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  1. Glad you’re here and glad you broke free from the chains of Christian bondage.
  2. Welcome, BookOfMicah. Glad you are here and that you left Mormonism/Christianity. Your name is very interesting. In honor of your name, I thought this quote from Micah might explain a lot: Therefore night will come over you, without visions, and darkness, without divination.The sun will set for the prophets, and the day will go dark for them.7 The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced.They will all cover their faces because there is no answer from God.” Micah 3:6-7
  3. Welcome, Mama28, Glad you came here and glad you began the self-examination that has led you to new revelations about yourself. As others have assured you, there is no hell. It does not exist, except in the minds of Christians. Yes, it is a mind thing, a form of brainwashing that Christians specialize in as they read scriptures to you out of context, fill you full of false guilt over non-existent “sins”, tell you adamantly what their false God demands of you (in your case, marriage and eight children) when they don’t even comprehend that an infinite God (as they claim to follow) cannot be understood by a finite human, yet they define their god in great detail in such a way to ensure they control you with the fire and fury of their so-called infinite God. Undoubtedly, you have been through hell, a man made hell, and now is the time to continue what you so wisely started. Continue to work toward freedom. You have come to the right place!
  4. Welcome, Canada27, Yeah, Christianity depends on faith/belief in Jesus as the Son of God, etc., etc. Without it, it all evaporates into thin air as I believe you experienced. I am Glad you were not so far into it that you had to struggle with letting it go as many who were lifetime Christians must. It can be a difficult ordeal, and I know this from personal experience. But, thankfully for you, you were not indoctrinated into the religion from birth. I am glad for you, and am especially glad you saw through it so quickly and dumped the religion in the trash heap where it belongs. i look forward to hearing more from you.
  5. BarnOwl, It’s the God of the Bible you are having a difficult time with. Frankly, I must say that taking the Bible as a whole, I think one must really jump through some difficult theological hoops to find the God of that book sympathetic to homosexuality. Some do it and I am glad that they can remain a part of the Christian faith if that makes them happy. But to me, the negative passages in the Bible toward homosexuality demonstrates its human (not divine) origins because the Biblical view does not take into account the strong evidence that people do not choose to be gay any more than others chooses to be straight. People are the way they are, like some are left handed and most are right handed. It’s not a choice, it’s who they are. In short, if you long for spirituality, don’t look for it in the Bible. Look for it deep within yourself. Meditate on it, think on it, try to find it because it is there in you (and all of us though expressed differently from person to person).
  6. Then by all means begin the process of bringing a halt to your suffering. Leave that which is not based in reality for that which is. Leave that false religion behind you with due haste and we will be here to help bring you through it.
  7. Welcome! Glad you’re here. I look forward to hearing more from you.
  8. Yes, this is the struggle I saw in your OP. If I understand your struggle, there are two things that you want, but in your mind, you cannot have both. So the struggle is whether to remain a Christian but not act on your natural desires as a gay man, suppress it, in other words, or give up Christianity and express your true self in the sense of being gay. Don’t make life any more difficult than it already is. If you still like Christianity and don’t want to give that up, then by all means, don’t. There are denominations out there that are very gay friendly, perform gay weddings, ordain gay men and women, etc. look for one of these churches that will accept you as you are. If you then want to leave Christianity, then deal with that issue once you are comfortable with yourself being gay. One step at a time.
  9. Welcome BarnOwl (cool name!). Glad you came to ExC to let it out and talk about the things that are bothering you. It sounds like there are two issues with which you are struggling. The first is coming out as gay. The second is coming out after leaving the Christian faith behind. i have some thoughts on this, but I am curious as to where you see these two issues intersecting in a way that, from my reading, you could hardly separate them. i ask this in a friendly and nonjudgmental manner and look forward to your response.
  10. It sounds like you got involved with a good group. So glad you had a positive experience.
  11. So sorry you are feeling such angst. The truth is that “blasphemy” is like “hell” in that neither exists. Try and get your mind off of such things and onto the excitement of meeting a group whom you understand and who understand you because all of you have been through the religious-related problems. You just might help some of those people and some of them just might help you to cope, too. Drop the thoughts of the non-existent so-called sin of blasphemy, and turn them to how exciting that meeting will be.
  12. Agreed. John is much more like the Jewish approach except for eternal life for believers. That was the author’s incentive for people to join the Christian movement.
  13. I am not at all surprised by the quoted defense of the doctrine of hell as the writer expressed it. Since I left Christianity, I have continued exploring the Bible and, in particular, the four Gospels. What I have seen is that at least by my reading, is that the common Christian concept of hell does not match the actual words in the Gospels. Hell is not that important in the Gospels, though many Christians definitely focus on it, especially certain preachers who use it to scare people into becoming Christians to avoid such described punishment. The Gospel that stands out the most to me that does not speak of eternal punishment is the Gospel of John. Take one of the most well known verses of the Bible, John 3:16. ”For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.” Now, let’s look at the obverse of that verse. It would be something like this: ”For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever does not believe in him shall perish and not have everlasting life.” In other words, the result of not believing in Jesus is not eternal torture in hell, but, instead, Jesus will not call nonbelievers from the grave so that from that point forward they will live forever like he will with believers. See John 6:40 (“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”) This reading of John requires reading John separately from the other Gospels and truthfully searching for the meaning of that Gospel and that Gospel alone and not allowing the other Gospels to bleed over into it. Bottom line is that the Gospel of John does not have hell, but only eternal life or eternal death (but no hellish torture).
  14. Hi, Bhim, I remember you and am glad to be back and also glad to be communicating with you. if I remember correctly, you were Hindu who converted to Christianity. You then started seeing the same problems with Christianity that are so commonly written about here, but which are not so easily dealt with. i am glad to hear that you were able to shed yourself of Christianity. And i, too, look forward to communicating with you.
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