my flesh and drink my blood" line is part of that. This guy says that relates to agriculture and winemaking, part of Dionysus worship. The other documentary I watched linked this to the magic mushroom that has a red juice. Hidden truths revealed to the true believers is the basis of every mystery religion ever. "We've got the secrets to the spiritual reality behind this one, and by going through our lessons and paying us, we reveal the truth to you." Scientology is big on this, as is Mormonism. But if Jesus were ever real, then the faith was likely just a very small cult. Paul (if he was even real) made it accessible for the rest of the world, and started a relatively new thing of the average person getting into bliss after a life of hardship which made the religion explode throughout the Roman and Greek worlds.
  7. The mystery religion connection is still fascinating to me. Parables being used to hide the truth was huge in those religions. "An ear of corn reaped in silence" was one mystery parable that was supposed to be the culmination of many teachings, but we are left going "Hmm. Ok."' It seems like they are taking a different mystery angle, with agriculture instead of the amanita mushroom angle.
  8. This is a 12-minute history video that talks about how Greeks and Jews talked about these creatures, and how Judaism/Christianity made them all evil. Judaism wanted to create a stark monotheism out of a long history of polytheism and animism, so anything that was godlike became "daimon", like the gods of the non-Jews. Angels in Judaism were considered different, not really acting on their own. But the Greeks held that any creature between the gods and Earth were "daimon", and that we even have at least one inside each of us, a muse of sorts. All the other cultures whose writings we can read also had similar views. We are still unable to decode the unique Minoan writing, an apparent combination of pictographs and letters like hieroglyphs. It seems that pre-science humans developed the abstract thought that anything that was mysterious has a personality associated with it (disease, celestial objects, terrestrial objects and life, lightning, wind, "fortune"). I remember talking with an African teenager who said that his village worshiped the spirit of the river. All of these are insights into how humans regarded themselves and the environment. Romans had being for everything, like Janus who faces two directions at once, who was associated with doorways, new years, and decision making. Amulets and spells for invoking or placating daimons were common. And of course religious leaders always found a way to make a profit off of such beliefs, and insisted that atheists were dangerous to society. I do wish we had more actual information regarding pre-historic humans and how they interpreted themselves and the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee3HQ_luNqE
  9. Welcome! Christianity tries to give a simple black and white, one size fits all, any who reject are damned message. For a very long time, that fear contrasted with alleged love of god was enough to convert hundreds of millions of people. That and forced conversions by governments egged on by the church. The fear it can create is a very deeply felt thing by many, as is the guilt it creates for simple things like sexual desire, which is entirely normal and should not have any shame associated with it. Christianity portrays the world as created by their god, and that there is an enemy (the devil), and that people need to be saved or they will be damned. It is a simplistic, cruel, and wrong approach to life. Just a cursory reading of most of the Bible shows that this "god" is evil, has a strong thirst for blood, generally kills anyone who disobeys, and requires very odd things from followers like mutilating their genitals. In short, it is an old obscure tribal cult that happened to become very popular. None of it is real. The cosmology of the bible is absurd. Examples are god getting scared of people building a tall tower (Bab-El, gate to god), as though heaven was just above the clouds; Jesus ascending "up" into heaven, just above the clouds (there is no up in space, it goes forever in all directions). We fly planes above the clouds all the time, and even have spacecraft that have flown outside the solar system. Other religions like Islam have this same primitive view of cosmology, with Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse. Like many cults, it wants to control the members and keep them obedient and scared (though many would deny this, I've been to far too many meetings where people are weeping over how very human they are, since they keep expecting to become like a magic obedient Jesus). They want to eliminate other religions, because they consider all of them to be from the devil. Sex and lust are called sinful because it is a basic drive common to nearly all life, and thus makes an easy "problem" that people can never cure, and have to keep coming back to the church to confess sin. But again, it is absolutely normal to have sexual drives, and there is a spectrum of variety in those drives. You've also encountered how very human the leaders are, preferring their own leisure time to helping someone with real questions. Leaders here, at least in big churches, are often rich. A local "pastor of pastors" has several gold and diamond rings on his fingers, and loads of businessmen surrounding him to protect him from questions. Questions are met with "We think you'd be happier somewhere else." They want sheep that they can control easily. Many believers are uncomfortable with questions. Questions are the opposite of blind faith, and that is the one thing that they crave. Serious believers weep, desperately wanting to "die to self" and be crucified so that they don't question or even desire anything contrary to whatever god wants. It's a strange cult that way, and the ideal is always out of reach. Is there a god? I'd say nothing like the human-figure kind that sit on thrones and judge people. Not all of us here are atheist entirely. I am atheist in the sense that most of the gods of religions are not real beings, but more like facets of being, and that we are all together (that is all living things) part of "god" or the spark of life. Again, welcome! I hope that you can find your way away from the cult of Christianity and into a path that is wholesome and helps you in life.
  10. Interesting talk on the timeline, possible origin, and possible impending changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfv7Lw4Y_s
  11. I just made a batch the other day, though I haven't grown my own (no room for a garden now). I also make ginger tea by simmering the sliced-up roots in water for about 40 min. Made a few gallons last weekend that I keep in the fridge.
  12. When believers are trying to convert someone, belief is the easiest most simple thing ever. Once you are in, and get experience with different flavors of the faith in different congregations and denominations, you find quite a lot of variation on both how and what to believe. When you talk about deconverting, they claim that you didn't believe just the right way. It is a constant shell-game of "THIS is real Christianity, not THAT". DestinyTurtle said it very well "Don't get caught up in the constant goal-post shifting and weaponized delegitimization of people's experiences." Look at the emotional reactions people had in scriptures, like Zacchaeus who was thrilled that Jesus noticed him, and who announced that he was giving half his wealth to the poor, was going to give back money he had taken (he was a tax gatherer for the Romans and would take extra for himself) and was going to make any wrongs he'd done right. Jesus announced to the crowd that salvation had come to this house, and that this was a true son of Abraham. No fancy words, no mental exercises, no creeds or speaking in tongues, nothing but becoming kind and generous based on listening to what Jesus was saying. So yes, you were a believer, and then saw through the religion. Personally, I sifted out everything except the kindness and generosity parts. Those make humanity better when we each practice them. Even Jesus made them the only criteria he uses at the throne when he separates the sheep from the goats. Not that I think or believe in any kind of judgment coming or even a judge of my life other than myself, just seeing the goodness that we can embody vs not.
  13. At the time I did this, I only had room for some clay pots instead of a full-fledged garden. I usually do rosemary, thyme, sage, and basil. Basil gets eaten by bugs the most, the others are hardy. They are great for cooking. Little snips go into a stew or salad.
  14. I thought the article did a good overview of what it means. Not much to add, except that it come from who you are to the one you worship. When I visited a shaman in the area of Sedona, she said to bring some items from home: water, ground, plants. Not a lot, just something. So I brought something from the nature around my home, and from my garden since I put myself into growing the plants. It was an offering to the local area, my nature touching the nature there. Simple, but meaningful.
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