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CalebMcCreary

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  1. Caleb,

    I just wanted to say hello and tell you that I am praying for your endeavor on this website. If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know. This website is unique and our role is pretty substantial.

  2. OK, in a civil way, I will ask what exactly you mean by this paragraph? What do I mean by this paragraph? Exactly what it says. If Jesus really rose from the dead, you have to take His claims to deity seriously. If He really is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to the Father, His resurrection would verify those claims. And we must stare face-to-face with the objective fact that this man claimed to be God and rose from the dead to prove it. We are left with no other choice. If Christianity's claim to the resurrection is right, EVERY OTHER RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS WRONG. There can be no talk of "everybody just says the same things differently" in regards to religion. To the Muslim, God is only one and to equate Christ with Allah is shirk. To the Jew, Jesus is not the Messiah. To some Buddhists and Hindus, there isn't even such thing as a personal creator God. So the point remains this: if Christ has risen, YOU are faced with achoice. Accept Him for who He is or reject Him. It is black and white.The results one way or the other are spelled out clearly in Scripture. And this is why I still say you are full of it. It is one thing to spout nonsense about how the gospels are historical fact, and quite another to say that we MUST do anything at all with this information. You are setting up a false dichotomy and expect us to buy it? PLEEZE Personally I never thought the notion in religion that "everybody just says the same things differently" was legitimate either. Where do you get the idea that any of us believe that? You are right that Buddhists do not believe in a personal creator God. We don't believe in God, that Christ was god, that he resurrected either. EVEN IF HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, we do not need to do ANYTHING with this information. It has no impact whatsoever on our lives. You can repeat it until you are blue in the face and it makes no difference WHATSOEVER to us. Do you get this? Don't come on here telling any of us what we HAVE TO DO. The fact is we don't care and there is no reason for us to, having freed ourselves from the brainwashing of Christianity. So Deva, you would be so bold as to say that if Christ rose from the dead, it means nothing? You woud look at this amazing event and say "Oh well...not that big of a deal."? The ramifications of this are HUGE. If He rose, His claims to being God are true! Everything else He claims and says then fall into place, including the all important command to repent and believe the Gospel! I'm not telling you what you HAVE to do. The choice is yours. You can reject Him...God does not coerce love. He wants you to love Him freely, but He never forces anyone to choose Him. However, the consequences of choosing not to accept the paid penalty for your sin on the cross means that you bear the responsibility for your sin. Scripture makes that clear and it also delineates that you have the choice. Reject Him at your own peril. Deva, I make no presumptions on here to judge you or to lord anything over you or anyone else on this site. I am simply here to warn you of the results of sin and where it leads. What you do with that knowledge is completely out of my hands. I would hope that every person would turn from their sin and accept the free gift of salvation through Christ, but I cannot change your heart or anyone else's. Only you can choose to respond to God's call on your heart to repent and believe the Gospel. - Caleb
  3. Hi, Caleb,

    I read your thread "Ask Me A Question." I got on this board rather late to ask you my question.

    But here they are:

    1. Would your arguments make sense if you replaced the word "God" with the Large Purple Marble.

    2. You stated at one point that you could not argue outside the Bible. What would happen to your religion if all the Bibles...

  4. OK, in a civil way, I will ask what exactly you mean by this paragraph? What do I mean by this paragraph? Exactly what it says. If Jesus really rose from the dead, you have to take His claims to deity seriously. If He really is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to the Father, His resurrection would verify those claims. And we must stare face-to-face with the objective fact that this man claimed to be God and rose from the dead to prove it. We are left with no other choice. If Christianity's claim to the resurrection is right, EVERY OTHER RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS WRONG. There can be no talk of "everybody just says the same things differently" in regards to religion. To the Muslim, God is only one and to equate Christ with Allah is shirk. To the Jew, Jesus is not the Messiah. To some Buddhists and Hindus, there isn't even such thing as a personal creator God. So the point remains this: if Christ has risen, YOU are faced with a choice. Accept Him for who He is or reject Him. It is black and white. The results one way or the other are spelled out clearly in Scripture.
  5. How sweet of you. The name calling is juvenile to say the least. Please feel free to contribute to the conversation at hand or keep your childish comments to yourself. Thanks. Why thank you. I'll say and do what I damn well please. I don't answer to you, nor am I afraid of Christian "repercussions" You may not answer to me...but at least be civil. Unless something that I have to say strikes a deeper nerve with you? Is that why you think I'm full of it? Decide for yourself.
  6. How sweet of you. The name calling is juvenile to say the least. Please feel free to contribute to the conversation at hand or keep your childish comments to yourself. Thanks.
  7. I was really surprized when I started reading archeology books and magazines. So many of the tombs of ancient Egypt and other areas don't have a body. The mystery of the empty sarcophogus seemed so simple. Maybe it wasn't used. Maybe robbers broke in and stole the body. But still, there it is. The tomb is empty. Point taken. But why are these tombs empty? Are there resurrection claims around them or are there incidences of tomb robbery (which are very high in Egypt). The fact is, Jesus' tomb was empty EVEN THOUGH ENEMIES TRIED TO FABRICATE STORIES TO THE CONTRARY THEY COULD NOT. That is the point about Jesus. Not only was the tomb empty, but people were proclaiming Him as the risen Messiah. This is what makes Jesus' empty tomb unique. The fact that genocides have occurred throughout history does not downplay the significance of the Holocaust does it? Likewise, other empty tombs do not denigrate the significance of Jesus' empty tomb because of the significance that the resurrection plays in Christian belief. Without the resurrection, Christianity falls. Plain and simple. The hard truth is that a body could not be produced by Christianity's enemies even when they wanted to do so. Given an empty tomb and numerous eyewitness accounts of the risen Christ, inference to the best explanation is that Jesus rose from the dead. Until a better explanation can be given to explain the empty tomb, the resurrection appearances and the radical conversion of Jews who were not looking for a dying and rising Messiah to a band of people who staked their lives on this very radical claim in the face of Judaism that rejected it wholly, the resurrection as it stands in Christian orthodoxy must logically be given a hearing. To do otherwise, in the face of the historical evidence would be illogical. :-) Have a nice day.
  8. Its been a while since I've posted on this site, so I want to state my reasons for remaining a Christian in response to Anterlman's broad overarching question of this thread. Why do I remain a Christian? The question itself suggests willing ignorance on my part in the form of blind fideism. Christianity is not blind faith. It does take faith, but Christianity is also something that can be intellectually pursued, if done correctly. So the question then becomes, Why AM I a Christian? For me, the reason I am a Christian is because of the historical fact of the empty tomb of Jesus Christ. All four Gospel narratives claim that Jesus was risen from the dead. Even the Jewish authorities recognized that the tomb was empty. There are only a few possible explnanations for this phenomena. One: the disciples stole the body. What makes this higly unlikely is the fact that the Jewish authorities posted guards at the tomb, guards whose job it was to guard this tomb with their lives. Scared Jewish fishermen would be in no form to fight these men to physically remove the body from the tomb. So it makes it highly improbable that this is a solution to the problem that Jesus' body was missing. Second: the tomb was the wrong one. Given that the tomb where Jesus' body lay was public knowledge, it would only have taken a correction of this location to refute the claim that Jesus had risen from the dead. What other alternative do we have? Inference to the best explanation shows us that if the body is missing from the tomb, it cannot be found by people who are trying to refute the resurrection and the location of the tomb was well-known, we must give some credence to the apostolic claim of the resurrection. This event, unlike any other major non-Christian world religion, is grounded in history. There has been no sound proof given to show that Jesus did not in fact rise from the dead. Given the miraculous claims of this statement, we do have to take it on faith. BUT this faith is not without its evidence. Much ink has been spilled defending the reliability of the Gospels and the NT as a whole, so I will not do that here. In my fairly well read opinion, the arguments in favor of the reliability of the Gospels greatly outweigh those in opposition, so we can take the accounts at face value. That leaves us in an awkward position. If Christ did in fact rise, His claims are true. So you must make that decision. What do I do with this man who lived in Israel over 2000 years ago? If He is risen, Christianity is right, all other religions are wrong. You must then decide for yourself how you will deal with this. Will you accept Him for who He is? Or will you reject Christ and bear the burden of the negative repercussions that are to follow? Why am I a Christian? The tomb is empty.
  9. I saw your thread "Ask me a question." It has kind of gone off on its own. I have a question. If you were to explain to someone how to become a Christian, what would you explain?

  10. Forgive me here if I don't quite follow your line of thinking? I'm trying to understand what point you are making in regards to God's existence. Can you rephrase what you've said above? Is what you are arguing for is some kind of pantheism or panentheism? Please feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood you. Thanks, Caleb
  11. "The heavens declare the glory of God, the firmament showeth his handiwork," etc Surely you can muster a thought of your own? When I was a student of the Bible I had plenty to say - as a fundamentalist. I guess maybe that's why I'm not one now? I used my own mind? By all means then... This will keep you pure: P.S. Moving topic to Lion's Den. The Colosseum is reserved for serious discussion. Hiding behind the Bible is not engaging in serious discussion. Antlerman, In this you act as though all I have done for my answers is slap some Bible verses up and walk away. I think I have done more than that. The fact that I make reference to Scripture is not hiding behind it. If I write a book and quote no sources, its called plaigiarism. Why should I be disallowed from quoting my source in these arguments? I am able to think for myself and feel. I am not some mindless robot here. None of the topics at hand have asked for my personal feelings on any subject, nor has anyone asked for my testimony. The nature of my responses are intended to be discussions of substance (I know many of you will argue I have no substance...go ahead and do it :-) ). As such my feelings do not factor into the picture. I can appeal to you on an emotional level, but with many people on here, that might not work, so I refrain. I hope you understand my case now. - Caleb
  12. Okay so you want me to focus on the problem of evil right? That seems to be the one question that is looming in the air. The problem of evil is the problem of fallen human nature. From Genesis 1 and following it is evident that God created the earth and everything in it and saw that it was good. Adam and Eve were created without a sin nature, but were given the ability to choose to obey God. God lays out the one command in Genesis 2:16-17 that Adam can eat from ANY tree in the garden except for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The penalty for disobedience was death. Given that popular opinion around here is that God is a big killjoy, read that passage in Genesis again. He gives Adam EVERYTHING in the garden, either for food or to rule over the Creation (see Genesis 1:26-28). Then to top it off, God created woman and gave Eve to Adam. So here at this point of the story, Adam has everything he needs. God has only limited one thing, but has given Adam the rest of the world. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. But then things change. Adam and Eve allow God's command to be distorted and decide to take and eat from the tree of good and evil. As a result, human nature from here on out is corrupted and changed. Death is now a reality for human, beings. Humanity begins to fall further and further away from God until in Genesis 6, man has become thoroughly evil. It bears quoting here: Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5 What we see from Genesis is that God created mankind good and mankind spurned its relationship with God and as a result, evil came into the world. Evil is not created by God, it is a result of man's willful disobedience against the Lord. That leads to the next logical question. If God didn't create evil in the world, why does He allow it? Why does an all-loving God allow little children in Africa to starve and why does God allow war and all this evil? Why doesn't He just change it all? These questions are good questions. To pretend that there is not evil in this world is to close your eyes to reality. Opinion in this forum may be that I am some kind of unfeeling robot who just recites Bible verses and leaves it at that, but that would be the furthest thing from the truth. I am acutely aware of the problem of pain and evil in this world and this question is one that even I struggle with at times. Many times we wish that God would just snap His fingers and fix everything. In our limited knowledge, this seems like the best answer. But if there is a God who is omnipotent and omniscient, there may be reasons that He allows these things to happen. One thing I think of is that faith in Christ often flourishes when life is at its bleakest. Here in the USA we live in opulence, even in the midst of recession, and this can lead us to take the things of this world for granted. We often forget how blessed we are and so we feel entitled to the things we have. But the vast majority of the world does not live like we do. When life is a day to day struggle, you are more aware of the fact that everything you have comes from God. On another note we cannot overlook the fact that problems like human hunger are things we could do much to fix if we weren't so selfish. Another problem with evil is that we covet and do not try to share. If the industrialized countries of the world (USA, Europe and others) really WANTED to stop the global hunger problem, they could probably do it. But human corruption and selfishness keeps this from being a reality. And so the poor starve while we live in comfort. That is not God's fault, that is human sinfulness at its worst. The problem of evil lies squarely on man, not God. - Caleb
  13. Not me. My background was both liberal and secular. Even the slightest inkling of apologetics as a kid shut my attention off. So, feel free to address my questions with the standard apologetics, Caleb. It's mostly new to me, and I learn this sort of thing pretty well through conversation. I'm really hoping to understand Gen ch. 1 to a level I can move past it and get on with reading the rest of the Bible. Any progress on the questions I asked yet? Edit: Just read Davka's suggestionfor us to focus on one question at a time. That makes sense, and since consensus is moving in that direction, please us PM for any help on my reading, or you can answer in my thread (also in the Colloseum). Best, Phanta Phanta, Given the nature of the direction that this thread has taken, please PM me any specific questions that might arise from your reading of Genesis. I'm going to try to focus on this one burning question that Davka and the others are so intent on me to answer.
  14. He won't answer. He can't. Because there is no such evidence - it's all fantasy. Well this loads the question with so much baggage, that according to your definition, I cannot but admit my abject failure and reject my faith. Or maybe not. Let me turn the tables on this question. If God is supernatural, a being who exists outside of nature and at times interacts with His creation (as Christianity claims with miracles, the incarnation and resurrection) what verifiable and repeatable evidence would the methodological naturalist take as proof even if some was offered? Probably nothing. The desire for repeatable and verifiable proof automatically discards anything that doesn't fit into that category. So lets throw out philosophy, morals, politics and history since none of these things are repeatable and verifiable by science. To the naturalist, science is god. Proof, even if it came in the form of a man, would be downgraded or ignored altogther. The proof is in the person of Jesus Christ. You want God? Look at Him. He's there on the pages of history, hanging from a cross for all to see. There is the proof. But it's not a neat, tidy laboratory result, rather it is a bloody, beaten man dying for your sins. As usual. comments are welcome. in Christ, Caleb McCreary
  15. OK, I just have to interject here - What a condescending piece of shite you have turned out to be. "If you truly understood . . ." Where do you get off telling any of us what we truly understand or do not understand??? I spent 20 years of my life as a born-again, tongues-speaking, Bible-believing on-fire-for-God Christian. I studied Christian orthodoxy until it came out my ears. I moved to Israel because "god" told me to. I was exactly where you are today - but not so F-ing arrogant. Some of us here have been Pastors of Evangelical congregations. Some have been theology majors at fundamentalist universities. Nearly ALL of us studied the Bible extensively, looking for the deepest truth of Christ that we could find. You have NO RIGHT to judge us, you - - - - - I restrain myself. Shut your pathetic little mouth about things of which you are utterly ignorant. Got it? Good. Davka please stop with the name-calling. It is petty and shows a lack of respect. My statement is not one of arrogance, its called rhetoric. I make no claims to what any of you know, but most all of you are ex-Christians, so I thought my statement would be self-evident to people who once believed Scripture. To talk of God without using Scripture is near impossible, as orthodox Christianity holds to. I have tried through all my posts to use language that is respectful, while still disagreeing with some of the views presented here. And I may have missed it, but I have not leveled judgments at any of you, unless my plain explanations of what Scripture says are condemning in and of themselves. You be the judge of that. I appreciate the civility that many of you have shown to me here and I hope that we can continue to talk more in the future. If I have turned some of you off to what I am saying, then that is how it happens sometimes. Feel free to lambast me some more, if you wish. Forgive me if I don't return the favor. - Caleb
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