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dB-Paradox

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  1. These women were smart!
  2. Thought you were 'pro-life.' Maybe not so much, then. 'Twas a joke, My damn X. (<---that was a joke, too, so don't take any offense...after all, I'm just a pair of ducks!) But Jaded said it best. I'd also like to add that while I don't believe in the death penalty per se, there ARE people who should get it. "But I thought I was pro-life??? If I believe the fetus should be given the chance to live and become human, then why do I think some serial killers need to be put to death?" So, you can easily see how one can be pro-life, and pro-death sentence at the same time. It's absurd to make a comparison between a fetus and a serial killer! Besides, putting a murderer to death might actually save more lives. Thus the death penalty is STILL pro-life in that sense. Lose one life, save a few more. Of course, I know it was a joke. But I suspected that maybe there was more to it … and you produced nicely. So, OK. 1. You don't believe in the death penalty, yet you do (see your bolded statement) 2. A fetus deserves 'life' therefore no abortion 3. However a serial killer can be killed, no prob, because killing that person is actually a 'pro-life' thing to do Do I understand you correctly? No, you don't understand me correctly.
  3. I agree. Personal (subjective) morals and values. In fact, this thread is living proof that WLC is wrong when he talks about objective morality. It may exist on *some* levels, but clearly, morality is a subjective thing.
  4. Thought you were 'pro-life.' Maybe not so much, then. 'Twas a joke, My damn X. (<---that was a joke, too, so don't take any offense...after all, I'm just a pair of ducks!) But Jaded said it best. I'd also like to add that while I don't believe in the death penalty per se, there ARE people who should get it. "But I thought I was pro-life??? If I believe the fetus should be given the chance to live and become human, then why do I think some serial killers need to be put to death?" So, you can easily see how one can be pro-life, and pro-death sentence at the same time. It's absurd to make a comparison between a fetus and a serial killer! Besides, putting a murderer to death might actually save more lives. Thus the death penalty is STILL pro-life in that sense. Lose one life, save a few more.
  5. I think there are some adults who need to be aborted.
  6. Who wants a pizza? I'm getting a large Hawaiian and All-Dressed with a 2L Coke.
  7. Hilarious!! Not exactly a motivational speaker, was she?!
  8. Do you know what the most annoying this is regarding this discussion (and others as long as this)? The quote function is confusing! I'm finding myself trying to find the end of the quote, and the beginning of the reply! lol
  9. Yeah, you're not going to win me with that argument. He was about as pro life as Attila the Hun. Like a lot of conservatives, he would argue pro life positions while supporting Isreali zionism and mindless, never-ending war against the Islamic hoards. I'm sure the million or so dead or deposed Iraqis are lining up to thank him for his 'pro-life' position. I think pro-life regarding potential innocent human life is one thing, and "pro-life" regarding evil human slaughter is quite another. Just because I'd be the first to put a bullet in Hitler's head, for example, doesn't mean I'm not pro-life...quite the contrary.
  10. Whether or not the OP is still struggling through a deconversion or not has little bearing on his opinions on the subject. Remember, Christopher Hitchens was as devout an atheist, or anti-theist, as anyone, and he placed himself in the pro-life camp.
  11. The argument goes like this: Jesus' tomb was empty, and he was seen alive by his closest followers and then to 500 other people. Apologists claim that the Jewish authorities could have produced the corpse of Jesus to squash any further stories of these Jesus sightings, but since they didn't, he MUST have risen from the dead! Elvis' coffin was claimed to contain a wax figure of him, and he was actually still alive and seen by various people. His family, or the state, or whatever, could easily dig up his grave and show that there is a decomposing corpse of Elvis inside, squashing such stupid theories, but they don't because no one takes such claims seriously. The same goes for the silence of the Sandy Hook families. The reason they're not giving any attention to the Truthers is not because the Truthers are on to something, but because the Truthers are not taken seriously. Likely, no one took the newly created Jesus cult or their claims seriously, which is why the Jewish authorities didn't spend extra energy into finding the corpse of Jesus and producing it. That, and the empty tomb tradition probably didn't start circulating until 25 years or so after Jesus' death. Does this make sense, how I'm trying to tie a modern day example of an "empty grave" theory to the much older one?
  12. In my judgement, it's not a good reason for an abortion, but that's my own personal judgement and conviction. I feel it's wrong to deny a woman an abortion, ever, under any circumstance. But that doesn't mean I agree with any and all reasons for getting one.
  13. Curious, how exactly does this work. Shall we elect you to be the one to judge a woman's story of how she got to be pregnant? Really? Why resort to this below the belt shot? "I *personally* am pro-life..." "I am not anti-abortion." "But "Oops, we got preggo" is not something I sympathize with the couple." These are my personal convictions and nothing more. Any woman should have the right to get an abortion for any reason at all, but why does that mean I have to agree with her decisions? I was quite disappointed to read your response, to say the least. I felt I was being quite honest and fair and your response sounded like it was coming from a place of sarcasm. Why so?
  14. In regards to whether or not atheists should be pro-life...I don't think one way or the other. I *personally* am pro-life, and I hate to sound like C.S. Lewis here, but I'm going to rip off one of his quotes and tailor it for this topic. "To argue against pro-life is to argue against that which has given you the ability to argue in the first place". (At least when using the quote in this context, it holds water...in regards to God, not so much!) I am not anti-abortion. I believe there are times when it can and should be used. Rape, for one. Physical health, being another. But "Oops, we got preggo" is not something I sympathize with the couple. Either raise the baby, or give it up for adoption. I'm sure there are plenty of same sex couples that would LOVE to have a new addition to their home! Also, I am pro-life beyond the womb. I disagree with war, death penalty, assisted suicide, etc... However, if someone so badly wants to die and nothing will make them feel better, I would sympathize with assisted suicide, only because the person wanting it is (presumably) capable of making the decision.
  15. I was only four years old when Elvis died, and so I only remember hearing stories of the Elvis sightings years later. But I'm trying to make a modern day connection with these claims and how no one took the seriously, and how the claims that Jesus' tomb was found empty and that he was alive again was not taken seriously. What I'm wondering is, did anyone take a serious look at the Elvis claims? Was his grave ever exhumed and his coffin opened up to prove a decomposing corpse lay inside? I'm assuming not, but before I use it as an argument on a Christian, I just want to be 100% certain. Thanks!
  16. Of course I've heard of the word but never with the xtian religion generally speaking. Of course there were sects within the xtian thing that were easily identified as cults but never the entire organization. Sorry, my bad....
  17. I was watching a video on YouTube by a user named David Withun who was talking about the history of the logos. He talks about Philo of Alexandria making the logos/God connection which the gospel of John later expands on. I sent him an email asking if he thinks Richard Carrier is a reliable historian, and he cautioned me as to his accuracy of information. Does anyone here know if Carrier is reliable or not?
  18. The whole 'individual differences prove the truth of the account' can also count against it. As a story is verbally told and passed on, it will change slightly, as in the game of telephone. And furthermore, we have reason to believe that Matthew and Luke used Mark as one of their primary sources. Therefore Matthew, Mark and Luke can't be considered three independent accounts.
  19. Sorry about another Truther post, but this one has a positive spin... In talking with a Truther who made the comment that all he wanted to see was ONE tear in regards to the families of the Sandy Hook shooting, I responded with, "Even if you did see the tears, you'd say GREAT ACTING!" Another Truther came aboard and reworded what I said like this: "You would say different if there was different". It struck me as a particularly useful comment when it comes to Christians when they tell me, "Even if God revealed himself to you, you still wouldn't believe." And for the record, I think I would believe if God revealed himself to me. Would I worship? That's a different question, but I would have no choice but to believe if I were given the empirical evidence.
  20. I LOVE the Christopher Nolan post! Haha! And honestly, I made this post to flesh out my thoughts to see how they look out in the open. And honestly, the Occam's Razor argument is one that makes so much sense, and seeing the Truthers' claims synonymous with religious claims are also a brilliant point.
  21. What? You hadn't heard of the term "cult" until after you began using it? I'm confused.
  22. Excellent! That's what I keep coming back to in my own mind.
  23. Recently, I've been watching videos by Truthers claiming that the Sandy Hook school shooting never happened, and that it's all just a push to change gun laws. Before I go any further, I need to clarify that I DO NOT share this opinion in the slightest. What follows are their reasons for their thinking: - There are contradictory accounts of how many shooters there were originally. - Some eyewitnesses seem to contradict their own stories. - Robbie Parker (father of Emilie, a 6 year old girl killed in the shooting) doesn't look sad when making his speech. He looks like he's acting. In fact, he's even seen smiling and laughing just moments before making his speech. This doesn't fit with what we would expect from a grieving father. - Emilie Parker is seen in a photo with Obama two days after the shooting, suggesting she never died. - None of the parents or staff interviewed have any tears while crying, suggesting that they are "fake crying". - The Dark Night Rises has a Sandy Hook reference in it (on a map) that suggests it was a planned event. - There are no photos of the dead bodies. Truthers will only believe the event happened when they see the photo evidence. - There is an owl reference that links the event to the Illuminati. I'm sure there are many more, but these are the more prominent ones. Every one of these is so stupid that it literally takes no brains to see that. But follow me here to see if we atheists are doing the same thing, and then offer some suggestions.... Like the Truthers, we atheists are saying "Unless there's eyewitness, historical evidence for the life of Jesus as portrayed in the gospels, we have no reason to believe he existed as the gospels say". Like the Truthers, we are pointing out inconsistencies in the stories of the gospels, and saying they don't fit with how we observe the world around us, and how they contradict each other internally as well. Like the Truthers, we are demanding physical evidence. Until we get any, we see no reason to think the Jesus story has much truth to it. Again, I'm not saying that the Truthers have any valid points. In fact, on every point they make, a logical and reasonable response can be made to counter it. However, what I am asking is if atheists look like Truthers in any way? How can we be justified in making our points while easily dismissing the points the Truthers make? This should be an interesting topic.
  24. There is so much failed prophesy in the bible, it's hard to take any of it seriously. Nostradamus made better predictions, and even they can be twisted to say what we want them to say. Like the story of Lot, turn from Christianity and don't look back. DON`T LOOK BACK!
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